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Does the lack of a happy ending bother you, or the lack of closure?


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GreyLycanTrope

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What bother's me most to least
Lack of closure/plot-holes/restrictive choices (not looking for sunshine and rainbows, just a choice that would actually reflect my shepard's view point)

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ThatDancingTurian

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What bothers me most is the lack of choices and results of my previous choices. Nothing I did mattered. That's what bothers me.

Don't get me wrong, both the dismal bitterness of the ending and its complete failure in logic also bother me. I'd say logic is actually the least of my problems with the ending. I was willing to suspend belief for Lazarus and the Terminator Reaper because they were both necessary to the plot. Godchild and his space magic are not.

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Neither, the lack of reasonable plot, the lack of any sense or tie in to the previous 100+ hours.

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Both. I would be fine with the current endings where Shep wakes up in one of them and then have an epilogue like "Shepard was rescued and was placed in a hospital. Meanwhile, the Normandy crew was rescued from a nearby system where Shepard, his/her LI, and crew were reunited" and then talk about what happpened to each crew member and some other important characters like Chakwas, Hackett, Aria, etc.

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iheartbob wrote...

Lack of closure mostly.

Followed by the lack of sense.

My paragon romanced Thane in ME2. I wasn't expecting a happy ending going into it.

Doesn't mean the option shouldn't be there though with a lot of hard work.


LI unique quest:
Find a functioning prothean stasis pod. calibrating it properly. pursuade Thane to use it. Survive the ending.
Reunion 30 years later. Or something.

or something.

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I don't think ALL the endings, or even most of them, should be happy. I think it should be possible to get a happy ending, not easy. But what really bothered me most about the endings wasn't all the plotholes, or the sadness, or even the deus ex machina.

What bothered me was the meaningless blackness. The nihilistic and unavoidable nature of it. There's no hope, no point, no reason. Everything burns.

It creates such a void, and then tries to manipulate you into feeling better with a sunrise, a half baked after credits scene, and upbeat techno.

It doesn't even acknowledge how bleak it is, it's like the game itself is telling you that the world you've so invested in doesn't matter.

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Lack of sense and closure.

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The Ole Ultra Violence wrote...

I don't think ALL the endings, or even most of them, should be happy. I think it should be possible to get a happy ending, not easy. But what really bothered me most about the endings wasn't all the plotholes, or the sadness, or even the deus ex machina.

What bothered me was the meaningless blackness. The nihilistic and unavoidable nature of it. There's no hope, no point, no reason. Everything burns.

It creates such a void, and then tries to manipulate you into feeling better with a sunrise, a half baked after credits scene, and upbeat techno.

It doesn't even acknowledge how bleak it is, it's like the game itself is telling you that the world you've so invested in doesn't matter.


Quoted for truth.

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The massive plotholes and defying things they had established before the ending.

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-Draikin- wrote...

Both, because I was expecting varied outcomes and endings that made sense. I got neither of those.


Same for me.

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Subject M wrote...

iheartbob wrote...

Lack of closure mostly.

Followed by the lack of sense.

My paragon romanced Thane in ME2. I wasn't expecting a happy ending going into it.

Doesn't mean the option shouldn't be there though with a lot of hard work.


LI unique quest:
Find a functioning prothean stasis pod. calibrating it properly. pursuade Thane to use it. Survive the ending.
Reunion 30 years later. Or something.

or something.


I really don't need him too though.  I really appreciated the fact that through Sheppard's romance he found a reason to live again and redeem himself.  It's one of those beautiful but sad "live life to the fullest in the short time you have" kind of romances.  The kind that changes you for the better as a person too. 

I know a lot of other people who romanced Thane would love that option though, but I personally don't need it.  I just wish the romance had been fleshed out a little more in ME3 before he died though.  It could have been worse though.  I could have romanced Jacob.

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The ending didn't make sense to me, which is the reason that I found it unsatisfying.

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Closure, obviously. Almost all of the responses here either say both or closure (or are complete non sequiturs). I think most people who take this seriously are much more concerned with the ending making some sense or answering our questions than with it being filled with sunshine and bunnies.

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Couple of plot holes, narrow spectrum of choice and variety in results.
For me, there doesn't have to be a happy ending.
It wouldn't fit with the way my story played out.

That said, I respect the desire for it in others and would support its inclusion.
Just as I hope they would respect my desire to have the reapers win, which was mentioned as a possibility by a dev early on.

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Closer would be great.

An option for a "happy"ending would be nice to, something like the galaxy is working to rebuild even with what happened. They can have the happy ending hard to get, just have the option for a brighter ending.

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It does bother me a bit. Have to be honest here, though the Normandy escape bothers me more.

Technically, there is a "happy" ending. Shepard can survive. Only thing is it doesn't make sense. Could just expand on that.

Or, just add a scene of Shepard exiting the stranded Normandy after Joker and the other crewmates. Heavily injured, confused, helped by Garrus. Have that be the last scene in the game. 

If things have to remain as they are for the most part, this would make me a happy camper.   



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Lack of choice, a cheesy victorious happy ending shouldn't be the ending by default, but it should be available to the people who want it.

Why do people assume there was either going to be one or the other? There should have been endings that are both happy, sad and everything in between.

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iheartbob wrote...

Subject M wrote...

iheartbob wrote...

Lack of closure mostly.

Followed by the lack of sense.

My paragon romanced Thane in ME2. I wasn't expecting a happy ending going into it.

Doesn't mean the option shouldn't be there though with a lot of hard work.


LI unique quest:
Find a functioning prothean stasis pod. calibrating it properly. pursuade Thane to use it. Survive the ending.
Reunion 30 years later. Or something.

or something.


I really don't need him too though.  I really appreciated the fact that through Sheppard's romance he found a reason to live again and redeem himself.  It's one of those beautiful but sad "live life to the fullest in the short time you have" kind of romances.  The kind that changes you for the better as a person too. 

I know a lot of other people who romanced Thane would love that option though, but I personally don't need it.  I just wish the romance had been fleshed out a little more in ME3 before he died though.  It could have been worse though.  I could have romanced Jacob.


You know, that option could have been much more problematic and about Shepard refusing to let Thane go.
Like this: Thane says its time for him to go and that he does not want to go intto some stasis pod. But when he dies, Shepard is given the option to do it anyway, if she have the pod ready. The choice is between letting him go or preserve him against his wish with the hope of him forgiving you when he wakes up cured. A Disturbing and thought provoking scene scene.

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Mostly closure, though I can understand why some people would want a happier ending. They were all pretty grim.

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Both?...yeah both.

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Only closure. Wish I knew what happened to each character I spent well over 150hrs on. Just want an ending that makes sense, but also sees what happened to the other characters. Also want to have levels of sucess. Fail-VERY bad-bad-less than mediocre-medium-better than medium-good-great-PERFECT

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Lack of choice bothers me more than both of those. One can argue that there is at least some closure in the current ending(s), and the lack of a happy ending is fine with me. Some of my favorite books/movies don't have happy endings.

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FemmeShep wrote...

My biggest issues with the ending is that:

I. It's incoherent.
II. It redefines the entire main plot.
III. It contains plot holes/lore errors
IV. It lacks resolution/closure.
V. It doesn't reflect your choices made throughout the game.

So for me, it has nothing to do with the lack of a happy ending. Although for a game that is all about choice, why couldn't there be a happy ending? That's the only thing I'll say in that regards. Seems weird it wasn't at least an option. Or rather, there wasn't a path to get a happy ending.



This.
It's not about closure or happy ending. It's about some real varied epic endings, where eventually we could see some of our war assets and crewmembers fighting for their liberty.

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Gaping plotholes aside, both. If I did everything right, and made the right choices, why CAN'T I have my happy ending? It was supposed to be the final game of the trilogy with many divergent endings (which of course didn't happen).

I still chose to believe that after I get hit by the beam, I wake up, activate the Catalyst, kill all the reapers, high-five Garrus, and go home and f*** Liara.

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Backstory more than anything. WHO IS THE STAR CHILD! WHO MADE THE REAPERS! WHO KILLED JFK! Questions for which the answers would be awesome. I could probably deal with everything, but the plotkai that we ended up with is kinda weird. To me, twould make more sense that the Citadel is an aligning array for the Citadel, and that Shepard is the catalyst. The Star Child would then just be the "designers" of the Crucible for preparing whoever managed to get to that point to make the choice by giving exposition on what's been discovered about the Reapers.

Alas, we may never find out.