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[Apfelweinbrauer]

spacehamsterZH wrote...
To say ME3 shows a complete lack of
respect for the entire Mass Effect universe or its fans is just
ridiculous.

Really? They did an ending which pretty much nullyfied all your actions throughout the entire trilogy, is full of obvious plotholes and contradicts the whole ME series.

Plus, this piece of crap was simply taken from Deus Ex and hammered into the game. To provide "three" endings, they just took the one ending they had, applied minimal changes to it and made 2 insultingly lazy palette swaps of it.

This is not a lack of respect, it's simply a slap in the face of their customers.

[TomY90]

I agree with you that the game was extremely well thought out except for the ending which just left more question marks than answers and did not give any form of closure throughout.

I hope Bioware fixes the end so we can focus on all the good aspects and be able to tell you the other negatives (like the side missions and the lack of dialogue) but above all else tell you all the positive like the gameplay and story.

[betd2]

Hexley UK wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Assets don't matter.

Choices don't matter.

Continuity doesn't matter.

Our characters don't matter.

The time we spent with them doesn't matter.

Our relations don't matter.

We were lied to numerous times in their interviews. We are not being unfair.

+1

+2

[Apfelweinbrauer]

Really? They did an ending which pretty much nullyfied all your actions throughout the entire trilogy, is full of obvious plotholes and contradicts the whole ME series.

Plus, this piece of crap was simply taken from Deus Ex and hammered into the game. To provide "three" endings, they just took the one ending they had, applied minimal changes to it and made 2 insultingly lazy palette swaps of it.

This is not a lack of respect, it's simply a slap in the face of their customers.

[zarnk567]

betd2 wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Assets don't matter.

Choices don't matter.

Continuity doesn't matter.

Our characters don't matter.

The time we spent with them doesn't matter.

Our relations don't matter.

We were lied to numerous times in their interviews. We are not being unfair.

+1

+2

+3

[Talogrungi]

'ello, OP.

There's a post on the forums that details all the pre-launch developer quotes, and how innacurate/misleading they turned out to be.

Should you truly feel that the ending isn't disrespectful to the fanbase I would recommend that you read this thread in the context of the ending that we were given and re-evaluate your opinion from the POV of the fans that listened to (and trusted) the developers to fulfill the promises that they made.

Thanks for your time.

[Bourne Endeavor]

The problem is the endings created a potentially permanent stigma on the franchise.

- When I first played Mass Effect, Tali would talk my head off about the Flotilla and Quarian history. In ME2 I actually was able to see a portion of this for myself and talk more about Tali's homeworld. ME3 finally allowed me to help her reclaim it.

- Wrex spoke of the Genophage, what was happening to his species and gave an intriguing light to a once perceived barbaric species. I would listen to other races speak ill of the Krogan, yet Wrex was here, refuting those claims. ME2 and ME3 only demonstrated further how his leadership would change the Krogan as a whole.

- Mordin's "humanity" is arguably one of the most beautiful scenes in ME3. His deliverance of "I made a mistake!" was something we never witnessed in ME2 and a line that will stay with you. He truly believed in the Genophage but regretted his choice over time because of the fatalism tendencies and desperation the Krogan adopted. He sacrificed his life to save them.

Those events as they carry on throughout the trilogy were wonderful in their own way. Alas, they will not be my first thought when I revisit this franchise. Tali seeing her homeworld, Wrex rebuilding the Krogan, Mordin curing the genophage - they all become secondary because in ten minutes their relevance was rendered meaningless. What did everything I do for them accomplish; a fleeting happiness they now will never know or have again?

Tali will never see Rannoch again
Wrex will never rebuild the Krogan to glory
Mordin's sacrifice was in vain.

My friends and their plight ultimately meant nothing. Forgive me if that puts a damper on the series. In fact, in a weird way, typing this was hard because it really does settle in the reality. Who would have imagined ten minutes could be so destructive?

[spacehamsterZH]

Talogrungi wrote...

Should you truly feel that the ending isn't disrespectful to the fanbase

I didn't say that. I said the game as a whole isn't. Of course the ending is a disaster. And I remember the promises. I was here when they were made. But acting like the other 30+ hours of ME3 don't exist is silly, and taints those complaints that are actually justified.

[ahandsomeshark]

Geth_Huntha wrote...

I'm starting to think the endings are just a sign that they were rushed. Plenty of bad games were made because of time constraints forcing a developer to release an unpolished/poorly designed/badly written game. It just sucks that it had to happen to the end of this awesome trilogy. At least the first 95% of this game is amazing.

agreed. So it's more of EA disrespecting the whole franchise.

glad we talked this out.

[Al Fifino]

Well, you always have some guys who cry out and say some stuff about not being respected or treated well or even treated the way they should have been. Problem is that respect has to be earned, and although probably everyone was more than just pleased with the game up to the endings, those endings also took away most of the respect the community had for BW, considering the promises they gave the players about how and in which ways ME3 will end.

I think it is honorable that BW now wants to "clear the end up" or at least give us some ideas of what they're up to (after about 2 weeks of nothing, though...) in April. But still you have to understand that even if something is really great or truly epic in the beginning, it doesn't mean anything at all if it ends in a way no one (or only few) can understand or relate to. I already read it here somewhere: ME3 will be remembered because of its ending(s), not because of its really great gameplay or the epic story.

About being disrespecting per se: I guess BioWare was trying to bring us something epic, but it backfired. Hard. I do not think they wanted to disrespect anyone or anything at all, but nevertheless, in my opinion they did. (Mostly the players, really.) But that's, of course, debatable. As is almost everything else regarding the ends.

[kkndgr]

Actually the assets the only thing they do is to become the bait for the reapers so Shepard has enough time to go up the beam find that stupid god child and blow up the galaxy killing everybody as well on top of that despite the massive explosion that kills the galaxy Shepard manages to.survive at the 3 other members of normady appearing in the cutscene that.Even in the art world.this cpuldnot happens .
Well maybe sheppard is related to chuck Norris lol

[ahandsomeshark]

spacehamsterZH wrote...

Talogrungi wrote...

Should you truly feel that the ending isn't disrespectful to the fanbase

I didn't say that. I said the game as a whole isn't. Of course the ending is a disaster. And I remember the promises. I was here when they were made. But acting like the other 30+ hours of ME3 don't exist is silly, and taints those complaints that are actually justified.

the problem is the other 30 hours of ME3 kind of points to the same rushed feeling. Broken journal, lack of dialogue interaction with squad mates and NPC's, lack of hub worlds, lack of side missions after the first 1/3rd of the game. Repetitive game play mechanics (go here fix this shoot guys). the fact that even doing every side mission it's still only about 30 hours of game play. Randomely dropped story-lines and minor characters. And depending on where you decide the issues with the endings starts there's also the lack of choices in the final level and lack of war assets playing any role.

The ending just sort of takes all these issues and says "in case you didn't get the hint let's beat you over the head with it until you cry blood". 

Modifié par ahandsomeshark, 24 mars 2012 - 04:00 .

[jb1983]

spacehamsterZH wrote...

So, basically, you're entirely ignoring everything I said except for the thread title so that you can complain s'more.

Looks like the Bioware ComplainBoard is finally back to normal. We were actually having reasonable complaints there for a while. lol.

No. Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I'm ignoring you. 

I explained how the endings actually ruin the franchise. Disagreement ≠ Ignoring.

[jb1983]

spacehamsterZH wrote...

Talogrungi wrote...

Should you truly feel that the ending isn't disrespectful to the fanbase

I didn't say that. I said the game as a whole isn't. Of course the ending is a disaster. And I remember the promises. I was here when they were made. But acting like the other 30+ hours of ME3 don't exist is silly, and taints those complaints that are actually justified.

Try driving a car with three wheels and see how far you get.

Sometimes it's not the quantity of a part, but it's utility. The ending is one of the most important aspects to a story - a bad ending can ruin the entire story.

[Talogrungi]

spacehamsterZH wrote...

Talogrungi wrote...

Should you truly feel that the ending isn't disrespectful to the fanbase

I didn't say that. I said the game as a whole isn't. Of course the ending is a disaster. And I remember the promises. I was here when they were made. But acting like the other 30+ hours of ME3 don't exist is silly, and taints those complaints that are actually justified.

You might want to look at that thread title again 'cos you kinda did say that. Exactly that.

While I would agree with you that the rest of the game is a masterpiece (one of the best games I've played lately) the ending is the keystone of the story arc, and the promises we were given about the ending are the keystone for the disappointment of the fanbase.

It's very difficult to interpret us being lied to as anything other than disrespectful.

[whizwart]

Thank you, OP, thank you.

[spacehamsterZH]

jb1983 wrote...

No. Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I'm ignoring you.

You're ignoring my argument and just shouting over it. The conclusions to the various subplots were, on the whole, handled well and with respect to what had gone before. There are problems - Legion acting independently from the get-go is my biggest complaint there - but generally, it's good. Nobody's addressing that.

[D1ck1e]

I shouldn't be feeling angry from a frustrating ending. I'm left with lack of closure/comprehension through logic, so I can't feel happy or sad about it.

It's a jack-ass ending. I find it disrespectfull when someone is being a jack-ass to me out of nowhere.

Modifié par D1ck1e, 24 mars 2012 - 04:26 .

[Skyblade012]

Geth_Huntha wrote...

I'm starting to think the endings are just a sign that they were rushed. Plenty of bad games were made because of time constraints forcing a developer to release an unpolished/poorly designed/badly written game. It just sucks that it had to happen to the end of this awesome trilogy. At least the first 95% of this game is amazing.

Bull.  That ending was rushed, yes, but there was no way writing that deus ex machina took less time and resources than just "The Crucible fires, Reapers blow up, yay".  They had a logical and complete conclusion the game was building up to.  They threw it all away to make something completely different.  That's not "rushed", it's just bad writing.

[spacehamsterZH]

Talogrungi wrote...

You might want to look at that thread title again 'cos you kinda did say that. Exactly that.

I also said I wish people would read more than just the thread title before they post the same stuff that's been posted on here a bajillion times since the game came out.

I'm not disagreeing that the ending (and I refuse to use the plural here, for obvious reasons) is garbage and p!$$es all over the ME story - my favorite moment in the franchise is still that first encounter with Sovereign, and every word of that dialogue has effectively been nullified. Don't think I'm not aware of that. I'm also not disagreeing that the ending is an extremely important part of a story that can have a potentially devastating effect. For example, brokering peace between the Quarians and the Geth was something I felt strongly about, but after the ending - what was the point? All this is true, and I don't see how it's up for debate, really, it's pretty self-evident. But it's just as self-evident that the rest of the game is full of signs that the writers do respect what has gone before and constantly reference it in often fantastic ways. We can argue about whether or not the ending outweighs that in terms of the overall quality of the game, but if we just ignore it, we're making ourselves look like exactly the frothing-at-the-mouth mob of internet complainers that IGN says we are.

[Doppelgaenger]

Even some video game journalists agree (http://www.shamusyou...edtale/?p=15395) [he works for the escapist and has written as much there too but his blog is much clearer on this part]: "The ending has RUINED this series FOREVER!" and The Californian Literary review said: "The gestalt of Mass Effect 3 is an end unjustified by its means, unworthy of defense. During its final moments it commits storytelling suicide, and the taste of decay it leaves in the mouth cripples the otherwise impeccable quality of what came before, poisoning even nostalgia against it." (http://calitreview.com/24673)

People are UNABLE to replay even other titles of the series and you want me to belief they respected what they did there? It has been called "OBJECTIVELY BAD" (http://calitreview.com/24673) and rightfully so. If the indoc theory is not true and they truly wanted this end "they are fools and we should eat them." (metaphorically speaking with Wrex words here)

[GorrilaKing]

Doppelgaenger wrote...

Even some video game journalists agree (http://www.shamusyou...edtale/?p=15395) [he works for the escapist and has written as much there too but his blog is much clearer on this part]: "The ending has RUINED this series FOREVER!" and The Californian Literary review said: "The gestalt of Mass Effect 3 is an end unjustified by its means, unworthy of defense. During its final moments it commits storytelling suicide, and the taste of decay it leaves in the mouth cripples the otherwise impeccable quality of what came before, poisoning even nostalgia against it." (http://calitreview.com/24673)

People are UNABLE to replay even other titles of the series and you want me to belief they respected what they did there? It has been called "OBJECTIVELY BAD" (http://calitreview.com/24673) and rightfully so. If the indoc theory is not true and they truly wanted this end "they are fools and we should eat them." (metaphorically speaking with Wrex words here)

+1
Except for the eating. I doubt I could stomach Hudson...

[crimzontearz]

even if the endings alone were not a sign of disrespect to the fans the broken promises and their reaction to our discontent AND the fact they plan to do virtually nothing about it surely are

[Jackal7713]

Aesieru wrote...

Assets don't matter.

Choices don't matter.

Continuity doesn't matter.

Our characters don't matter.

The time we spent with them doesn't matter.

Our relations don't matter.

We were lied to numerous times in their interviews. We are not being unfair.

THIS!

[Skyblade012]

GorrilaKing wrote...

Doppelgaenger wrote...

Even some video game journalists agree (http://www.shamusyou...edtale/?p=15395) [he works for the escapist and has written as much there too but his blog is much clearer on this part]: "The ending has RUINED this series FOREVER!" and The Californian Literary review said: "The gestalt of Mass Effect 3 is an end unjustified by its means, unworthy of defense. During its final moments it commits storytelling suicide, and the taste of decay it leaves in the mouth cripples the otherwise impeccable quality of what came before, poisoning even nostalgia against it." (http://calitreview.com/24673)

People are UNABLE to replay even other titles of the series and you want me to belief they respected what they did there? It has been called "OBJECTIVELY BAD" (http://calitreview.com/24673) and rightfully so. If the indoc theory is not true and they truly wanted this end "they are fools and we should eat them." (metaphorically speaking with Wrex words here)

+1
Except for the eating. I doubt I could stomach Hudson...

"Anyone who supports this ending is either stupid, or working for EA.  Upsetting the latter is business, upsetting the former is a favor to the universe."