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[Locutus_of_BORG]

We don't know what the DE Plot would've entailed, but it would've had a better buildup that the Indoc Theory. As of right now, the Indoc Theory just so happens to be the best clutch of straws we've got.

[d.nichols]

At least indoc theory, while not providing closure, leaves it open enough for us to use our imaginations to determine what happened. That's what I choose to go with. But I agree with XPMUser that they aren't mutually exclusive.

[Remus A]

Lord Aesir wrote...

dark energy. The indoctrination "ending" isn't really an ending at all, it removes the ending and leaves the game incomplete.

^

[Tirigon]

I actually think both suck.

[thehomeworld]

Dark energy it would've completed the entire human's genetic destiny that was on going for 2 whole games and abandoned in the 3rd. We'd probably have to fight Harbi in that ending to and wouldn't have gotten 4 antagonist.

[Jaxtar]

I thought tigers like cinnamon
I support Indoc followed by Dark Energy ending.

[Sebbe1337o]

TheNevincer wrote...

1. Modify the current ending into an indoctrination attempt/hallucination
2. Continue the fight on Earth against Harbinger
3. Give us a real ending where it's revealed the Reaper's function was to prevent the spread of Dark Energy
4. Give us choices that means a damn, and doesn't neccessarily include destruction of all Mass Relays
5. ?????
6. PROFIT! You've fixed the game and won back most of your fans.

This is what I was thinking about! I vote for this ending!

[Akka le Vil]

Indoc is not an ending in itself, it's just a way to explain that the ending we see in ME3 was actually all inside Shep's brain.
As such, it's absolutely not exclusive with "dark energy" ending. In fact it actually allows it, by removing the idiotic ending we have for now and making space for dark energy's one to take its place.

[Ulicus]

I'd rather they never reveal what the purpose of the Reapers is (because the unfathomable should remain, you know, unfathomable)... but I'd take the dark energy thing over what we ended up with in a heartbeat.

But, yeah, why the Reapers do what they do isn't remotely important to the story, IMO. Knowing simply diminishes them.

Modifié par Ulicus, 24 mars 2012 - 06:50 .

[Fusiontron]

 Dark energy - makes more sense. But really the Reapers should remain a mystery.

Modifié par Fusiontron, 24 mars 2012 - 06:51 .

[Heimdall]

Ulicus wrote...

I'd rather they never reveal what the purpose of the Reapers is (because the unfathomable should remain, you know, unfathomable)... but I'd take the dark energy thing over what we ended up with in a heartbeat.

But, yeah, why the Reapers do what they do isn't remotely important to the story, IMO. Knowing simply diminishes them.

I actually think Bioware would have gotten a lot of flack if they never explained why the Reapers do what they do.

[Ulicus]

They probably would have. But not nearly as much as they have for the explanation they went with.

[FirstBlood XL]

evil-pineapples wrote...

FirstBlood XL wrote...

I haven't seen all the details on Dark Energy ending (was it the Reapers need to harvest organics in order to have the power to fight off the dark energy?)

Close. The Reapers "reaped" in order to form a collective intelligence that could become powerful enough to solve the dark energy problem. Humanity, in our glorious genetic diversity, offered a significant intelligence boost that would have made the Reapers advanced enough to solve the problem once and for all... At the cost of our annihilation. Victory through sacrifice.

Thanks for the explanation!  Kind of a cool idea...  Though what happens if Shep tells Harby to go sit on a flagpole?

Mass Effect 4 = Galazy (sans Reapers) fighting to solve dark energy problem?

[SoxFilledWithMashedPotatoes]

I'm glad they scrapped the dark energy plot because it is even more ridiculous than their organics vs synthetics purpose. The Reapers are absolutely NOTHING compared to the universe. How are some cuttlefish machines supposed to stop the universe from expanding?

I think it shouldn't be explained, what purpose they have.

[Ulicus]

REAPERS ARE THE ANTI-SPIRALS!



Shutting up, now.

[Heimdall]

Ulicus wrote...

They probably would have. But not nearly as much as they have for the explanation they went with.

Nearly as much I think.  I think it was a very much damned if they do damned if the don't situation for them.

[kalle90]

How about both? Seeing indoc really isn't ending.

[AlanC9]

Dark energy would have made the series a ripoff of Frederik Pohl's Heechee novels. I think I would have preferred that to the BSG ripoff we actually got -- if you've got to rip something off, rip off something relatively obscure.

But as others said, I-theory means we don't actually have an ending yet, so a straight-up comparison is difficult.

Modifié par AlanC9, 24 mars 2012 - 07:25 .

[Shades of Night]

For those who haven't heard of the Dark energy ending... 

From the 'Mass Effect writer Drew Karpyshyn reveals his original Mass Effect 3 endings' article...
Mass Effect writer Drew Karpyshyn revealed his original intent for the ending of Mass Effect 3, which involved the concept of Dark Energy, which was hinted at in the previous two games, such as on Haelstrom during Tali's recruitment mission, when she commented that the planet's sun was an advanced age for no scientific reason.

The Dark Energy was a force that was going to consume everything. According to Karpyshyn, "The Reapers as a whole were 'nations' of people who had fused together in the most horrific way possible to help find a way to stop the spread of the Dark Energy. The real reason for the Human Reaper was supposed to be the Reapers saving throw because they had run out of time. Humanity in Mass Effect is supposedly unique because of its genetic diversity and represented the universe's best chance at stopping Dark Energy's spread."

The original choice was between killing the Reapers and trying to find a way to stop the Dark Energy threat with what little time was left before it consumed the galaxy, or, "Sacrifice humanity, allowing them to be horrifically processed in hopes that the end result will justify the means."

As others have said, the two could actually work pretty well together. Indoctrination ending gets rid of the current ending, and leads up to the dark energy ending. The dark energy ending likely has a lot of flaws too, but it certainly seems to fit better and I think would have felt a lot more satisfying than what we got. I like the really tough moral choices it has, how it makes the human reaper at the end of ME2 and why the Reapers left the Citadel and Mass Relays around (aside from just using them as a trap, I imagine it speeds up the development of a race) make sense. And they could have had an epilogue actually showing you what happened after your choices and telling at least a little of what happened to the different races and your squadmates.

I could even have seen the dark energy end leading to a new ME series with a new main character who has to go about figuring out and finding a solution to the dark energy problem.

...But I suspect we'll just get a DLC 'clarifying' the current ending and trying to convince us how great it is.

Modifié par ShadesofNight, 24 mars 2012 - 08:35 .

[MadMatt910]

Im goona dump a relevant poll here

http://social.biowar...20/polls/30324/

[Akka le Vil]

That's still a pretty retarded scenario.
Why would the Reaper need to genocide societies to find a solution ? Why couldn't just they culture-build themselve through DNA samples and analysis ? Why do they need to harvest people and not just grow a brain in a jar ?
I mean, seriously, we're talking about super-advanced aliens that can't manage such a simple thing ?

(and WTF about "running out of time", they spent millions years doing nothing in the void of space and they suddendly are pressed by time ?)

Modifié par Akka le Vil, 24 mars 2012 - 08:46 .

[DarkDragon777]

Dark Energy - a million times over

[The Razman]

This feels like the South Park episode where Stan is apathetic about voting.

[Eclipse merc]

I liked the old one much more than the one we have now.

[OdanUrr]

Dark energy (revised). It reminds me of Isaac Asimov's short story, "The Last Question" where humans ask the Multivac how they can decrease or reverse the net amount of entropy of the universe.

Modifié par OdanUrr, 24 mars 2012 - 08:57 .