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[Darpaek]

As a Speech Communications minor when I was an undergrad, I would be REALLY impressed if you used the latin names for all those fallacies... =D

Edit:  WTF is John Thomas?  http://en.wikipedia....iki/John_Thomas

Modifié par Darpaek, 01 décembre 2009 - 09:25 .

[Dark83]

F-C wrote...
the reference to shrek was just pointing out that how even a movie for toddlers will have violence in it, and its not such a huge deal if thats all it entails.

Shrek is for toddlers?
Shrek is rated PG, "Parental Guidance Suggested. Some Material May Not Be Suitable For Children."
Good parenting there, chief. Toddlers should be watching G-rated films, if you're not going to bother to be a parent and check over what you're exposing them to.

Edit:

Darpaek wrote...

As a Speech Communications minor when I
was an undergrad, I would be REALLY impressed if you used the latin
names for all those fallacies... =D

But that would require
effort. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/pouty.png[/smilie]

Modifié par Dark83, 01 décembre 2009 - 09:25 .

[Templar Vilmon]

@ BM - I was on another forum and several Dutch posters were talking about a law in the Netherlands that makes it illegal to insult their queen. I have no idea if the law is taken seriously, but I'll take the Dutch posters' word that it exists.

[DM Veil]

johnnywillow wrote...

Time to fire up NWN1 with the jiggy pack

Best random post, made me lol

[chuckles471]

Sorry British thing

John Thomas= the meat from the meat and two veg.

[Banana Muffin]

chuckles471 wrote...
 I was bought the first GTA for my 11th birthday from my mum and I have never run over a group of Hare Krishnas.

But didn't the thought ever cross your mind?
I must admit that I can never meet a group of Hare Krishnas without seeing a big GOURANGA! before my inner eye.

[Fluffykeith]

Um...personally I think its not the sex-scenes-where-you-dont-see-anything-anyway thats the big problem.....its the hideously corny music that plays during them...

[ModForFun]

All I can do is face palm.

As a parent of five spoiled rotten brats myself I will say that if your nieces kids are not old enough to see nudity then they are definately not old enough to swear or to be exposed to those things. Second it is entirely poor parenting to buy anything for your kids be it music, movies books or video games without first doing a bit of homework of your own and finding out what its all about.

The Mature rating should have been enough of a red flag all on its own but even then A quick look online could have told your niece that hey maybe this isnt such a hot thing to buy the kids. Asking a store employee probably could have accomplished this as well, only poor parenting puts a game like DA into the hands of children. Parents need to stop passing the buck and take an active role in thier kids lives.

Modifié par ModForFun, 01 décembre 2009 - 09:32 .

[Banana Muffin]

Templar Vilmon wrote...

@ BM - I was on another forum and several Dutch posters were talking about a law in the Netherlands that makes it illegal to insult their queen. I have no idea if the law is taken seriously, but I'll take the Dutch posters' word that it exists.

Ok well then take my word that most Europeans will still find this just as weird as the average american.

[Numbnumb27]

My character just achieved Master Warden.

Is Master Warden better than Master Baiter?

[Solica]

F-C wrote...

you just completly ignore that any game with even something as minor as a cuss word or an explosion in it will get labeled as mature.

I have to say that I thought this was a very good point (though I doubt it's strictly true). But still, regardless of the fact that I don't really need or want sex in games like DA:O, either, the fact remains that it's impossible to censor an entire branch of culture from anything some persons think their children should not come into contact with. Videogames are no different from books, movies, whatever.
It's not only that the idea to censor the entire society, from anything one group of parents thinks their kids should not see, is plain ridiculous and completely unacceptable, there also follows the question: Which other groups do you also accommodate? Maybe some religious nuts takes offense to depicting live creatures in images? (many do, you know).

Sweeping accomodation of any group's interests, is simply not acceptable in a society that aims towards intellectual and cultural freedom. (And if any group, why not all? But then literally everything would be forbidden. ) 

As difficult as they may find it, parents simply have to do what they feel is their best. It has alwasy been so. And there has never been a perfect parent. Seems we are mostly surviving, for a while, good enough for bringing about a new generation, at least.

[Darpaek]

The meat FROM the meat FROM two veggies?? WTF?!



If I hadn't seen Austin Powers, I would have no comprehension of what you just said...

[jinix the younger]

How ridiculous to worry about your kid seeing nudity/sex while violence is common and accepted by parents as normal and doesn't bare a second thought!



Levels of violence is considered "suitable" for their age.

Yelling, screaming and falling on your ass, is considered okay for tots.

War and murder are okay for small children.

Add blood and gore for the next age group.

Wait'll they are 18 for the sex part.

In other words; to keep the status quo, raise your kids on violence and hide them from sex until the first 25% of their lives are over, then spring it on them in full pornographic color!

... then spend the rest of your life watching the results on the news at ten.

[ModForFun]

jinix the younger wrote...

... then spend the rest of your life watching the results on the news at ten.

All to true

[montana_boy]

The romance (sex) feature in DAO is as about as tastefully done as can be.

It drives me furious when up-tite, thin liped parents and politicians get on their high horse about sex or violence or language in games.  RockStar has been beaten to a pulp by these kinds of fools and still manage to stick it to em with the GTA franchise.  Way to go RS and way to go BioW. 

Freedom of speech does not end at a computer/console display.  And knotheads who scream about establishing a rating system have one but for some lame-brain reason refuse to accept it.  What kind of parent would allow their 9-year old to play "Kingpin."  But they buy this type of game for little Dick and Jane and then go ballistic when they hear the language.

Meanwhile the up-tites precious little darlings are in public schools learning how to use a condom.

[maikanix]

ModForFun wrote...

All I can do is face palm.

As a parent of five spoiled rotten brats myself I will say that if your nieces kids are not old enough to see nudity then they are definately not old enough to swear or to be exposed to those things. Second it is entirely poor parenting to buy anything for your kids be it music, movies books or video games without first doing a bit of homework of your own and finding out what its all about.

The Mature rating should have been enough of a red flag all on its own but even then A quick look online could have told your niece that hey maybe this isnt such a hot thing to buy the kids. Asking a store employee probably could have accomplished this as well, only poor parenting puts a game like DA into the hands of children. Parents need to stop passing the buck and take an active role in thier kids lives.

Not sure, but from my own life I'd have to say that they "LA LA CAN'T HEAR YOU" approach to parenting, in other words the sticking your kids heads into sand approach, the 'ostrich' method if you will, can be just as bad. In my mind there's nothing 'wrong' with sex, only sex in the wrong context. Nothing 'wrong' with violence', just violence in the wrong context. Repression style parenting isn't always 'good' parenting. In fact it may be better to expose children to these things earlier, so long as you provide a positive context. Otherwise they'll learning it in a poor context, they'll just learn it when they're older. Also it's not an 'active role' if you're just deciding what they can and cannot watch. That's a domineering role. If you want to participate in their lives, buy them the games they want - that their friends have (since they are culturally relevant) but provide active context to what they're playing and what they're watching. Evading the issues isn't solving it. You have to engage with the issue.

As far as violence being bad, I'm starting to disagree with that idea. Because everyone has violent urges at one time or another. Repressing them just leads to passive-aggressive or self-destructive behavior. It's better to channel the anger somewhere else, somewhere that's preferably not harmful. Even if it's in TV or Videogames. People will be violent with or without images that display violence. The cure for violence is reduced stress levels, and empathy. Not repression via the control of art.

As for sex being worse, well; all I'll say is that this is really a culture problem. We're repressed in that area. Even though our culture is obsessed with sex, our obsession is just a symptom of repression. If we really accepted sex as a part of our lives, we wouldn't be obsessed - it wouldn't be everywhere in the media. People wouldn't be rushing to pay for it, because they would have the real thing. The cure for the obsession with sex is an acceptance of sex, not an obsession with it as either a negative or a positive thing.

[durasteel]

It is remarkable that this game has graphic beheading and evisceration, cannibalism, rape, slavery, prostitution, implied bestiality, and the character spends a significant amount of time covered in gore... but the real issue that determines the maturity rating seems to be the consensual physical intimacy between characters who have developed a romantic relationship over a span of time and who care for one another (or are strongly suggested to do so) in a significant and substantial way.



What the hell? "Son, you better cut her head off before she shows you her boobies..."



Am I the only one that thinks that kids are fine knowing where babies come from and what humans generally look like without clothes on, but really don't need to be confronted with issues of violent, painful, and gory death at the hands of another person until they're quite a bit older? I guess I must have some pretty aberrant standards.

[ModForFun]

maikanix wrote...

ModForFun wrote...

All I can do is face palm.

As a parent of five spoiled rotten brats myself I will say that if your nieces kids are not old enough to see nudity then they are definately not old enough to swear or to be exposed to those things. Second it is entirely poor parenting to buy anything for your kids be it music, movies books or video games without first doing a bit of homework of your own and finding out what its all about.

The Mature rating should have been enough of a red flag all on its own but even then A quick look online could have told your niece that hey maybe this isnt such a hot thing to buy the kids. Asking a store employee probably could have accomplished this as well, only poor parenting puts a game like DA into the hands of children. Parents need to stop passing the buck and take an active role in thier kids lives.

Not sure, but from my own life I'd have to say that they "LA LA CAN'T HEAR YOU" approach to parenting, in other words the sticking your kids heads into sand approach, the 'ostrich' method if you will, can be just as bad. In my mind there's nothing 'wrong' with sex, only sex in the wrong context. Nothing 'wrong' with violence', just violence in the wrong context. Repression style parenting isn't always 'good' parenting. In fact it may be better to expose children to these things earlier, so long as you provide a positive context. Otherwise they'll learning it in a poor context, they'll just learn it when they're older. Also it's not an 'active role' if you're just deciding what they can and cannot watch. That's a domineering role. If you want to participate in their lives, buy them the games they want - that their friends have (since they are culturally relevant) but provide active context to what they're playing and what they're watching. Evading the issues isn't solving it. You have to engage with the issue.

As far as violence being bad, I'm starting to disagree with that idea. Because everyone has violent urges at one time or another. Repressing them just leads to passive-aggressive or self-destructive behavior. It's better to channel the anger somewhere else, somewhere that's preferably not harmful. Even if it's in TV or Videogames. People will be violent with or without images that display violence. The cure for violence is reduced stress levels, and empathy. Not repression via the control of art.

As for sex being worse, well; all I'll say is that this is really a culture problem. We're repressed in that area. Even though our culture is obsessed with sex, our obsession is just a symptom of repression. If we really accepted sex as a part of our lives, we wouldn't be obsessed - it wouldn't be everywhere in the media. People wouldn't be rushing to pay for it, because they would have the real thing. The cure for the obsession with sex is an acceptance of sex, not an obsession with it as either a negative or a positive thing.

I wasnt trying to state that a parent shouldnt let them have a game just based on the rating, that it includes violence or may have nudity. I was trying to drive home the point that parents need to do thier own homework on what exactly they are buying for thier kids. What we as parents buy or do not buy for our kids comes down to our prefrence being ignorant of the contents is no excuse for a parent IMO.

It's our jobs to be the parents not Biowares, we are the ones who are responsable for our children not Bioware so spending a few moments to learn about something our kids want is not to much to ask.

[Banana Muffin]

montana_boy wrote...

The romance (sex) feature in DAO is as about as tastefully done as can be.

I really don't agree. Wearing underwear while having sex is not tasteful, it's tacky.

[Creature 1]

Banana Muffin wrote...

What country has a law about not insulting the royal family?

Thailand for one, and they're serious about it. 

[Banana Muffin]

Creature 1 wrote...

Banana Muffin wrote...

What country has a law about not insulting the royal family?

Thailand for one, and they're serious about it. 

Since when is Thailand a European country?

[Creature 1]

durasteel wrote...

It is remarkable that this game has graphic beheading and evisceration, cannibalism, rape, slavery, prostitution, implied bestiality, and the character spends a significant amount of time covered in gore...

I seem to have missed the graphic beheading, evisceration, and cannibalism, but I'm not done with the game yet.  

My characters don't spend any time at all covered in gore because I thought it looked more like they got between Jackson ****** and a canvas, so I turned it off. 

[Magaloo]

Banana Muffin wrote...

montana_boy wrote...

The romance (sex) feature in DAO is as about as tastefully done as can be.

I really don't agree. Wearing underwear while having sex is not tasteful, it's tacky.

Especially that kind of underwear.

[Nuegen]

Banana Muffin wrote...

Well where does this threat come from if I may ask?

Also it several scientific studies has pointed towards the fact that children who are exposed to a lot of violence become more violent themselves. And a society like USA that glorifies violence is more violent than a a society that does not. America has more violent crimes per capita than Sweden and a study also showed that american toddler where much more violent towards each other that swedish toddlers.

Correlation vs. Causation.  There are scientific studies pointing out correlation of violent children playing violent games.  Not violent games being the causation of children being more violent.
Thats like saying watching sports makes one play sports.  We all know thats not true.  People who like to watch sports, tend to watch sports.  Its scientific!

Less pirates = more violent storms.... correlation.  Sun, atmosphere, liquid, wind = more violent storms... causation.  Science is picky like that.

The same goes for anything.  Sex or violence in video games; all of it is just pandering to a certain demographic of the population that has a natural inclination to enjoy such things.  No child is going to be a monster for picking up a violent video game.... but a monster will more likely pick up a violent video game.  The same goes for the sexual aspect. 

What matters is that the child is taught how to deal with their emotions long before any game is introduced.

[Banana Muffin]

I like you Magaloo, will you be my friend?