Apparently this thread also survived the red ending.
why does Shepard survive only in red ending?
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Posté 08 novembre 2012 - 11:41
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because the endings are really stupid
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Posté 08 novembre 2012 - 11:42
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Flawed more like it. Perhaps they will explain it on Mass Effect 4
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Posté 08 novembre 2012 - 11:43
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SmellyMetal wrote...
Sheffstar007 wrote...
So why does sheppard survive at end of the destroyed choice, that still doesn't make sense. Can bio ware please respond and give us answer
They will never answer because they don't know themselves...it's pretty clear...saying "we let people make their own stories" "lots of speculation from everyone" is kinda lame if you ask me!
I am pretty sure they gave an answer to why they put the breath scene in the game during one of their panels. It was to give players who did everything, scraped the galaxy for everything, a sense of hope that maybe shepard lived.
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Posté 08 novembre 2012 - 11:43
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I have to agree with this reasoning.FlamingBoy wrote...
because the endings are really stupid
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Posté 08 novembre 2012 - 11:44
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And perhaps we may be able to finally see Shepard's mother on Mass Effect 4, even play as her, since they might said commander Shepard is dead period, so the only shepard that still alive is the commander's mother
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Posté 08 novembre 2012 - 11:53
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That idea sounds simply awful.Alespace wrote...
And perhaps we may be able to finally see Shepard's mother on Mass Effect 4, even play as her, since they might said commander Shepard is dead period, so the only shepard that still alive is the commander's mother
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#83
Posté 08 novembre 2012 - 11:54
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The sad truth is that there is no answer to your question. It's a complete and utter mess, there's no logic to be found in the ending.flatifm wrote...
How could shepard wakes up in the piles of rubbles?
Anyone knows reasonable casue about this?
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Posté 09 novembre 2012 - 12:05
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Ithurael wrote...
SmellyMetal wrote...
Sheffstar007 wrote...
So why does sheppard survive at end of the destroyed choice, that still doesn't make sense. Can bio ware please respond and give us answer
They will never answer because they don't know themselves...it's pretty clear...saying "we let people make their own stories" "lots of speculation from everyone" is kinda lame if you ask me!
I am pretty sure they gave an answer to why they put the breath scene in the game during one of their panels. It was to give players who did everything, scraped the galaxy for everything, a sense of hope that maybe shepard lived.
And played MP, don´t forget that.<_<
My guess? A wrong idea of the messianic archetype. The hero sacrifices so others live and all that. Fine when it´s done properly and fits with the tone of the story. But come on, organic energy? How did that get approved?
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Posté 09 novembre 2012 - 12:06
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flatifm wrote...
If indoctrination theory is true, surviving in red ending makes sense.
But if indoctrination theory isn't true, that doen't make any sence.
How could shepard wakes up in the piles of rubbles?
Anyone knows reasonable casue about this?
It's killing me.
It´s artistic integrity. You couldn´t possibily understand it...
#86
Posté 09 novembre 2012 - 12:08
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Reapers, geths and EDI died? so ?
"kill billion here to save trillion there" -Vakarian
Shep's alive? well, in my imagination even with low EMS, Shep's alive ^^
"kill billion here to save trillion there" -Vakarian
Shep's alive? well, in my imagination even with low EMS, Shep's alive ^^
#87
Posté 09 novembre 2012 - 12:12
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oh god why is there still debate as to whether Shep lived in the situation that had a cutscene specifically designed to show him living?
#88
Posté 09 novembre 2012 - 12:13
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100 % agreed...... or like refusal destroy is another troll end..... you know casey artistic wayRKB28 wrote...
flatifm wrote...
If indoctrination theory is true, surviving in red ending makes sense.
But if indoctrination theory isn't true, that doen't make any sence.
How could shepard wakes up in the piles of rubbles?
Anyone knows reasonable casue about this?
It's killing me.
It´s artistic integrity. You couldn´t possibily understand it...
#89
Posté 09 novembre 2012 - 12:29
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Because if a day passed without a thread talking about how bad the endings were and people saying 'speculation' and 'artistic integrity' BSN would probably cease to existYate wrote...
oh god why is there still debate as to whether Shep lived in the situation that had a cutscene specifically designed to show him living?
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Posté 09 novembre 2012 - 12:35
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I just played through the last part of the game from my save, and choosed red ending. I paid detailed attention to the scenary around Shepard, and if you guys look closer to the first part you'll see a Prophean hibernation capsule there. So I can say that's an evidence that Shepard ended up on Ilos
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Posté 09 novembre 2012 - 12:39
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Well, who said he survived? that could be his last breath =P
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Posté 09 novembre 2012 - 12:40
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when the video from the link above reach 5:24 and you guys puse it at precisly there, you'll also see it.
Sure when you play and see for your selves the quality will be better and you'll see that it is a Prophean hibernation capsule, like those seen on Ilos
#93
Posté 09 novembre 2012 - 12:41
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but at last we got a hint to where Shepard ended up
#94
Posté 09 novembre 2012 - 01:00
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Well, actually, Shepard survives in the Control Ending... But with a new form.
Maybe the Explosion wasn't capable of killing him
In Synthesis it killed him, because he disintegrated
In Refusal... Well, the galaxy was exterminated
Maybe the Explosion wasn't capable of killing him
In Synthesis it killed him, because he disintegrated
In Refusal... Well, the galaxy was exterminated
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Posté 09 novembre 2012 - 01:12
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The sad truth is that there is no answer to your question. It's a complete and utter mess, there's no logic to be found in the ending.
The only logical thing that makes sense is that Shepard never left Earth and everything going on in the ending is not real. All the game's evidence points to this, but it's very subtle and doesn't hit you in the face as being extremely obvious. It's an ending that makes people actually think about it. Not just speculate, but actually think hard about what's going on.
I mean, Shepard couldn't have survived the Citadel explosion and fallen back through Earth's atmosphere and land in London. The fall would have killed him. Not to mention, based on the wind he wouldn't have landed in the same place and would have disintegrated upon entering Earth's atmosphere.
Not to mention lose around 4 litres of blood or more (big stain on the ground when Shepard gets up after being knocked out by Harbinger, hard to miss), and continue on for 30 minutes and talk to an imaginary ghostly child in space without a helmet or any kind of space suit. Followed by all that stuff I said earlier. It just makes sense that the ending is not real.
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Posté 09 novembre 2012 - 01:15
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Not entirely related, but one thing I really hate about the Red Ending?
Destroy wipes out all Synthetics with Reaper code. So the Reapers go, but so do the Geth and EDI. Yet Control, which uses the same mode of application, only controls the Reapers but suddenly, somehow, ignores all Synthetics with Reaper code? Why does Shepard not gain control of them as well? It's the same principle, same device and same mode of application.
I'll tell you why. Because they had to demonise Destroy so people would be strong-armed into picking either of the other two options. If the Geth and EDI weren't (apparently*) killed by the Destroy ending everyone and their Mum would have picked it.
*I'm still not sold with the Starkid. He also said Shep would die if I chose it, but I'm still kicking. And neither the Geth, nor EDI, were entirely based on Reaper code.
Destroy wipes out all Synthetics with Reaper code. So the Reapers go, but so do the Geth and EDI. Yet Control, which uses the same mode of application, only controls the Reapers but suddenly, somehow, ignores all Synthetics with Reaper code? Why does Shepard not gain control of them as well? It's the same principle, same device and same mode of application.
I'll tell you why. Because they had to demonise Destroy so people would be strong-armed into picking either of the other two options. If the Geth and EDI weren't (apparently*) killed by the Destroy ending everyone and their Mum would have picked it.
*I'm still not sold with the Starkid. He also said Shep would die if I chose it, but I'm still kicking. And neither the Geth, nor EDI, were entirely based on Reaper code.
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Posté 09 novembre 2012 - 01:17
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KieranW wrote...
Not entirely related, but one thing I really hate about the Red Ending?
Destroy wipes out all Synthetics with Reaper code. So the Reapers go, but so do the Geth and EDI. Yet Control, which uses the same mode of application, only controls the Reapers but suddenly, somehow, ignores all Synthetics with Reaper code? Why does Shepard not gain control of them as well? It's the same principle, same device and same mode of application.
I'll tell you why. Because they had to demonise Destroy so people would be strong-armed into picking either of the other two options. If the Geth and EDI weren't (apparently*) killed by the Destroy ending everyone and their Mum would have picked it.
*I'm still not sold with the Starkid. He also said Shep would die if I chose it, but I'm still kicking. And neither the Geth, nor EDI, were entirely based on Reaper code.
If people just believe whatever the Starchild says (anyone who's playing the game), and pick something other than destroy because of the above, they've been indoctrinated. Not only Shepard, but the player controlling Shepard as well.
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Posté 09 novembre 2012 - 01:46
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As Anderson said there is always another way, Bioware just didn't let us know nor allow us to destroy the reapers and save the others like the Geth and EDI. After all why put all the trouble and requisites to get peace between Geth and Quarian if we can't save them but also destroy the reapers in the end?
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Posté 09 novembre 2012 - 01:51
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Because realistically its the only one in which you can last I check one can't survive vaporization. So a blast to the face is 1% more believable on the survivor meter.
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Posté 09 novembre 2012 - 01:57
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Who says that Shepard is actually gonna live after that "breath" scene.
The Destroy ending eliminates ALL synthetic life, and as Miranda, Doctor Chakwas, EDI, Legion, and the Catalyst have all pointed out, Shepard is mostly SYNTHETIC.
Sooooo, even if Shepard survived the explosion, Shepard wouldn't be alive for too long anyway, since all the synthetic parts keeping him/her alive would have stopped working.
And all we see is Shepard laying there, struggling to breath under a pile of rubble. With little to no hope of being rescued, because everybody just assumes he/she is dead.
So yeah....the endings make no logical sense.
It's all "artistic integrity" this, space magic that.etc,etc...
The Destroy ending eliminates ALL synthetic life, and as Miranda, Doctor Chakwas, EDI, Legion, and the Catalyst have all pointed out, Shepard is mostly SYNTHETIC.
Sooooo, even if Shepard survived the explosion, Shepard wouldn't be alive for too long anyway, since all the synthetic parts keeping him/her alive would have stopped working.
And all we see is Shepard laying there, struggling to breath under a pile of rubble. With little to no hope of being rescued, because everybody just assumes he/she is dead.
So yeah....the endings make no logical sense.
It's all "artistic integrity" this, space magic that.etc,etc...
