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[sadako]

terdferguson123 wrote...

sadako wrote...

Question to the OP,
if all your arguments is true, then the catalyst should have been able to do something in ME1 when citadel was supposed to turn into a giant mass relay for the reapers to come through.

But wait, do you know why it didn't happen? because catalyst didn't exist in ME1 and ME2.

Or, because the 50,000 years were not up yet. It's a cycle, it just wasn't time yet.

It was time, the 50K years was overdue, it was mentioned in ME1 and ME2, have you familiarized yourself with the ME1 and ME2 lore?

A) A signal was sent to the citadel every 50,000 years (clue dropped if you scanned the keepers in ME1 in ME2, exact timespan given) - Sovereign had to dock to citadel because prothean scientists disabled the signal that enables the keeper to open the citadel.

Talked to Vigil in Ilos.

C) Mentioned in the beginning of ME1, when Shepard touched the Prothean information beacon, at that point, it was only clear that it was about an extinction event.

Modifié par sadako, 24 mars 2012 - 07:47 .

[DJBare]

So any response?. Shepard is standing there beaten and asking the catalyst if it can help stop the reapers, you call the catalyst AI using mathematical logic, well logic says this guy/gal Shepard is about to ruin your plans, but he/she is standing there in a vulnerable weakened state, and the catalyst that "controls" the reapers cannot call on one to come and finish Shepard off?

[Egonne]

I must admit....if the star child said that organics will eventually wipe themselves out due to technology, then what he is doing makes much more sense from an AI perspective.

Wipe organics out before the organics wipe out ALL chance for organic life to ever exist again. Twisted though it may be, it has a certain 'cruel logic' that rings of synthetics; and would match the reapers' claim that their purpose is 'above our understanding'.

Unfortunately.....he didn't say technology would destroy organics. He said synthetics would. So it still doesn't work.

[Evil Minion]

The Reapers. Are. The. Villains.

If we agreed with, or accepted, their logic, we would not be fighting them, would we?

No. It is not a requirement that you accept or agree with the "logic" of the villains. Our not agreeing with them is the primary reason for them being villains.

I did not agree or accept the "logic" of The Borg or why they thought having a collective conscious was better than an individual conscious, but my not agreeing with "Borg logic" did not mean The Borg were an unforgivable plothole. We were never meant to accept "Reaper logic," and this point was driven home several times throughout the trilogy.

[Jayce]

terdferguson123 wrote...

Jae510 wrote...

 It's not that I'm confused about it, it's that it makes no sense to begin with.

"We're going to prevent you from destroying all organic life with synthetics. By destroying ALMOST all organic life with Synthetics."

Why does that not make sense? It's a computer, it is doing what is most efficient, creating something to destroy the root of the problem before it can destroy EVERYTHING. It makes perfect sense you are just reading way too much into the synthetics stopping synthetics part.

No AI is going to determine it's function on a zero probsability equation. It wouldn't be able to disregard the effects of Brownian Motion any more that you or I could ignore the fallacy in saying; I think; therefore I am, Trees are; therefore they think.

[terdferguson123]

jla0644 wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

By the time Shepard reaches that point on the Citadel, the Catalyst knows Shepard has won, at this point it's only option to try and preserve its goal is fire the crucible (preferably from the catalysts side to have shepard control or merge the dna) and destroy the mass effect relays preventing galactic communication and advancement for potentially millions of years.

First, stop saying the Catalyst is just a computer.  At most we can conclude it's an AI, but the game gives us nothing to say for sure what it is.

Second, Shepard hadn't won. Shepard was unconcious, the Crucible wasn't working, the Reapers were going to wipe out the fleet, and continue their reaping. All the Catalyst has to do is leave Shepard lying on the floor to die. It doesn't have to wake him up and give him three ways to defeat the Reapers.  Shepard had not won.  It was over, the Reapers were to reap again until the Cataylst decided to wake Shepard up.

Forgive me on the AI/computer thing, I meant AI, just was trying to reply to a lot of people quickly. Shepard HAD won, the Catalyst sais itself "the solution will not work anymore" because Shepard united the Galaxy against the Reapers, probobly the first time this has happened. Perhaps the Catalyst had a moment of reflection, like EDI, where it realized something was incorrect about it's original premise? It's hard to say, but either way, it's obvious that the Crucible was created with the original intent of the Catalyst as a backup plan to stop Galactic communication for as long as possible, hence the destruction of the Mass Relays. I won't argue that their is a lot of speculation about whether or not the Catalyst had changed it's mind by the end. The opening post was simply referring to the Catalyst's ORIGINAL logic, it's original logic was to stop galactic extinction at any cost. By the end, it very well may have changed its mind, however the crucible's back options were still obviously built with it's original logic in mind.

[Atmospeer]

Bantz wrote...

cavs25 wrote...

Ummm so why not just wipe out the evil synthetics the organics create?

exactly, if reapers showed up to destroy the geth and only the geth because of the possible threat they could be to organics in the future I'd fight to protect the geth (in honor of legion) but i'd undestand it. But the idea that Organics might create synthetics that might in turn someday possibly destroy organics therefor an army of synthetics must wipe out organics to protect them from being destroyed by the synthetics they might someday create is a weak and poorly thought out conclusion no matter how you try to reason it.

Atmospeer wrote...

Because organics will progress and in time can make synthetics more advanced than Reapers, how can they wipe them out then?

 

Reapers aren't synthetic. Secondly you describe it as if they're protecting every organic being, that's not what they're doing, they're preserving the existence of organic life in general.

[Ziggeh]

terdferguson123 wrote...

Before I continue, I want to make one thing very clear: in order to understand the logic of the Catalyst you need to think similarly to how a computer/AI would. With that said, if a computer is tasked with preventing Galactic extinction, it is going to do what is most MATHEMATICALLY probable to prevent it from happening, regardless of morals.

While I concur, I do believe this is a bit of a problem, or rather perhaps because it's not framed as such. You aren't given the option of doing a Kirk and point out that it's "hurting the body" (which would have been pretty epic). If it's logic is purely mechanical that needed to be a major part of the exposition.

terdferguson123 wrote...

2.) The Catalyst is a computer/AI, it only understands mathematics. The mathematics behind the probobility of organics destroying themselves eventaully is astounding, in turn, the Catalyst must do what is most mathematically efficient to prevent this from happening.

3.) The catalsyst, Does. Not. Understand. Organic. Moral. Behavior. It cannot get any simpler than this. It does not believe that destroying advanced civilizations is wrong/right/moral/etc, becuase it lacks the ability to "believe" anything. It can only do what it is tasked to do, and that is prevent galactic extinction in the most mathematically efficient way that it can.

I believe 2 conflicts with 3. It places a value upon organic life, which is a matter of belief in itself, but assuming that is in some way simply core programming:

If it places value upon the time that it allows organic life to expand, there are ways to increase that time and if it doesn't them there are more efficient ways to achieve the goal, ways without margins of error.

[Crocmon]

terdferguson123 wrote...

This post is going to explain why the Catalyst used the Reapers as a solution to prevent galactic extinction.
Before I continue, I want to make one thing very clear: in order to understand the logic of the Catalyst you need to think similarly to how a computer/AI would. With that said, if a computer is tasked with preventing Galactic extinction, it is going to do what is most MATHEMATICALLY probable to prevent it from happening, regardless of morals.

This would work fantastically if all AI in the ME universe had the cruel, calculating mind you imply. EDI, Legion, and the Geth post-Reaper Code prove this wrong. In Mass Effect, AI are always looking to grow, change, and become greater. The Geth were making their giant space consensus post to improve themselves exponentially. The Star-Child has been there for untold years. He has definitely had the chance to develop morals, thoughts, and beliefs. The AI or whatever that he is just talks out of its rear at you.

AI is not infallible. Legion, for example, didn't understand why the Heretics would have 'spyware' runtimes in the True Geth's consensus. The Heretics also prove the fallible nature of AI, in that they can be lead to believe things that simply aren't true.

The Starchild has been alone on the Citadel for an indescribable amount of time. You leave any kind of sentient mind alone for a long enough period and it will go insane. Sure it talks to the Reapers, but since it's there all on its lonesome for 50,000 years at a time obviously it's going to go a little insane. When AI go insane (Halo lore uses Rampancy, but I'm sure it's got an earilier usage I'm just not aware of yet), they start accepting paradoxical logic as truth, and the like. The Reapers don't succumb to this because they are huge communities in each individual ship, while the Catalyst appears to be one single AI. One AI left behind while the big kid Reapers go do big-boy things in Dark Space is probably going to go insane.

And insane AI tend to take their sentience to extremes and begin repurposing their objectives into what they feel is appropriate. The Starchild's gone nuts, thus his logic becomes circular and flawed.

[Sunnyhat1]

Forget the last 15 minutes of ME3 for a second and agree with me to the following outlines:

- Organics are NOT destined to be destroyed by their creations (synthetics)
- The Galaxy is threatened by a buildup of dark energy.
   (According to the orginal story / hinted at in ME2's Tali mission on Haestrom)
- The Reapers where created to find a solution to the dark energy buildup. Advancing themselfs every 50.000 years by culling other advanced civilisations.

Now take in these pointers from the game stories.

- The Reapers/Collectors showed a special interest in humans in ME2.
- They even went as far is to attempt creation of a human reaper.
- In ME3 war learn that protheans also had a special interest in humans.
- The protheans seemed to believe we where the "missing link" to complete the crucible.

Now what would these assumptions lead to?
Here is my take on it:

- The reapers believed a human reaper would be an effective weapon/tool/cure/etc. against the dark energy buildup.
- The crucible's purpose is unclear, but likely also related to the dark energy problem.
  (Not a magic weapon against all reapers acruss the galaxy)
- There could be numerous outcomes once the crucible is activated. From total anihilation as far as to peace with the reapers once their purpose is fullfilled.
- Academy Award worthy ending right here.

Instead Bioware threw all this overboard and gave us the "created always destroy creators, here comes the starchild" logic.

- It makes no sense.
- It makes the collectors, their motivation, actually the whole ME2, pointless..
- <insert your personal rant here>

[Marixus99.9]

ItsFreakinJesus wrote...

Go back into all three ME games and look at all of the planets that were bombarded to the point where they're uninhabitable by anything. You now know why nothing said makes sense. Even through targeting advanced civilizations, the Reapers kill off the potential for other species to evolve simply through the way they target and attack.

If the Reapers got what they wanted and culled humans, Earth would've been inhospitable afterward. There wouldn't be a chance for dolphins or whatever to evolve into a new sentient species that starts a new civilization, things wouldn't get that far. Same thing if someone like the Asari colonized a planet they didn't know had primitive life on it. Reapers show up, bombard the planet, kicking up all kinds of stuff into the air that chokes every living thing on the planet to death.

Not to mention, the Catalyst and the Reapers themselves represent the pinnacle of organic life creating something that will eventually destroy it.

Can you link examples of these bombarded planets? Not that I don't believe you. I heard of them before, but don't remember which ..

One question though .. if the Reapers never started their cycle and whatever ancient races had things go their way .. would humanity exist if the planet was a target for either organics or synthetics?

[Sohlito]

Pottumuusi wrote...

Winner.

[Welsh Inferno]

Circular logic

[dbl219]

The notion that synthetics will inevitably kill organics is utter hogwash.

Throughout the series, synthetics are presented as sentient beings, capable of independent thought and self-determination. This does the opposite of proving the Catalyst's hypothesis. In effect, it shows only that synthetic races will be subject to the same fickle conflicts as organic races. This does not mean organics explicitly against synthetics. It means that one synthetic race could conceivably fight another, just as two organic races wage war.

There's simply no evidence that synthetic races harbor some vendetta against organic races as a whole. The Geth-Quarian conflict emerged because the Quarians sought to eliminate an intelligent race and the Geth fought back for their own self-preservation. If the Geth were organic, would they not have done the exact same thing, or perhaps worse?

The argument simply doesn't hold water. It's circular logic where the conclusion attempts to prove the hypothesis. That's a faulty theorem in any book.

[defenestrated]

terdferguson123 wrote...

Forgive me on the AI/computer thing, I meant AI, just was trying to reply to a lot of people quickly. Shepard HAD won, the Catalyst sais itself "the solution will not work anymore" because Shepard united the Galaxy against the Reapers, probobly the first time this has happened.

It kinda happened in the last cycle, but the Protheans were dicks about it.

Perhaps the Catalyst had a moment of reflection, like EDI, where it realized something was incorrect about it's original premise?

The Catalyst says his solution won't work, not that he's reassessed the problem. His warnings to Shepard about the 'destroy' option suggest it still thinks this is a problem.

It's hard to say, but either way, it's obvious that the Crucible was created with the original intent of the Catalyst as a backup plan to stop Galactic communication for as long as possible, hence the destruction of the Mass Relays.

Since the relays are still destroyed in Synthesis, which the Catalyst suggests would truly end the cycle, I don't buy this. YMMV but I took the destruction of the relays to be indicative of the old "solution" being destroyed. The mass relays were a part of that solution.

Edited to fix a quote tag and use consistent pronouns!

Modifié par defenestrated, 24 mars 2012 - 07:51 .

[LeftyLike2]

The catalyst probably does what it does because it thinks it's for the best...but you know what they say about the road to hell. :3

I understand it's logic..i just happen to think it's evil. 

Ever seen "the abyss"?
The deleted ending reminds me alot of what the catalyst is doing.
The difference is that it has to do with weapons of mass destruction and not syntethics.

the main character says what i wanted Shepard to say to the catalyst:
"How do you know? That they're really gonna do it. Where do you get off passing judgement on us? You can't be sure..how do you know?"

They do provide him "evidence"..something the catalyst never did, i just have to accept that this is the way the universe works..which i don't..you lying little reaper..

[sadako]

For me, it was hinted the reapers left behind tech from ME1
I think the crucible was a weapon/failsafe. Left them to the humans to build, then let them use it only to realize that it was a trojan horse all along, such as being able to reinforce reaper shields or something. It seems pretty nonsensical to bring the citadel to earth, if not to use as a weapon, or as a trap.

[terdferguson123]

I am going to make an edit to my original post because a lot of people are having massive confusion about this thread. Let me restate, the original post was to explain the Catalyst's ORIGINAL logic, it originally was only attempting to stop the inevitable Galactic Extinction at any cost.

However, what this thread did not go into, and what I want to make very clear, is that it is VERY possible (and what everyone should be reflecting on) that the Catalyst, upon seeing Shepard there who had united the Galaxy against the Reapers, had a moment of reflection about it's original premise possibly not being the best way. To look at it from a mathematical perspective, the variables had changed.

EDI shows us throughout the game that it is possible for an AI to change it's stance, although I don't think its very common (even Legion has one purpose, and will do anything to make it happen) This may have happened, and I think this is where the REAL speculation should be coming from.

[Grasich]

You make some good points. However, it's still just plain bad storytelling and still reduces the "epicness" of the Reapers by giving them a very simplistic raison d'etre. "Mysterious" works much better than "Overly logical", imo.

Not to mention, we all know Shepard would NEVER accept that kind of crap, yet he is forced to.

Modifié par Grasich, 24 mars 2012 - 07:53 .

[Bantz]

Atmospeer wrote...

Bantz wrote...

cavs25 wrote...

Ummm so why not just wipe out the evil synthetics the organics create?

exactly, if reapers showed up to destroy the geth and only the geth because of the possible threat they could be to organics in the future I'd fight to protect the geth (in honor of legion) but i'd undestand it. But the idea that Organics might create synthetics that might in turn someday possibly destroy organics therefor an army of synthetics must wipe out organics to protect them from being destroyed by the synthetics they might someday create is a weak and poorly thought out conclusion no matter how you try to reason it.

Atmospeer wrote...

Because organics will progress and in time can make synthetics more advanced than Reapers, how can they wipe them out then?

 

Reapers aren't synthetic. Secondly you describe it as if they're protecting every organic being, that's not what they're doing, they're preserving the existence of organic life in general.

by liquifying people and turning us into a giant human robot? (which is at least partially synthetic, i'll grant you that reapers aren't 100% synthetic but they are a mix of the two) How is that "preserving"? It's slaughering entire races so you can make more half/half creatures so you can grow your army and come back 50k years later to do it over. Not to mention a lot of reapers are destroyed in the process which means those races that were slaughtered to create those reapers are now lost and no longer "preserved". 

This logic makes about as much sense as me saying,  I really like lions, so to protect lions I'm going to go out, round up all lions, KILL THEM ALL, and have them stuffed and put into a museum so that people can remember what Lions were. See they've been preserved nicely.

[eddieoctane]

Here are some fundamental flaws with the catalyst's logic:

The Zha'til and the Geth only became active hostile towards organics after the Reapers became involved. The Zha and their AIs are described as living in "symbiosis". That word, by definition means one of 2 things: mutualism, where both parties involved benefit aka win-win, or commensalism, where one benefits and the other is unaffected. Considering the Zha'til existed entirely within the Zha and the commonly understood definition of symbiosis, the former case is likely true.
While the Geth did engage in combat with the Quarians, it was mostly in self-defense. It is made very clear that the majority of the Geth preferred to live in peace with the Quarians, despite being attacked by them twice. Only a small portion of the collective sided with the Sovreign, and the Geth only accepted the Reapers aid a second time after being faced with utter extinction. Once the Quarians are convinced to back down, the Geth forgive rather quickly.

That's 2 examples in 2 cycles of the Reapers turning the synthetic into a threat. I have a hard time believing that synthetics can't coexist with organics. And honestly, I thought Data settled that little sci-fi fandom dispute back in Star Trek: First Contact.

[Evil Minion]

I'd love to know why people keep insisting that "villain logic" is required to "make sense."

[ShaneP]

terdferguson123 wrote...

I posted this in another thread, but I think it deserves it's own since so many are confused about this.

This post is going to explain why the Catalyst used the Reapers as a solution to prevent galactic extinction.
Before I continue, I want to make one thing very clear: in order to understand the logic of the Catalyst you need to think similarly to how a computer/AI would. With that said, if a computer is tasked with preventing Galactic extinction, it is going to do what is most MATHEMATICALLY probable to prevent it from happening, regardless of morals.

The point, however that is missed by this ending is that the catalyst is acting as if it's actions are merciful, when in fact it is quite happy to mercilessly slaughter any organics that provide resistance to it's plans. The logical thing to do would be for the reapers to periodically purge the galaxy of any overly advanced AI technology, not to purge it of organic races.

1.) The Catalyst explains to Shepard that it was tasked with preserving Galactic life, in order to do this it needs to destroy advanced civilizations via the Reapers before said advanced civilizations develop the means to destroy themselves and potentially destroy ALL of galactic life.

  A few points regarding number 1:

- Is it so hard to believe that organics, left to their own devices, may eventually create something that is       incredibly harmful to the galaxy? Look no further than what we as Humans have created in such a short span of time. Humans have existed on Earth for roughly 100 thousand years, we have been scientifically active for aroune 4000-5000 years, with scientific advancement speeding up rapidly in modern times. During this short span of time, we have developed the means to easily destroy ourselves (nuclear warfare), imagine what would happen if organics all over the galaxy were given the entire galactic life span to scientifically create things that may potentially harm and most definately eventually destroy all life.

- The Catalyst can easily see this self destructive behavior present in Organics (saying because Shepard united the Geth/Quarians is proof that the Catalyst is wrong is an incredibly silly argument, this is one example in a small time frame of galactic life, the galaxy has been around for close to 13 billions years)

That still doesn't answer one simple question: What the hell right a machine or group of machines have to make these decisions for us. The purpose of machines is to serve their creators, not to destroy organic life. Organic life by it's very nature has the potential to be destructive even without hazardous AI experiments because of the way we consume resources just to maintain our species. I for one believe that we're likely on earth (in reality I mean not in the ME universe) to run out of resources long before our AI technology rises up and kills us all.

The very nature of evolution and natural selection is destructive, and to destroy organic life for that very reason is just fallacious.

2.) The Catalyst is a computer/AI, it only understands mathematics. The mathematics behind the probobility of organics destroying themselves eventaully is astounding, in turn, the Catalyst must do what is most mathematically efficient to prevent this from happening.

Points on number 2:

-The Catalyst sees that the most efficient way to reach it's goal is to never let advanced civilizations go long enough to allow this to happen. To do this, it uses the Reapers as a way to stop galactic extinction from happening, by destroying and harvesting advanced civilizations, this in turn gives the under-evolved life a chance to grow, until they themselves become powerful enough to create that which can destroy themselves.

Again, though, how the hell can you apply mathematical answers to a non mathematical problem? It's made quite plain that the reapers are completely unable to feel empathy or compassion. You cannot apply such black and white reasoning to life, if you did the world would be a very bleak place. The universe is massive, it has forces that simply cannot be controlled, not even by machines as powerful as the reapers. That kind of logic may fly in a game, but as our race often finds out to it's cost there are always unforseen consequences to tampering with the natural order things. And that is what the reapers are in effect doing.

3.) The catalsyst, Does. Not. Understand. Organic. Moral. Behavior. It cannot get any simpler than this. It does not believe that destroying advanced civilizations is wrong/right/moral/etc, becuase it lacks the ability to "believe" anything. It can only do what it is tasked to do, and that is prevent galactic extinction in the most mathematically efficient way that it can.

In conclusion, the Catalyst makes perfect sense with it's logic when given the perspective that it is only an AI/Computer/ or even a tool with a single purpose.

Which, again is an argument that doesn't work, because a computer or anything incapable of feeling emotion should not be making decisions that it cannot fully comprehend the ramifications of. The catalyst's logic may make sense to itself, but the fact that organic civilisations have constantly rebelled against the reapers suggests that it's logic does not fly with any organic beings. As human beings we know better than perhaps any other species on earth that there are just some situations in which cold logic just doesn't fly. Yes, AI destruction is a possibility, but so are many, MANY other bad things. What right does an outside force have to interfere in that? the logical thing to do is to let nature run it's course.

4.) Why does the Catalyst destroy the Mass Relays no matter what I choose?

     - Think of it this way: The Crucible is a backup plan in case the Reaper solution ever needs to be stopped. However, the Catalyst still must meet it's obligation to stop advanced organics from destroying all galactic life. The best way it can see to do this without the Reapers is to cut off all galactic ties via the destruction of the Mass Relays.

This thread was created specifically in reference to all those "Yo dawg we heard you don't want to be killed by synthetics" posters I see everywhere, who seem to think that the Catalyst's logic is flawed. That argument is stupid because it  ignores 2 very cruicial peices of information:

1.) The Catalyst does not think like an organic in any way
2.) The Catalyst is only destroying advanced organics as a means to prevent them from destroying themselves and ALL other galactic life.

The catalyst doesn't destroy the mass relays, the energy released through the crucible does. And actually, when you think about it the mass relay network could be argued to be the reason why so many advanced races are able to become as advanced as they do. Without the mass effect technology, even the most advanced races would be most likely to be confined to the planet or star system that they reside in. Which would make the likelihood of any AI technology that they create making it to another part of the galaxy remote at best.

The other point is that whilst the reapers created the Mass relays, it has been inferred a couple of times that the Protheans were very close to mastering the technology, as were the Asari. So the destruction of the relays isn't as much of a mitigating factor as you make out.

Ultimately though, the system of mass relays pretty much guarantees that any race that becomes advanced enough WILL spread throughout the galaxy which effectively exacerbates the problem that the reapers claim to be the solution to.

[dointime85]

terdferguson123 wrote...

I posted this in another thread, but I think it deserves it's own since so many are confused about this.

This post is going to explain why the Catalyst used the Reapers as a solution to prevent galactic extinction.
Before I continue, I want to make one thing very clear: in order to understand the logic of the Catalyst you need to think similarly to how a computer/AI would. With that said, if a computer is tasked with preventing Galactic extinction, it is going to do what is most MATHEMATICALLY probable to prevent it from happening, regardless of morals.

I agree, great post. As I've written in other threads, this comes across much better in the earlier version of the script leaked in November, where the catalyst talks in terms of probabilty and explains more explicitly that he was created to solve the problem of the conflict arising from technological singularity (which is somewhat different from the stupid line "the created will always rebel against their creators"). He isn't a god, he's a program. He's not the ruler of the reapers in the truest sense of the word since he and the reapers in extension are only means to fulfill his original purpose, from which he cannot deviate as long as the crucible does not add alternative options (and even then, the catalyst is unable to choose).

Unfortunately, I didn't get that when I played it because they cut lines and because they used the mysterious child as the catalyst's avatar, which distracts from its nature. Plus, the voice acting makes the program seem like a tyrannical god as well. Something like the Avina avatar would have worked better imo.

You don't have to defend his line of thought at all. he doesn't understand that preserving the old life in reaper form doesn't work. It's an AI that solved the problem, but solved in a way that is utterly horrible to us as human beings (just like the ai in I, Robot found an utterly horrible way to protect humans in the most efficient way).

[terdferguson123]

Egonne wrote...

I must admit....if the star child said that organics will eventually wipe themselves out due to technology, then what he is doing makes much more sense from an AI perspective.

Wipe organics out before the organics wipe out ALL chance for organic life to ever exist again. Twisted though it may be, it has a certain 'cruel logic' that rings of synthetics; and would match the reapers' claim that their purpose is 'above our understanding'.

Unfortunately.....he didn't say technology would destroy organics. He said synthetics would. So it still doesn't work.

? Synthetics are a product of technology, I am not understanding your point.