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[Tyrzun]

flatifm wrote...

 If indoctrination theory is true, surviving in red ending makes sense.

But if indoctrination theory isn't true, that doen't make any sence.

How could shepard wakes up in the piles of rubbles?

Anyone knows reasonable casue about this?

It's killing me.

OP many of us have explained in  detail what is happening.

How Bioware made it very clear that you were not "awake" after Harbinger knocked you out.  You don't have your armor on anymore and you have a pistol with infinite ammo.  It's sad that the average horror fan GETS IT when watching a Nightmare on Elmstreet movie, but soo many of these ME 3 people don't.

However, people refuse to accept they are the problem, so they refuse our explanation.  The reason is they didn't come to the boards in the first place to understand what is happening, they came here to vent and rage.  IF they admit they didn't understand then they were the original problem and their purpose here or the "justification" of their rage is gone.

My problem with Bioware remains and I get the endings.  Shep resists he wakes up.  I still demand my 16 endings and tying up all loose ends.  Finish ME3 all the way!  

Modifié par Tyrzun, 24 mars 2012 - 06:43 .

[Tyrzun]

Zkyire wrote...

flatifm wrote...

 If indoctrination theory is true, surviving in red ending makes sense.

But if indoctrination theory isn't true, that doen't make any sence.

How could shepard wakes up in the piles of rubbles?

Anyone knows reasonable casue about this?

It's killing me.

Control and Synthesis absorbed his body.

Destroy was a tube blowing up, which may not have killed him.

Really?  He's in casual clothers in space with no helmet on and he survived the explosion?  The explostion that would have destroyed the earth, and the pieces of the citadel would have showered the earth doing more damage than nuclear explosions....  Oh he still has his pistol with infinite ammo too, and then he falls through earths atmosphere with no armor on and no helmet and doesn't burn up, then he hits the earth at over 130 mph minimum speed still with no armor on and no helment, and then he wakes back up with his armor on?  You are seriously trying to say that makes sense?

Or is it far more likely.  He resists instant indoctrination from Harbinger after he was CLEARLY knocked out, and then he wakes up right where he fell?  

Modifié par Tyrzun, 24 mars 2012 - 06:44 .

[Shallyah]

Elorin Silverblade wrote...

pharsti wrote...

Its simple really, they know some people want Shepard to survive, so they use a bad thing to balance it.
"So, you want to live eh? Well then, kill the Geth and EDI and its done!"

If not for that, everyone would choose that choice without even thinking.

I'm thinking this as well.

Except that killing the Geth isn't a bad thing. Killing them AND the Reapers with a single button is double win. At worst, the Geth can just be recreated, it hardly feels like any price to pay.

Besides, who says EDI will actually die? The child also says that Shepard will die and that is obviously not the case.

You're assassinating EDI with every ending anyway. EDI is the Normandy's integrated AI, so guess what will happen to her when the Normandy runs out of power in whatever's that stone-age planet they crash on.

Modifié par Shallyah, 24 mars 2012 - 06:47 .

[Tiercel24]

This is the "uplifting" ending. You are supposed to headcanon that Shep survives I guess. But anytime I try to space magic comes and blows my head off.

[DuncanId]

Vigil_N7 wrote...

Its actually Vega, who will be the main protagonist in the new Mass Effect anime. The part of him breathing is build-up to the anime itself.

Shepard is dead folks, game over, critical mission failure.

If it's Vega, why he has a N7 dogtag? And why he has boobs? And why the video file is called 'End03 Shepard Alive Fem.bik'? If you played with a femshep.

If it's someone else, then there's no point in making the videos gender dependent...

[Sheffstar007]

So why does sheppard survive at end of the destroyed choice, that still doesn't make sense. Can bio ware please respond and give us answer

[Silpheed58]

- I watched Shepard get hit with a blast that punched holes in star-ships, no shielding like a rock jutting up, partial cover from a wrecked vehicle nothing. Yet he got up afterward.

- In the 2nd game I saw him spaced and then he returned. "They killed you and all it did was ****** you off."

-Outside of ME I saw Master Chief survive re-entry.
-etc

[Biotic Flash Kick]

because of the trade off
shep lives geth and edi die
Do you care enough about shepard that you would sacrifice edi and the geth?

control shep no longer exists but the reapers stop harvesting civilizations
And shepard is basically a protocol that the reapers follow

dont even want to get into synthesis

and refusal

to me
Refusal and Destroy [HIGH EMS] seem to be the only real options because we end our way or we hope the battle is still going on

[Alespace]

First of all, if the total destruction of synthetics (Reapers, Geth and EDI) are choosed the cycle CONTINUES. Like the catalist said the peace won't last, even if Shepard supposed wake up froma "dream".
Two if you guys paid attention on the Synthesis ending, Shepard body isn't atomised, but had been turned into something similar to Cerberus Soldiers, i.e.: a mix of Husk and Human. So it's a bit of an error to think that Shepard couldn't survive the Synthesis ending.

Also have you guys noticed where the Crucible beam is stored shortly before firing? Just above the Council room where we defeated Saren and Sovering in Mass Effect 1, and as we know that place is directly connected to the Precidium lake, so with enough speed from the fall, Shepard's body can end up, there. A rare chance of it happening but its possible and could explain Shepard not awaking as He/She could possible drown there. Another possibility is that Shepard body is floating around in the outer space from the fall into the Crucible beam, or just have been sent through out numerous arrays and its floating somewhere in outer space.

But anyway the only way that I see that our character can continue his/her adventures after at last finishing the Synthesis ending is to be a mix of Husk/Human. The destruction ending will have Joker pissed off at you for killing his girlfriend. Also expect the Quarians to be annoyed for the huge step back from the Geth's death, if not downright killed by having geth AI on their suits.

The only possible chance of you returning after the Reaper Control ending where Shepard old body is indeed atomized is to return in that Human reaper, since there was at last a million organics bodies on the citatel when the Game ended, so there would be enough organic material to rebuild it.

Anyway I do think that the Synthesis ending is flawed with Shepard not surviving as there is enough possibilities for Shepard to do so in that ending

[KingZayd]

The cycle cannot continue. The cycle is that of Reapers harvesting humans.
If Synthetics were to wipe out Organics, there would be no cycle, as there would only be Synthetics.. forever.

[Kanaris]

The funny thing about that starbrat and his organics create synthetics and then eventually fight each other is the fact that it's flawed as the Quariian and Geth now living, working, and fighting together negates that as fact.

EDI is also an example she is a Synthetic IN LOVE with a Human

Modifié par Kanaris, 08 novembre 2012 - 10:43 .

[Alespace]

The Catalyst said that the peace wouldn't last as future generations would build synthetics again, and that's the truth. On Synthesis we gave organics the upper limits and capabilities that syntheics posses. Not to mention somesort of artificial telepathy, as the organics would be able to transmit their thoughts through radio waves like the Geth does. So if only organics are left the cycle of chaos will continue as well as the war between organics and synthetics, which in turn will ressurect/rebuild/re-create the reapers, as the Catalist had said it has been tryed and failed unless everyone could accept the decision, and for those that followed the paragon path, a decision made by a paragon warrior is second only to an angel and god/supreme being creator of the universe

[Kanaris]

The problem I had the most was the leap in logic with regards to the reapers "motives" we are killing you to save you...........WTF

[nrcrane]

I don't have a link but a few months back there was an Interview, I think it was Comic Con or E3, one of the game developers said something along the lines that Shepard was originally planned to be killed off in all 3 endings, but they felt it was too bleak so they just kind of added in that breath scene as a way to throw a bone to the fans who wanted Shepard to live.

Nothing deep or impressive behind the scene. Shepard living was pretty much just an after thought.

Modifié par nrcrane, 08 novembre 2012 - 11:03 .

[SmellyMetal]

Sheffstar007 wrote...

So why does sheppard survive at end of the destroyed choice, that still doesn't make sense. Can bio ware please respond and give us answer

They will never answer because they don't know themselves...it's pretty clear...saying "we let people make their own stories" "lots of speculation from everyone" is kinda lame if you ask me!

[Alespace]

Kanaris think the Reapes as somesort of twisted Noe's Ark, where the wisdom is saved, but all organic matter is converted, into a freaking alien Frankstein. The organic cells become the neval system/life of the reaper, while the Reaper power core deals with the space travel and wepons.

[Alespace]

Have you guys stopped to think that Shepard may not be on Earth but in Ilos in the scenes where he/she survive?

[Kanaris]

Alespace wrote...

Kanaris think the Reapes as somesort of twisted Noe's Ark, where the wisdom is saved, but all organic matter is converted, into a freaking alien Frankstein. The organic cells become the neval system/life of the reaper, while the Reaper power core deals with the space travel and wepons.

Interesting way of looking at it kinda creepy but interesting I still think the logic behind the reapers is flawed but I see your point

[Alespace]

Think guys where is the only place where Shepard could endup that it's a place for him/her to survie?

The Citatel has a mini mass relay that connect it straight to Ilos, a M-class planet that only has debris of the Prophean civilization. So when the crucible fired and my thinking is right and Shepard somehaow endup in the Presidium, He/She could very well be thrown into Ilows through that mini mass array

[Kanaris]

The only problem is they never said if the conduit works both ways Ilos to Citadel and Citadel to Ilos

Modifié par Kanaris, 08 novembre 2012 - 11:11 .

[Sajuro]

Kanaris wrote...

The only problem is they never said if the conduit works both ways Ilos to Citadel and Citadel to Ilos

They said it was a one way trip I think

[Alespace]

they did on Mass Effect 1, but it could have been alterated during the events pre-mass effect 2 and mass effect 2 as the coucil told Shepard that they didn't found Virgil the Prophean VI. And the war with the Geth or whoever controled that sector of the galaxy only ended during Mass Effect 3 events; so the ony way for them to go there undetected in such short notice was through that mini mass relay

[Banul]

Because he disintegrates in the other endings.

[clarkusdarkus]

Look i know we messed up and killed off our hero of a trilogy pretty stupid.......but can you buy our dlc please so you can add to that nonsense.

[Alespace]

not on synthesis. I paid attention to the scenes. Shepard body is converted into a mix of synthetic and organic, but the scene is cut before any evidence of its desintegration occurs, so Shepards new body is either floating around near whats left of the citatel or its somewhere else as his/her body picked a ride through the energy beam and tha mass relays