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[FemmeShep]

Geoff,

What the hell happened with the reaper story? With every game, their story seemed to keep changing. ME3's reveal of their motivation was a pretty big departure from the rest of the plot (both in tone and reason). My question is, did Casey and Mack think of ME1 when writing the Star Child plot device? What about things like Saren/Soverign needing to open up the relay in ME1, when it turns out Star Child not only controls the reapers, but also is the power of the Citadel.

So how does that make sense? Seems to me, the Star Child ending really didn't take into consideration the entire plot. At least the Dark Energy story would have been more in line with continuity (especially with ME2).

Modifié par FemmeShep, 25 mars 2012 - 01:52 .

[GeoffKeighley]

iTofu - I thought Chris from BioWare said that post was not true?

[bucyrus5000]

FemmeShep wrote...

Whoa, so Geoff pretty much confirms that the ending was Casey's vision. I guess what PW said about the ending is true (about Casey and Mack writing the ending, and not having the staff of writers peer review or have any input on it).


http://geek.pikimal....t-name-release/

IDK if Geoff can confirm it, but maybe he can tell us if it is even possible. From my experience, any production requiring a colaborative effort succeeds best if peer review is enforced. It help guarantee quality assurance. 

If Mac and Casey did skip peer review then it is a serious mistake, and for most of us, we notice the lack of quality. But I can forgive it if we get an Ending DLC. I totally understand they wanted to give a peice of themselves in their baby before they sent it out into the world. 

[Lyne Holden]

FemmeShep wrote...

Whoa, so Geoff pretty much confirms that the ending was Casey's vision. I guess what PW said about the ending is true (about Casey and Mack writing the ending, and not having the staff of writers peer review or have any input on it).


http://geek.pikimal....t-name-release/

Well, yeah it was his vision, he's been running the show since the beginning, right?
Although, I think when talented people like Drew and others shuffle in and out as they did, you sort of under estimate the  reinforcement people like that provide in the long run and, for lack of a better term, the "power vacuum" they leave behind when they exit.

[FemmeShep]

bucyrus5000 wrote...

FemmeShep wrote...

Whoa, so Geoff pretty much confirms that the ending was Casey's vision. I guess what PW said about the ending is true (about Casey and Mack writing the ending, and not having the staff of writers peer review or have any input on it).


http://geek.pikimal....t-name-release/

IDK if Geoff can confirm it, but maybe he can tell us if it is even possible. From my experience, any production requiring a colaborative effort succeeds best if peer review is enforced. It help guarantee quality assurance. 

If Mac and Casey did skip peer review then it is a serious mistake, and for most of us, we notice the lack of quality. But I can forgive it if we get an Ending DLC. I totally understand they wanted to give a peice of themselves in their baby before they sent it out into the world. 

Well, it doesn't seem like he knows about the Peer Review part (or if he does, he wouldn't say). But he pretty much confirmed that the ending was Casey's vision. And it's been long speculated that the ending wasn't the vision of the writing team, as it seemed like a departure from the rest of the games writing. 

I personally 100% believe the PW post is real. I have my reasons beyond the articles posted. So this really only further validates what PW has said (including his tweet about the ending being written by Mac) 

[XXIceColdXX]

Hi Geoff, firstly nice app. Thanks

The question Id like to ask you, from what you have said i dont think you can answer but I'd like to know your opinion on the Indoctrination Theory. Whether behind the scenes you may have come across anything that could back this up. If your not aware of the theory in detail here is a link.

I am hopeful that this was Biowares plan all along.

[liggy002]

Geoff,here is a question that maybe you can answer. Is there any information in the Final Hours app that explicitly states that Bioware did not intend indoctrinaton as a theory? Or, if we had watched it, is it still up in the air as a possibility? I only ask this because many people are saying that Bioware debunked the indoctrination theory in the Final Hours ending discussion.

Modifié par liggy002, 25 mars 2012 - 02:04 .

[FemmeShep]

Lyne Holden wrote...

FemmeShep wrote...

Whoa, so Geoff pretty much confirms that the ending was Casey's vision. I guess what PW said about the ending is true (about Casey and Mack writing the ending, and not having the staff of writers peer review or have any input on it).


http://geek.pikimal....t-name-release/

Well, yeah it was his vision, he's been running the show since the beginning, right?
Although, I think when talented people like Drew and others shuffle in and out as they did, you sort of under estimate the  reinforcement people like that provide in the long run and, for lack of a better term, the "power vacuum" they leave behind when they exit.

Yes, but he specifically said the ending itself was his vision. A lot of people believed that the ending, like the rest of the game was a collaboration effort by the writing team. But as more info is getting out, it seems that it's true that the ending was written solely by Casey and Mac. 

[bucyrus5000]

GeoffKeighley wrote...

iTofu - I thought Chris from BioWare said that post was not true?

Chris said he asked Patrick, and Patrick said he didn't write it. 

Personally, I'm leening to the side that says Patrick wrote it and didn't think he'd get backtracked. Either way, the question still is, "Is it possible at Bioware, on the ME3 development team, for the director and lead writer to circumvent peer review, without oversight from a quality assurance department or quality control intervention?"

Modifié par bucyrus5000, 25 mars 2012 - 02:05 .

[FemmeShep]

GeoffKeighley wrote...

iTofu - I thought Chris from BioWare said that post was not true?

Chris asked PW if he wrote it, PW said he didn't.

That doesn't disprove anything. In fact, there is a mountain of evidence that suggests he did say it. He's been on the PA forums since 2007 (that account is confirmed to be his). And he has a deal with the forum/community,  that they are not to quote or screenshot his posts. And all his posts are deleted after an hour of being posted. 

But regardless of that, can you answer the following then:

I. Was the ending written solely by Casey and Mac
II. Did the ending not get a peer review/ input from the rest of the writers?

Modifié par FemmeShep, 25 mars 2012 - 01:59 .

[bucyrus5000]

Sorry if we put you on the spot Geoff, but these are the tough questions we want the development team to answer, but we can't get any of them to talk to us.

[FemmeShep]

bucyrus5000 wrote...

Sorry if we put you on the spot Geoff, but these are the tough questions we want the development team to answer, but we can't get any of them to talk to us.

I'm just really curious. I don't even care about the controversey. Putting all that aside, just as a fan...I'm curious how the ending was written. 

[Jadebaby]

btw, how do I get your app on PC Geoff? That would be wonderful if I could do that.

[Windariah]

GeoffKeighley wrote...



Windariah -- I fact-checked the final story with Casey. Beyond fixing some typos (and Casey reminding me of things like how it was the song One, not Enter Sandman he liked from Metallica), he (nor anyone else at BioWare) asked for anything to be removed before or after the app shipped. I hope everyone respects how open and candid the team was about the creative process and all the behind the scenes materials they shared. Using those materials as "evidence" to build a case against them just means we may find out less about the creative process on games going forward. Why I invest in making these apps is to celebrate the best game teams in the industry, not to produce evidence that can be used against the teams by the fan community.

Thanks for taking the time to do this, and specifically for answering my question.  I hope as time goes on people can appreciate the time and effort you put into this more so than they are able to now. 

[Lyne Holden]

I think that peer review question is irrelevant, that would be Casey's call to make, and the end result is what it is already.

The question is, are they going to look at this ending like they would any other game-play mechanic and make adjustments to the things that do not work as intended.

[FemmeShep]

Lyne Holden wrote...

I think that peer review question is irrelevant, that would be Casey's call to make, and the end result is what it is already.

The question is, are they going to look at this ending like they would any other game-play mechanic and make adjustments to the things that do not work as intended.

I still want to know.

Because many felt the ending was a departure of tone/continuity. So if the ending wasn't written with the input of the other writers and a peer review session, it would be a lesson to be learned. 

I don't really see why this question can't be answered. (Unless he doesn't know). 

Modifié par FemmeShep, 25 mars 2012 - 02:09 .

[don-mika]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

btw, how do I get your app on PC Geoff? That would be wonderful if I could do that.

whats a problem? buy/ download/ install/ enjoy  :)/

And once again- again- again- thank you Geoff fo the Final Hours of Mass Effect 3 <3

[tyranolol]

I'm one of the guys they didn't like too much the ending of mass effect 3 and i would like to discuss it out of the forum, i'm not hurry so I'll be patient waiting for your answers to my questions, but i'm far away of asking for a refound on my me3, I think is an awesome game only needing a bit of clarifications and, maybe, a happy ending with your LI, or don't know exactly but i would like to give my congratulations to the dev team of me3, including you of course because I trully think it's a great job. And after that i would like to ask you some questions:

I'm a trully deffender of the indoctrination theory, I know that if is the real theory after the game you are not going to make spoilers but I must try There are going to be DLCs with explanations on the ending or new endings? I think you have asked this question on the forum but not sure, didn't read all the thread. I thinks is the only theory that fullfits the black holes on the ending, don't want to make offense, but the preparation wouldn't have sense with indoctrination theory so i'm really confused.

Thanks for being here answering questions and excuse me for my poor english

[bucyrus5000]

Regardless of the answer, thank you Mr. Keighley for spending the past 9 hours with us answering questions. It is very kind of you. I look forward to your next project.

Modifié par bucyrus5000, 25 mars 2012 - 02:13 .

[Jamie9]

How was the state of BioWare when you visited? Are there notes pinned randomly or is it quite tidy? I'm oddly curious.

Thanks in advance. It's really great for you to come here.

[FemmeShep]

bucyrus5000 wrote...

Regardless of the answer, thank you Mr. Keighley for spending the past 9 hours with us answering questions. It is very kind of you. I look forward to your next project.

This x1000

Don't want to come off as ungrateful. It's really awesome he's taken the time out of his schedule to answer what he can. 

[Yalision]

Thank you for your participation with the Bioware Social Network Geoff. It shows that at least one media representative is willing to come down to earth and engage with the people in no small part responsible for Bioware's recent concession. I highly doubt, however, that Bioware would ever have come to this decision in any case if the people within didn't agree on some scope with the concerns of all their fans. Perhaps they gave us an incomplete vision and didn't realize it until everyone started speaking up.

Hopefully Bioware is taking the feedback of its fans very seriously and will have something of gravity worth giving to its most devoted core in April. I look forward to seeing how this went down from the inside with your update to the app - which I bought two days ago. It was very enlightening, but also added salt to the wound upon my disappoint with the direction Bioware went with the endings. It felt like they had taken Lord of the Rings and destroyed the possibility of magic, or Star Wars and taken away the existence of the Force.

[MrFob]

Wow, thanks for the candid and insightful answers. Great thread.
Pretty much everything I wanted to know has already been asked by others so I am just going to say "Thank you" for the time and effort.

EDIT: Oh, maybe one question: At the time of your visits to BW, were you aware of BW's earlier press statements like "There won't just be an A,B,C ending", etc.? If so, did you feel (knowing in advance what the ending would be like) that there were some discrepancies between the press statements and the actual situation? Did you get a chance to ask the devs about that?

EDIT2: Link to a summary of a couple of such statements.

Modifié par MrFob, 25 mars 2012 - 04:18 .

[Jadebaby]

don-mika wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

btw, how do I get your app on PC Geoff? That would be wonderful if I could do that.

whats a problem? buy/ download/ install/ enjoy  :)/

And once again- again- again- thank you Geoff fo the Final Hours of Mass Effect 3 <3

Where do I buy/download/install/enjoy it from?

[tyranolol]

Ok sorry thought you were the writer of the last hours of the mass effect 3, didn't know the name of the application for ipad, I don't have Ipad so i can't play it, so no questions T_T thanks anyway