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[Sdrol117]

Mozts wrote...

I want to understand why ME1 is better than ME2. I mean it, I really don't get it. ME2 is the best game I ever played in my life. Around 250 hours played.

Because ME1 had an awesome story and characters, and immersion, and interesting sidequests (for the most part), and exploration was intriguing. 

Me2 had a **** ton of characters, most of them uninteresting, a way too huge party, a story that didn't even fit the trilogy, removed almost every single RPG aspect of the game, classes had like 4 powers, environments were incredibly drab and uninteresting, Bioware made the entire game using the Gears of War color palette. It was obviously a filler game.  

All you need to play is ME1, Arrival, and ME3. ME2 was useless and told a story that never should have been told, because it was entirely pointless, and had barely anything to actually do involving stoppng the reapers. ME2 could have been a much better storyline that flowed a lot better and actually involved the reaper threat, instead of just wasting Shepard's time as they traveled to come kill us.


Edit: Now don't get me wrong, ME2 was alright. Stand alone, it's better than most games. But in the trilogy, it is the weakest link in every way. It felt like it should have been a spin off.

Modifié par Sdrol117, 24 mars 2012 - 10:20 .

[Tazzmission]

Bobrzy wrote...

ME3
ME2
ME1

I consider ME1 mediocre, and ME3 a living gold. I don't care about the endings, the game rocks.

for me its


me1

me3

me2

i just felt me2 was more filler and not really adding anything to the other 2 titles

[TheLostGenius]

golan2072 wrote...

I used to think that ME2 is the best ME game, but now that I'm re-playing ME1 (after finishing ME3), I'm blown away by it - so much to explore, lots of big spaces, the MAKO (which I like), a very good plot, memorable locations (Feros is one of the best in the series, IMHO) and so on. Just... WOW!

ME1 is a masterpiece. It should be regarded as one of the best new game forms of this generation. The Mako exploration gave the Galaxy a feeling of reality and scope. LIke it really felt like i was exploring the galaxy, making discoveries. ME3 lacked that, which is my only criticism of that. ME2 had some very good qualities, but I prefer ME1 by far, and ME3 ALOT as well. We haven't even gotten any DLC for ME3 so it remains to be seen.

[AkiKishi]

ME2
ME1
ME3

[JonathonPR]

ME1 Still play periodically. All DLC
ME2 completed 8 or 9 times before I sold it. All DLC
ME3 Will not touch. Played demo and read leaked script.

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

JonathonPR wrote...

ME1 Still play periodically. All DLC
ME2 completed 8 or 9 times before I sold it. All DLC
ME3 Will not touch. Played demo and read leaked script.

Honestly if I had the hindsight I'd have probably done the same as you with respect to Mass Effect 3, since I didn't really gain anything substantial from playing it and I had to position myself in a situation where Origin was forced upon me, a situation I would have liked to avoid. Nevertheless, it is what it is.

And I agree Mass Effect 1...amazing.

[ImperatorMortis]

I like ME2 the most. 

Modifié par ImperatorMortis, 24 mars 2012 - 10:50 .

[Zkyire]

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Simple question, think long and hard, and explain your reasoning if you please.

They all had similarities and differences in approach, you can rank/compare them in any way you please, just want to know what you all thought.

For me it was Mass Effect 1, since it was the original concept, featured a very well defined series of foes, be it Saren, Sovereign, The Matriarch, the Geth etc. The graphics and combat were executed well, and despite bugs/glitches the game itself was solid. The story was tight and coherent, the cast of characters both in your party and within the universe was diverse, there was LOTS of sidequesting material and insane amounts of customization. Had freeroam elements both space and in the Mako . The battle sequences were all memorable and the events were cohesive to the main story. The choices you made had great impact on the outcomes of the game, and the final sequence itself was a masterpiece, the memory of scaling the citadel council tower will always be in my mind, as will the giant space battle that took place during. Sovereign was also one of the most intriguing foes as well, and his puppet Saren, and how the story seemed to shift between you and them very in depth. And again the geth made an amazing adversary, as well as all the other races you managed to fight throughout the course of the game. Overall I just loved it and its probably my favorite game of all time, and that is a title I don't bestow lightly.

So how about you? Which is your favorite?

Poll http://social.biowar...79/polls/30489/

Mass Effect 3.

When the fleet jumps into the Sol system and fires their first salvos against the Reaper fleet.

The moment they killed one of the Reapers that quickly, I actually cheered "Yeah, kill those Reaper ****s!"

..I never cheer.

Modifié par Zkyire, 24 mars 2012 - 10:53 .

[DaJe]

Mozts wrote...

I don't know why people care so much about "exploration". To explore means walk around empty spaces doing nothing.

Planet scanning was good thing. You could actually see the change after a time in the scanner. Upgrades kick in, better weapons, new heavy weapons, stronger powers and you will find really good side missions, not just some enemies in generic building with the same Mako cutscene.

Also, Mass Effect 2 has way more interesting characters than both ME1 and ME3. Squad-mates with background story, personality and opinion. Even the playmate, Miranda, had something to talk about.

Lost literally dozens of hours talking with Legion, Thane, Joker, EDI, Jack, Grunt, Mordin... I smiled at Zaeed stories. Kelly Chambers really surprised me. Mordin made me laugh with his music(and STD advice). Even smaller characters like Aria T'Loak, Kal'Reegar, Daro'Xen, Vas Quib Quib, Matriarch Aethyta, Urdnot Mechanic, Ratch and even Urz, the Varren were interesting characters. No game has done what ME2 did with characters. Thats why everyboy cries with Mordin in ME3.

Don't get me started on technical aspects... I will give one thing tough, I still get the chills with Sovereign. "I am the Vanguard of your destruction".

To explore means finding points of interest by your self within the game world rather than the game telling you "you are the player here take this and do this". It feels more natural and more immersive. And while things might not always be presented perfectly due to resource limitations, human imagination can fill any gap if only you let it and train it.

When ME2 sends me through linear corridor levels that are clearly fabricated for me the player as the center of the unrealistic universe and every door is closed and locked behind me for no reason it becomes harder to take the game world serious.

The problem with the characters in ME2 is that there were too many and BW had to little resources to make them come to life. They don't interact and percieve anything other than Shepard, again as the center of the universe. The few situations where they actually talk to one another or react to something that happens in the game world feels almost forced because it is so rare.

Although in ME1 the characters don't feel nearly as alive as in Dragon Age: Origins, which was a complete masterpiece in that regard, it was more elaborate and generally active than in ME2. In ME2 every character feels like a detached mindless bot in combat and "exploration" while appearing like a carefully fleshed out character in personal dialog with Shepard. The two layers are so detached that it comes across as fake. Just think about the possibilities for friendships, romance or rivalry among the crew. Everyone stands in their spot and only talks too Shepard all game long with the exception of the two predictable Jack/Miranda and Legion/Tali confrontations.
It is not a crew, it doesn't feel alive.
And I'm not even arguing how awesome the individual characters are, because I really like all of them. But they don't add up to a consistent and organic experience as in DA:O and even ME1, simply because they are clearly seperated pieces of the whole.

[krol146]

Mass Effect 3 is probably my favorite, with ME1 very close behind. I loved 2 as well, but its a bit behind the others in my book.

[johndoe1964z]

I would say ME2, because that's what introduced me to this fantastic series. I played it through about 8 times on the PS3, and loved it so much that I would continuously play it again trying different things.

At that time I started reading about "modding" the games on Xbox, so I went out and bought one along with ME1. I knew that I loved part 2, and I wanted to play the whole series through on the Xbox so that's what I'm doing now. Yes, I bought ME2 for Xbox too, and have had a blast with the mods.

I'm only half way through ME3 at the time, so I can't really compare it yet to the other two. I liked ME1 a lot, but I still like ME2 better. As for ME3, it started off kind of slowly, but the story has gotten much better lately. I know all about the story's end, and I'll judge that when I get to it.

That all said, this will easily take the place as my favorite game series of all time. Every one has been a lot of hours of fun, and a joy to play. I'm hoping that there will be more ME games in the future, with these characters....

ME rules!

[tanisha__unknown]

ME1>ME3>ME2

I'm not much of a shooter fan and have been interested in the ME series rather for story telling and athmosphere than for the action parts.

The story of ME1 was way better than the one of ME2. Since they changed from the dark energy plot to the present one, ME2 does not make a lot of sense. ME3's story is great, except for the final minutes, which, however, ruin everything, at least for me.

I think I liked the side missions in ME1 best. Okay, it was always like drive your mako above some planet surface to a facility, which looked always the same and had the same enemies in it (I think it was actually three types of facilities: the  mine type, the sort of rectangular building and the round building), but you could actually explore a new planet!!!
In ME2  you're placed in some ruins or building slauhter mercs., in ME3 it's the same with different enemies. Plus I HATE PLANETSCANNING!!!!

Some improvements in gameplay were made in ME2, such as the inventory overflow problem (ME3 is the best part in this respect) and I very much liked the interrupt-options.

Renegade vs Paragon: I think they differed most in ME1, granting a totally different outcome, whereas in ME3 often just the tone changes.

So, since story and athmosphere are most important to me, it's ME1

[Doppelgaenger]

With the ME 3 ending:
2>1>3
Without:
3>2>1

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

Jinx1720 wrote...

ME1>ME3>ME2

I'm not much of a shooter fan and have been interested in the ME series rather for story telling and athmosphere than for the action parts.

The story of ME1 was way better than the one of ME2. Since they changed from the dark energy plot to the present one, ME2 does not make a lot of sense. ME3's story is great, except for the final minutes, which, however, ruin everything, at least for me.

I think I liked the side missions in ME1 best. Okay, it was always like drive your mako above some planet surface to a facility, which looked always the same and had the same enemies in it (I think it was actually three types of facilities: the  mine type, the sort of rectangular building and the round building), but you could actually explore a new planet!!!
In ME2  you're placed in some ruins or building slauhter mercs., in ME3 it's the same with different enemies. Plus I HATE PLANETSCANNING!!!!

Some improvements in gameplay were made in ME2, such as the inventory overflow problem (ME3 is the best part in this respect) and I very much liked the interrupt-options.

Renegade vs Paragon: I think they differed most in ME1, granting a totally different outcome, whereas in ME3 often just the tone changes.

So, since story and athmosphere are most important to me, it's ME1

Yep I'm a story driven fan myself, and ME1 does the best job of immersion, I mean they create atmosphere by putting regions where people were trapped on Noveria or what have you, lacing combat into unexpected areas and surprising the gamer as well as challenging them...damn I miss that game...when I have time I'm definitely replaying ME1.

[Akka le Vil]

Easily ME2.
ME1 had terse dialogues and horrible gameplay - frankly, the fighting was annoying with the overly-enduring foes, and I LOATHED the Mako. It had a the best defined universe though.
ME3 felt just too much Hollywood, too railroaded and lacking in choice.
ME2 had tons of characters and dialogues and felt much more involving.

Modifié par Akka le Vil, 24 mars 2012 - 11:40 .

[da mighty rEAper]

MASS EFFECT 3

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-dialogue choices are lot less but differ greatly compared to rest of the trilogy
-better controls(cover usage, running, tumbles)
-character relationship feels more alive( both between crew members and shep with his/her LI )

}(-){

-story is silly (that crucible **** is so dumb)
-tailored for multiplayer
-retarded and uninteresting sidequests(eavesdropping)
-plot of other trilogy games was changed for some retarded( or just extremely bad executed) technological singularity idea
-despite refusing they still failed with day one dlc, as to there is no reason to not include such valuable content in the game
-reapers are dumb (oh hi dere Sovereign)
-Cerberus and TIM storywise potential is COMPLETELY WASTED
-retarded antagonist (that asian assassin is so retarded, i almost felt like i was watching some stupid anime)

thats not all

[AlienSpaceBats]

ME1 was magic.
ME2 had its moments, the suicide mission was/is phenomenal.
ME3 has a few moments, though most are pre-rendered cutscenes.

[Han Shot First]

Mass Effect 3, until the last 5 minutes.

[Get Magna Carter]

haven't quite finished 3 (but according to some people I'm at the point it's best to stop)
Overall prefer ME1
reasons
1) I prefer RPGs to shooters
2) The story is better structured to the follow-ups (ME2 is too piecemeal, ME3 lacks proper direction especially in build-up to the end)
3) while frustrating at times the Mako could be fun

[Jebediah Springfield]

ME1 the discussion with the Reaper.
ME2 the Collector ship and suicide mission.
ME3 the dream sequences.

[Jebediah Springfield]

That said, ME2 was likely my favourite because of the intensity of missions and the immersion. The music and frightening atmosphere really made it worth replaying. And the Collectors were the best enemies. This hurts you. ME1 was great because of the story and how open it was. It seemed larger, but the gameplay at times made it a struggle to replay. Repetitive landscapes and every side mission in the same building is a bit frustrating.

Shadow Broker and whatever that digital noise mission DLC was, both some of the best missions in the trilogy. I don't think anything in ME3 lived up to that. I'm replaying now but I had the feeling on first playthrough that 90% of the missions were way too short. Like dumbed down, kids on ADHD meds short.

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

Jebediah Springfield wrote...

ME1 the discussion with the Reaper.
ME2 the Collector ship and suicide mission.
ME3 the dream sequences.

I wasn't a fan of the dream sequences to be honest, was one of the aspects I disliked since it kind of forced you into this weird predetermined scenario, taking the power from the player.

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

Get Magna Carter wrote...

haven't quite finished 3 (but according to some people I'm at the point it's best to stop)
Overall prefer ME1
reasons
1) I prefer RPGs to shooters
2) The story is better structured to the follow-ups (ME2 is too piecemeal, ME3 lacks proper direction especially in build-up to the end)
3) while frustrating at times the Mako could be fun

Yep, I suppose though ME1 was a sign of the old era, where open exploration and character developement made it an RPG.

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

Reapers going to reap...hate to bump but I would like a sample size of around 1000 at least.

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

Shameless bump for more data.