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[Naltair]

Doctor_Jackstraw wrote...

Probably the most interesting thing is hearing that the teams had misgivings about ME3 AND DA2 with this "fast turn-around" dev style. ME3 got a delay to help out. its a shame that dragon age 2 didnt get that assistance

It should be added that any video game prooject is going to have a terminus date, or I should say a good project should.  You can't develop in a bubble with no end date in sight.  Games have aggressive schedules but much of that is focused on getting the product out sooner than later.  Also a good deal of the end development is polish, polish, polish, and more polish.

But yeah I do agree it was interesting to see that described.

Modifié par Naltair, 26 mars 2012 - 06:20 .

[Zeratul20]

@OP: I'm guessing I'm waaaaay too late, but...

Will the "Final Hours" app be sold as a book?

[Saku39]

I'm sorry if my aggressive tone is upsetting to you guys but incompetence in these kinds of situations just burns me, chaps my hide. There should have been an endless series of meetings about the endings, with at least 10 people chiming in. This obviously did not happen.

How did this event, truly the greatest gaming disappointment of this console era and the worst franchise-nuking in sic fi history, happen? This has to be the harebrained scheme of just 2 or 3 people, no way this passes the sniff test in a meeting.

I think a good update to the app would be like a true crime thing. You could get the email conversations, anonymous tips, really unravel the timeline of this fiasco. Who signed on the dotted line to destroy the franchise forever? THAT would be about the only Mass Effect product I can see buying right now.

[Naltair]

Saku39 wrote...

I'm sorry if my aggressive tone is upsetting to you guys but incompetence in these kinds of situations just burns me, chaps my hide. There should have been an endless series of meetings about the endings, with at least 10 people chiming in. This obviously did not happen.

How did this event, truly the greatest gaming disappointment of this console era and the worst franchise-nuking in sic fi history, happen? This has to be the harebrained scheme of just 2 or 3 people, no way this passes the sniff test in a meeting.

I think a good update to the app would be like a true crime thing. You could get the email conversations, anonymous tips, really unravel the timeline of this fiasco. Who signed on the dotted line to destroy the franchise forever? THAT would be about the only Mass Effect product I can see buying right now.

I disagree.

This is not the greatest disappointment of this console era, this game will be too successful for that.  Now it might be the most controversial for sure, at least for 2012.

As to tracking down who is at fault, it does not matter.  What matters is that BioWare seems committed to acting on the situation.

Modifié par Naltair, 26 mars 2012 - 06:36 .

[Rhyth]

Dodgeman wrote...

Aerevane wrote...

Why do banana's have a curve?

LOL!

[Ashilana]

Sadly, hearing that the game was not overly rushed... is very depressing.

This leaves only the possibility that genocide and the elimination of free will are the take home messages for the mass effect saga.

[Vandalisme]

Doctor_Jackstraw wrote...

Isn't dismissing the endings as just colors just as bad as complaining about comments of "entitlement"?

The thing about the endings is that they mirror themes brought forward beforehand in the rest of the series. Think about the 3 choices. Destruction, Control, and Unity. Many of the big choices in the games revolve arround these themes.

At the end of ME1 you could choose to focus on sovereign (destroy) abandon the council (control) or save them (unity). in ME2 you choose if the collector base is saved (control) or not (destroy). unity was the oiverall theme of the suicide mission itself. The end of Legion's Loyalty mission is a direct reflection of the choice at the end of ME3. Destroy the geth for what they might become, or Control them with the virus to gain support.

There are many situations like this and I dont think its fair to just disregard the rest of the series to that end. Playing through all 3 games in a row gives a unique impression of the way that series wraps up.

Thought ide give my perspective. Im not upset about the themes in the ending, its just that after 20 hours of pure brilliance before that rush to the end, in between hearing the interviews about how they directed every second of the ending, and all of the inconsistencies (anderson arriving first, only 1 passage into that final chamber, the bench they lean on, being in between the citadel and crucible in space, the gun, god child, oily shadow bushes) i feel like the ending is a bit rushed, and it feels deliberate. I didnt expect a happy ending and i dont want one. I want to know what on earth is going on with the end!

I think the TEAM did a great job with ME3, fantastic moments, bt the ending doesnt fit at all. I cant see how on earth someone didnt see it from the fans perspective over there. I dont belive in the indoctrination theory, but there is something extremely fishy about the whole thing. It feels out of place.

And after reading the BRILLIANT final hours of ME3 app, seeing how much these guys pour their hearts and souls into the game, it doesnt make SENSE at all!! I cant wait until they can comment on this thing in earnest. 

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

the "single path" thing people keep bringing up is bunk
they say the walls were moving
therefore: anderson landed somewhere, walked to the console, then the walls moved so that shepard could make it to the path.

seriously, its not a plot hole

Modifié par Doctor_Jackstraw, 26 mars 2012 - 07:09 .

[Vandalisme]

Doctor_Jackstraw wrote...

the "single path" thing people keep bringing up is bunk
they say the walls were moving
therefore: anderson landed somewhere, walked to the console, then the walls moved so that shepard could make it to the path.

seriously, its not a plot hole

Im not saying its a plothole, but theyre usually a lot better at focusing on these kinds of things, maybe it was sleep deprivation that made them overlook these things (javik not needing a helmet in space/geth ship, that i can overlook ) i cant help but feel theres more to it. I think many people are reacting a bit irrationally and i understand where they come from. but we should give them a chance to explain. They probably would have already if they werent afraid to reply in case more of what they say gets turned against them.

But beeing here now following these forums all night is evidence that im just as impatient as the rest and i really hope we can get an answer in april 

[Humanwreck]

Hi there Geoff. I really appreciate you taking some time to answer our questions.
I personally haven´t seen the app so I don´t know if you´ve adressed my question in it.

So Tali´Zorahs face... Was there talk about actually having a rendered model of it in the game and then to safe time/money it was cut and we just got the photoshopped stockphoto?

[MikeRoz]

Geoff, any chance of an Android version of your app?

[FemmeShep]

Naltair wrote...

Saku39 wrote...

GeoffKeighley wrote...


Saku39 - Are you serious? Create "real life consequences" for whoever wrote the ending? You may not like how the game ended, but like any form of creative expression we have to respect the artists behind the game....and all the amazing work they did on the series overall.

Oh, yes, I'm absolutely serious. In most industries, a mistake of these proportions would result in someone being fired. Who is going to be fired, Geoff? Who is responsible for the ending we recieved, which polls around 4 percent positive among BioWare's customers? Was it Mac Walters? Was it Hudson? Was it both? What is the full name of the person who ultimately approved the end sequence dialogue? Why has that person not been fired?

No, I DON'T have to respect the artists behind the game. Is that rule written down somewhere? Perhaps you should speak to my attorney. The artists in question (whomever is personally responsible for the worst recieved ending to a video game property in history) are not deserving of respect, they are deserving of scorn and anger and ridicule. I bought a product with advertised features and benefits, and they were just a pack of LIES, Geoff. This was an ABORTION, and its nothing but deflection and PR bullcrap from BioWare since. They KNEW this ending sucked, and they LIED to us about it. Thats one of the main reasons people are upset. We are sick of being talked to as if BioWare's products are both unassailable art and crass profit making enterprises simultaneously. If it's art, why did they lie about it?

THEY answer to US, Geoff. Their art answers to our whims and desires as paying customers, not Mac Walter's personal sense of accomplishment. (rasberry)  WE are in charge of the gaming industry. BioWare's future sales will reflect this, and then you will see heads roll.

Why wait?

You sir are not in touch with reality.

I agree he's pretty heated, and needs to calm down. But are you saying people don't get fired for making poor decisions? 

Either way, have no idea why this guy is asking this of Geoff. He doesn't work for BioWare, EA, so it seems bizarre he's bringing this up. Plus, as much as I have my own opinions on how they handled the ending, I don't find it appropriate that anyone talks about someones job security...

Modifié par FemmeShep, 26 mars 2012 - 07:31 .

[FemmeShep]

Naltair wrote...

Saku39 wrote...

I'm sorry if my aggressive tone is upsetting to you guys but incompetence in these kinds of situations just burns me, chaps my hide. There should have been an endless series of meetings about the endings, with at least 10 people chiming in. This obviously did not happen.

How did this event, truly the greatest gaming disappointment of this console era and the worst franchise-nuking in sic fi history, happen? This has to be the harebrained scheme of just 2 or 3 people, no way this passes the sniff test in a meeting.

I think a good update to the app would be like a true crime thing. You could get the email conversations, anonymous tips, really unravel the timeline of this fiasco. Who signed on the dotted line to destroy the franchise forever? THAT would be about the only Mass Effect product I can see buying right now.

I disagree.

This is not the greatest disappointment of this console era, this game will be too successful for that.  Now it might be the most controversial for sure, at least for 2012.

As to tracking down who is at fault, it does not matter.  What matters is that BioWare seems committed to acting on the situation.

I..again disagree.

If Casey and Mac wrote the endings without getting input from the rest of the staff, that was a very poor decision. They should take responsibility,  and learn from this mistake.

And I think you are wrong, Mass Effect will definitely go down as one of the most disappointing series for that ending. It's sad, but true. Look no further than the Matrix or LOST

Modifié par FemmeShep, 26 mars 2012 - 07:28 .

[Darth_Trethon]

Frankly I think it's inevitable that a Mass Effect related app called "The Final Hours" will be almost exclusively associated with the ending of Mass Effect 3. Most ME fans aren't aware of your final hours series and the first impression which is incidentally created by the title will be hard to overcome. Some will avoid it, some will buy it in search of answers and others still will get it to fuel criticism....I don't particularly feel either way about this situation you have inadvertently stumbled in but it is what it is.

Alas my questions to you are these: what happened to your edge? I remember you firing difficult questions at Casey a few years back when ME2 was first announced and everyone was all riled up about Shepard being dead.....you knew about the books and what the developers said about the trilogy a few years before that prior to the release of ME1 and you pretty much cornered him about Shep being alive or brought back as the player character.....Casey himself had to admit you were very well prepared and many(myself included) certainly saw you as a real fan of the games. Where did your focus go? You played ME3 through before it was released if I understood what you said correctly so I am somewhat stunned that you are calling for the ending to be kept intact.....you say that you see the inconsistencies and plotholes and I'd say it's completely nonsensical unless it's a dream/indoctrination so how did you not see all these gaps? Why did you not hit them with the hard questions? I respected you because you were a gamer first and journalist second but now you seem more like an industry tool....help me out here. I want to believe but you're making it hard for me to do so.

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 26 mars 2012 - 07:39 .

[Naltair]

I'm still not convinced that Mass Effect as a series will be that reviled or looked down on. In fact even if the ending of say Lost was "disappointing" there are an awful lot of shows that seem to want to emulate or capitalize on the maligned series.

Now I will admit that this ending will be remembered for polarizing the community and industry journalists alike. I think it will be an interesting episode in gaming and I am intrigued to see how it turns out. But it is too early to say that it will remembered as the worst thing ever.

Modifié par Naltair, 26 mars 2012 - 07:55 .

[Darth_Trethon]

Naltair wrote...

I'm still not convinced that Mass Effect as a series will be that reviled or looked down on. In fact even if the ending of say Lost was "disappointing" there are an awful lot of shows that seem to want to emulate or capitalize on the maligned series.

Now I will admit that this ending will be remembered for polarizing the community and industry journalists alike. I think it will be an interesting episode in gaming and I am intrigued to see how it turns out. But it is too early to that it will remembered as the worst thing ever.

How it will be remembered largely depends on what BioWare does next.....they say they are working on DLC to provide fans with the closure they are asking for. If this DLC is epic this will make history in a very positive way, if they handle it poorly or in a mediocre fasion then they'll make history for trying and earn some of the lost respect provided it gives something of an ending that actually makes a bit of sense......but in the highly unlikely event that they are just lying about creating this content or plain fail to deliver anything then this will go down as one of the gaming industry's worst disasters.

[HBC Dresden]

Guys and gals, please tone down the ending-focused questions.

I have a question Geoff Keighley that I was wondering as I watched/read the app: Do you know why BioWare decided to reduce Harbinger's role in ME3?

He is relegated to being referenced by Anderson and a Reaper Destroyer, and to show up at the end to destroy Hammer (which I admit was pretty cool). However, I think this would have been more dramatic if Harbinger was given lines in the game. Like how The Illusive Man represented the antagonism of Indoctrination (Cerberus is not a villain, Indoctrinated Cerberus is a villain, big difference) and in-fighting, I totally expected Harbinger to represent the antagonism of the Reapers. On one hand, maybe BioWare wanted to represent the Reapers as a horde with no leader, but the Harbinger plot from ME2 should have been followed up on (its fascination with Shepard). So, do you have any info on this? Thanks!!!

[FemmeShep]

Naltair wrote...

I'm still not convinced that Mass Effect as a series will be that reviled or looked down on. In fact even if the ending of say Lost was "disappointing" there are an awful lot of shows that seem to want to emulate or capitalize on the maligned series.

Now I will admit that this ending will be remembered for polarizing the community and industry journalists alike. I think it will be an interesting episode in gaming and I am intrigued to see how it turns out. But it is too early to say that it will remembered as the worst thing ever.

You keep using "polarizing" and "contoversial" instead of "dissapointing" and "awful".

[Isichar]

FemmeShep wrote...

Naltair wrote...

I'm still not convinced that Mass Effect as a series will be that reviled or looked down on. In fact even if the ending of say Lost was "disappointing" there are an awful lot of shows that seem to want to emulate or capitalize on the maligned series.

Now I will admit that this ending will be remembered for polarizing the community and industry journalists alike. I think it will be an interesting episode in gaming and I am intrigued to see how it turns out. But it is too early to say that it will remembered as the worst thing ever.

You keep using "polarizing" and "contoversial" instead of "dissapointing" and "awful".

Artistic integrity = nahnahnahnahnah nahnahnahnahnah

[Darth_Trethon]

Isichar wrote...

FemmeShep wrote...

Naltair wrote...

I'm still not convinced that Mass Effect as a series will be that reviled or looked down on. In fact even if the ending of say Lost was "disappointing" there are an awful lot of shows that seem to want to emulate or capitalize on the maligned series.

Now I will admit that this ending will be remembered for polarizing the community and industry journalists alike. I think it will be an interesting episode in gaming and I am intrigued to see how it turns out. But it is too early to say that it will remembered as the worst thing ever.

You keep using "polarizing" and "contoversial" instead of "dissapointing" and "awful".

Artistic integrity = nahnahnahnahnah nahnahnahnahnah

BioWare and EA are bussy at work making me eat all my pro "games are art" arguments. I always argued that conventionally the word art equalled trash in my view and that I can much rather respect games as true art but they seem to have taken it the other way around and think that since now games are officially considered art they can get away with delivering trash on par with conventional art.....like an hd picture of a rusty plate I saw posted in an "art" museum.....I wish I was kidding or exagerating....a picture of a rusty plate that someone neglected for a lot of years is considered "art".

I really hope this games are art nonsense doesn't end up destroying the gaming industry.....right now it seems like the only straw they can grasp at to defend what happened to ME3's ending and I hope they don't get away with it.

[Evenjelith]

Hi Geoff,

Do you know why Mordin seems to be the only voice actor not invited back to reprise their role from ME1 or 2? Especially when he was such a fan favorite.

Modifié par Evenjelith, 26 mars 2012 - 08:27 .

[Naltair]

FemmeShep wrote...

You keep using "polarizing" and "contoversial" instead of "dissapointing" and "awful".

Becauase I don't feel disappointed and I think the game on the whole is not awful.

I do think the endings have polarized the audience; not everyone hates them, but on BSN you either love the endings or hate them... because even if you don't mind them, the community automatically puts you in the love them camp.  I am moderate, I feel it could have been better, I don't think the ME3 endings killed my dog and murdered my family though.

The endings are also extremely controversial, look at all the coverage they are getting, even from more "mainstream" markets.  So yes in my mind, polarizing and controversial is how I would describe them.

Modifié par Naltair, 26 mars 2012 - 08:48 .

[finnithe]

Evenjelith wrote...

Hi Geoff,

Do you know why Mordin seems to be the only voice actor not invited back to reprise their role from ME1 or 2? Especially when he was such a fan favorite.

Grapevine says that Michael Beattie's agent asked for too much.

[Hendrik.III]

Saku39 wrote...

GeoffKeighley wrote...


Saku39 - Are you serious? Create "real life consequences" for whoever wrote the ending? You may not like how the game ended, but like any form of creative expression we have to respect the artists behind the game....and all the amazing work they did on the series overall.

Oh, yes, I'm absolutely serious. In most industries, a mistake of these proportions would result in someone being fired. Who is going to be fired, Geoff? Who is responsible for the ending we recieved, which polls around 4 percent positive among BioWare's customers? Was it Mac Walters? Was it Hudson? Was it both? What is the full name of the person who ultimately approved the end sequence dialogue? Why has that person not been fired?

No, I DON'T have to respect the artists behind the game. Is that rule written down somewhere? Perhaps you should speak to my attorney. The artists in question (whomever is personally responsible for the worst recieved ending to a video game property in history) are not deserving of respect, they are deserving of scorn and anger and ridicule. I bought a product with advertised features and benefits, and they were just a pack of LIES, Geoff. This was an ABORTION, and its nothing but deflection and PR bullcrap from BioWare since. They KNEW this ending sucked, and they LIED to us about it. Thats one of the main reasons people are upset. We are sick of being talked to as if BioWare's products are both unassailable art and crass profit making enterprises simultaneously. If it's art, why did they lie about it?

THEY answer to US, Geoff. Their art answers to our whims and desires as paying customers, not Mac Walter's personal sense of accomplishment. (rasberry)  WE are in charge of the gaming industry. BioWare's future sales will reflect this, and then you will see heads roll.

Why wait?

*fetches popcorn*

I agree with you, but Geoff will never adress this thoroughly nor is it his place to do so. Personally, if they keep coming at us with this art defence and "planned" ending, I'm done with BW. Not that I like to do so, but if you truly think disappointment, frustration and/or anger surging into a customer after using your product is a good thing, you are raving mad. Who wants that?! If looking for entertainment after a long day of work, I don't want to feel like that... but it's art, so it's okay? Preposterous.

These emotions weren't invoked by emotional happenings in the storyline, but because of deception outside of the game and overall dissatisfaction - that's something entirely different. 

[Thornquist]

I recommend everyone getting this app.
Its a great way to get inside Bioware and understanding how their design choices are made.