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[Dark83]

F-C wrote...

well if i doubt i would buy a movie called 'the hangover' for my niece for instance.

on the other hand if i was at the store and she presented me with a box game called "dragon age:origins" and i glanced at it, saw it was a role-playing game with swords and sorcery, and saw the mature label i would assume its because it has some blood and violence in it. i would probably think thats ok, because honestly you see violence in a movie like Shrek.

then when i walked in and saw some sex scene going on and her sitting there drooling over the screen and being like "omg omg omg" i might get a little freaked out about it.


you just have to take things in context, and thats how it really is, and thats why it gets so much attention.

Well see, there's the fault right there, and it's yours. It would be your fault (or in the context of the discussion, the parents) who don't actually see what they're getting. It is not the responsibilty of the corporations, government, or public to raise your children.

[johnnywillow]

F-C wrote...


then when i walked in and saw some sex scene going on and her sitting there drooling over the screen and being like "omg omg omg" i might get a little freaked out about it.


you just have to take things in context, and thats how it really is, and thats why it gets so much attention.

Drooling over pixel sex...really? Have you watched tv lately?
She's either going to be too young to fully understand the scene or she will be old enough that she's probably laugh her ars off.

Modifié par johnnywillow, 01 décembre 2009 - 08:08 .

[Banana Muffin]

Solica wrote...

Well - Here's what I think about Sweden's supposed "400 years of make love not war". That's total hogwash. I don't know if Sweden have all the world records, but the figures are pretty mindboggling for a nation that still exists. Sweden has had 200 years of peace yes, roughly since the Napoleon wars ended 1809. (Politically, that's so, geographically not so, since Finland was originally a part of Sweden.) But before 1809, there was almost only war. Since the break of the ancient Danish-Swedish unified kingdom back in... I don't know exactly, 1300-something?, Sweden was in almost continuos war, mostly with Denmark and Russia, but Holland, Polen and the entire catholic Europe, during the religoius wars, got their share. I believe I saw written somewhere, that but for a few weeks here and there, Sweden would have been continuosly in war for 400 years. And that for more than a whole century, 100 years, 'killed in war'  amounted to 75% of all causes of death. I haven't checked these figures, but I'm reasonably sure I read that somewhere, sometime.
(It's tempting to speculate that the 'cold', reserved behavior that is supposed to be typically swedish, is a result of the gene-pool being cleansed of every hot-head. And maybe the 200 years of peace since, also maybe has something to do with this.)

Relax, it was a joke..

[Darpaek]

Solica wrote...

I'm hardly an expert on porn, but it seems porn these days is truly disgustingly abusive and degrading (and maybe american porn in particular? If so why?).

I consider myself somewhat of a connoisseur.  American mainstream pornography is pretty shiny and dull (not that there aren't notable exceptions).  If you really want to seek depravity you have to look toward the Orient or eastern Europe and Russia.

[MerinTB]

Darpaek wrote...

No, you're not claiming superiority. Your passive-aggressive European snide sensibilities simply belies it in every dispersion cast on American society.

I, on the other hand, am claiming superiority - clearly, openly, and honestly.

You just don't understand - and you NEVER will. We built a society based upon everyone looking out for their own interests. America is built on the concept that when everyone seeks out their own liberty, we all become more free. Kinda like how free markets and capitalism work (not that Europeans would understand that, either...).

It's not zero-sum. It's not the "corporations" teaming up with the "government" to crush us all down. We established a government to arbitrate disputes between persons with conflicting liberties - not to articulate what those liberties can and can not be. Your European perspective cannot begin to even comprehend our society or the role the government we created plays in it.

Wow - just - wow.

Woo, mods, I changed my mind - let's lock this thread.

Or else this American is about to go off on a soapbox about how "great" capitalism is.:innocent:

- uhm, the quotes around great imply sarcasm

So, who'd rather talk about the bad underwear they tossed on Morrigan?

[F-C]

addiction21 wrote...

 So a video game with blood all over the boxed labeled mature and you think its content is going to be similar to a childs movie rated PG?

thats not what i was saying, at all. some of you trolls are just so block headed. i said i would assume it had blood and violence in it, did i not. the reference to shrek was just pointing out that how even a movie for toddlers will have violence in it, and its not such a huge deal if thats all it entails. grats on using your brain there chieftain.

anyways i think its rather sad the number of people who want 'nudity and sex' in their games when i sit back and think about it really.

i mean to turn your logic around you, its just pixels and images on the screen, so why do you need it there so badly to have some enjoyment in your game. its not a cool boss with new tactics to learn on how to beat. its not some awesome puzzle to figure out. it really has nothing to do with a game being fun or enjoyable.

so you are arguing because you want to buy soft porn in the form of a video game? really?

classy people indeed.

Modifié par F-C, 01 décembre 2009 - 08:03 .

[Darpaek]

Bring it on. =P

[johnnywillow]

MerinTB wrote...

Darpaek wrote...

No, you're not claiming superiority. Your passive-aggressive European snide sensibilities simply belies it in every dispersion cast on American society.

I, on the other hand, am claiming superiority - clearly, openly, and honestly.

You just don't understand - and you NEVER will. We built a society based upon everyone looking out for their own interests. America is built on the concept that when everyone seeks out their own liberty, we all become more free. Kinda like how free markets and capitalism work (not that Europeans would understand that, either...).

It's not zero-sum. It's not the "corporations" teaming up with the "government" to crush us all down. We established a government to arbitrate disputes between persons with conflicting liberties - not to articulate what those liberties can and can not be. Your European perspective cannot begin to even comprehend our society or the role the government we created plays in it.

Wow - just - wow.

Woo, mods, I changed my mind - let's lock this thread.

Or else this American is about to go off on a soapbox about how "great" capitalism is.:innocent:

- uhm, the quotes around great imply sarcasm

So, who'd rather talk about the bad underwear they tossed on Morrigan?

Didn't you know USA is number 1?

[thegreateski]

MerinTB wrote...

Darpaek wrote...

No, you're not claiming superiority. Your passive-aggressive European snide sensibilities simply belies it in every dispersion cast on American society.

I, on the other hand, am claiming superiority - clearly, openly, and honestly.

You just don't understand - and you NEVER will. We built a society based upon everyone looking out for their own interests. America is built on the concept that when everyone seeks out their own liberty, we all become more free. Kinda like how free markets and capitalism work (not that Europeans would understand that, either...).

It's not zero-sum. It's not the "corporations" teaming up with the "government" to crush us all down. We established a government to arbitrate disputes between persons with conflicting liberties - not to articulate what those liberties can and can not be. Your European perspective cannot begin to even comprehend our society or the role the government we created plays in it.

Wow - just - wow.

Woo, mods, I changed my mind - let's lock this thread.

Or else this American is about to go off on a soapbox about how "great" capitalism is.:innocent:

- uhm, the quotes around great imply sarcasm

So, who'd rather talk about the bad underwear they tossed on Morrigan?

Capitalism is awesome.
If you're rich.

As for other topics, lets discuss why cheesy bread is the best thing since sliced bread.

Those who say you can't live on bread and water alone have obivously never had cheesy bread!

Though i suppose we would need milk for that as well.

[pathenry]

Dark83 wrote...
The more you oppress something the more tempting it is, and the more ignorance of how to do such a thing safely.
Hence the relatively high teen pregnancy/STD issue in America

No, no, no.

True sexual "repression" was back in the 1950s and before. And what were the pregnancy rates and STDs then compared to now? *Monstrously* lower. (Plus, I doubt that millions of unborn babies were Hoovered out back then as they are now.)

But now that younger and younger kids are bombarded with sex from every possible angle, what happens? Pregnancy, abortion, and smelly-rotten-crotch cases skyrocket. Seeing one rogue boob in one video game isn't going to flip a switch in some kid that drives him to go have sex. But being constantly bombarded with sex in everything he sees or hears might have *some* effect, no?

[F-C]

as far as the people claiming its ignorance, then dont you see why it should have an explicit labeling system there?

dont put a little 'mature rated' label in the corner, put a big fat sticker plastered all over the box that makes it explicitly clear that it contains nudity and sexual situations and your problems are solved.

you realize at one time there wasnt a warning on plastic buckets for children, then a child fell in one and drowned, and now every plastic bucket has a warning of a possible child drowning hazard. you could argue that the parent shouldnt have been so ignorant as to let it happen, but the warning is still there on every new bucket made today.

Modifié par F-C, 01 décembre 2009 - 08:04 .

[Creature 1]

GODzilla_GSPB wrote...

I voted "Adult video games are for adults, so no." I still don't understand why many americans agree that sex is a bad bad thing, while violence is okay. Better show your 6 year old how to shoot with a gun, but keep him unaware of women and sex until he's at least 30. -.-

I think you were trying to make some kind of analogy, but it doesn't parse.  Are you saying firearms are inherently violent? 

I learned how to shoot when I was 6.  Or younger.    Number of murders/assaults:  0. 

[Magaloo]

MerinTB wrote...
So, who'd rather talk about the bad underwear they tossed on Morrigan?

That they tossed on everyone!  It looks itchy and not supportive.  Also it apparently gives everyone wedgies. 

[Darpaek]

And I've never fired a gun in my life and have no desire to.



Number of murders: 0 Number of assaults: 0+. =D

[Banana Muffin]

F-C wrote...

anyways i think its rather sad the number of people who want 'nudity and sex' in their games when i sit back and think about it really.

i mean to turn your logic around you, its just pixels and images on the screen, so why do you need it there so badly to have some enjoyment in your game. its not a cool boss with new tactics to learn on how to beat. its not some awesome puzzle to figure out. it really has nothing to do with a game being fun or enjoyable.

so you are arguing because you want to buy soft porn in the form of a video game? really?

classy people indeed.

Why is this sad and why is this any worse than people who want the bloodspatter. I don't need nudity and sex in my video games, but done right I can appreciate it. Why should I be ashamed about that?
Watching pixelated sex might not have anything to do with fun and enjoyment to you, but maybe it does to me and who are you to judge me?

I want more naked Alistair dammit!

Modifié par Banana Muffin, 01 décembre 2009 - 08:59 .

[MartinJHolm]

Darpaek wrote...

No, you're not claiming superiority. Your passive-aggressive European snide sensibilities simply belies it in every dispersion cast on American society.

I, on the other hand, am claiming superiority - clearly, openly, and honestly.

You just don't understand - and you NEVER will. We built a society based upon everyone looking out for their own interests. America is built on the concept that when everyone seeks out their own liberty, we all become more free. Kinda like how free markets and capitalism work (not that Europeans would understand that, either...).

It's not zero-sum. It's not the "corporations" teaming up with the "government" to crush us all down. We established a government to arbitrate disputes between persons with conflicting liberties - not to articulate what those liberties can and can not be. Your European perspective cannot begin to even comprehend our society or the role the government we created plays in it.

Is it allowed to call people idiots on this forum?

If not I wont.

Modifié par MartinJHolm, 01 décembre 2009 - 08:09 .

[DM Veil]

My 2 cents, for what it's worth.



I didn't buy this game for the romance and sexual themes in it. I knew they existed and for the most part I've ignored them because I don't care for that kind of thing for my entertainment. I enjoy the romance stories but I don't need to blatantly be told that they have sex in order to know and I wish sex wasn't so out in the open in today's games. I really don't care if it's everywhere else, I don't think that's any reason to do it here too. The same goes for the graphic fatalities, don't need all the blood and gore to entertain me. I think it's a sad fact that in today's world everyone is just so nonchalant about sex and violence and I think it's that attitude that only adds to it popping up more and more in today's forms of entertainment.

[Banana Muffin]

Magaloo wrote...

MerinTB wrote...
So, who'd rather talk about the bad underwear they tossed on Morrigan?

That they tossed on everyone!  It looks itchy and not supportive.  Also it apparently gives everyone wedgies. 

By the way doesn't anyone find it strange how Bioware claims that they put underware on the models since that's more tasteful and yet they actually spent time modeling the females with camel toes. Exactly how is a ****** tasteful?

[-Area51-Silent]

F-C



Its not just about the pixles or the nudity in the game, its people trying to advocate what should and should not be accepted into the gaming media. It should be the choice of the developers to put it in as part of the immersive aspect of the game without drawing a lot of fire. It's important because its an infringment on a fundamental freedom of expression. Who are you to decide the moral content of a game for anyone but yourself and those you are responsible for?



Turning it further from what you said earlier, if you choose to not be responsible and look at why a game or movie is rated a certain way, its not the game companies or the movie companies fault for your children view that matierial either. YOU decided that YOU did not want to spend the time to learn more about what YOU were explosing YOUR children to. so the only common thing I can see there is YOU.

[F-C]

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

F-C wrote...

as far as the people claiming its ignorance, then dont you see why it should have an explicit labeling system there?

dont put a little 'mature rated' label in the corner, put a big fat sticker plastered all over the box that makes it explicitly clear that it contains nudity and sexual situations and your problems are solved.

you realize at one time there wasnt a warning on plastic buckets for children, then a child fell in one and drowned, and now every plastic bucket has a warning of a possible child drowning hazard. you could argue that the parent shouldnt have been so ignorant as to let it happen, but the warning is still there on every new bucket made today.

It is ignorance because THE LABEL IS THERE.  On the front of the box, and on the back of the box with further detail on the content of the game.

You can't compare to when things did not have a label because GAMES HAVE A LABEL, and they're just as clear as warning labels used for any other commercial media product.

what im saying is they need to classify games as above mature rated that have nudity and sex.

the current rating system on games is poor. everything above a toddlers game basically is mature rated.

it needs to be reclassified if you want to have your soft-porn games.

it needs another rating above mature, such as Explicit.

it needs to be more clear so that your ignorance excuse is actually valid, and thats why you should support the idea.

Modifié par F-C, 01 décembre 2009 - 08:14 .

[Darpaek]

MartinJHolm wrote...

Is it allowed to call people idiots on this forum?

I never used that word, and observing an ability to comprehend a concept should not be given a normative, right?

For example, I could never comprehend the notion of running for help to an authority figure.  I don't think lesser of myself because I don't understand this.

[MartinJHolm]

Darpaek wrote...

I never used that word

I never said you did



HELLO MODERATOR CAN WE GET A LOCK ON THIS.

Modifié par MartinJHolm, 01 décembre 2009 - 08:16 .

[-Area51-Silent]

Seams pretty clear, when it says Ages M +17 , not for children under the age of 17. As for the size of the lable, I am pretty sure I can see it on all 3 boxes clear as day.

If you arn't willing to read, its your fault, stop trying to justify reasons why you cannot control what your children see. You want to know whats in a game and exactly what the content is, www.ign.com is your friend.

[Banana Muffin]

F-C wrote...

what im saying is they need to classify games as above mature rated that have nudity and sex.

the current rating system on games is poor. everything above a toddlers game basically is mature rated.

it needs to be reclassified if you want to have your soft-porn games.

it needs another rating above mature, such as Explicit.

it needs to be more clear so that your ignorance excuse is actually valid, and thats why you should support the idea.

No this is not the problem. There is a rating above mature,  AO. The problem is no game developer dares make AO games since then stores like Wallmart wont sell them. The problem is americans prissy and hypocrital attitude towards sex and nudity.