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[Lughsan35]

There is so much stupid in the world. It astounds me that people that hate procreation still exist...

[Alexus_VG]

Going back to the basics if an 18+ movie can have full on nudity and sex scenes I don't see why it should be any different for games.

[Kaosgirl]

addiction21 wrote...

Kaosgirl wrote...

F-C wrote...

trying to discuss this issue with people in this thread is like trying to discuss why having a crack dealer on the street corner is bad to a bunch of crack heads. they will never understand, lol.

Trying to discuss this with you seems akin to trying to plan a high-school sex ed curriculum with an Amish community.

Is that a creative way to say that he has made little to no attempt to actualy discuss anything. That in fact what he has done is state his opnion, equate it to fact, then anyone who does not share his view is called a troll, moron, or crack addict?

If you were not trying to say that then never mind I just did

Perhaps, if one considers a difference between "discussing things" and "preaching at the heathens."

[GregorLightbringer]

Lughsan35 wrote...

There is so much stupid in the world. It astounds me that people that hate procreation still exist...

I don't think it's the procreation people hate, but the lustful practice of it that bares no "fruit". The purpose of sex is to have kids. Since it feels so good, people wanna do it for the sex and not the kids. It's like eating and drinking without ever having the later annoyance to go to the bathroom. Well............MAYBE that's a bad comparison, but I think the point is there.  

[-Area51-Chris_B]

F-C....



:facepalm: why do you continue to steal the oxygen the rest of us common-sense ****** sapiens need to exist? Someone needs to report you to the authorities. Ugh.

[GregorLightbringer]

-Area51-Chris_B wrote...

F-C....

:facepalm: why do you continue to steal the oxygen the rest of us common-sense ****** sapiens need to exist? Someone needs to report you to the authorities. Ugh.

Better to steal oxygen than to steal your girl to satisfy a need. Word. 

[Arcane Fury]

I wish people who are blatantly stupid and lazy couldn't be parents...there are too many children in screwed up homes where the parents have no control and produce little brats. I just agree with most here, why can't the stupid parents read the labels?

Modifié par Arcane Fury, 02 décembre 2009 - 07:06 .

[F-C]

lol people only serve to prove the analogy i made to crack heads and a crack dealer on the corner.

"we dont need a crack dealer on the corner" = "but we like our crack and dont care what you think, we are adults and we can do what we want"

"children could be buying that crack" = "what, are you a bad parent and dont watch your kid 24/7 and inspect everything on your own, its your own fault if he makes it to the corner to buy crack, the crack dealer is fine"

its just pointless to try and even discuss anything with the ignorance and one sided bias from these people. all they see is their own opinion and thats it.

there are many parents out there like my sister who did not choose to be a single parent with 2 children and a life so overwhelming she simply doesnt have the time to research every little detail of her kids life while working full time, paying bills, doing laundry, cooking, cleaning, doing the childrens activities, helping them with schoolwork, and the 100 other things she has to deal with on a nearly daily basis.

it just happened and she has to deal with the reality of life, which many of you obviously have never had to face.

all ive ever said is that there should be an "Explicit" label on the box that is above just the plain old "mature" that is tagged on any game that even has a gunshot or curse words in it, so she cant mistakenly buy an inappropriate package for her children.

the rating system for these games is ****** poor, everything is mature rated these days and she might as well just ban her kids from games altogether if she were to base everything off of that.

i mean look around, a game like borderlands is rated the same as this game. yet its shooting monsters with make believe guns, oh so harsh and all. i mean christ, its hardly worse than a bugs bunny cartoon really, lol.


but oh no, these crack heads have to get their panties in a wad over it and be like "bad parenting" and "you are stupid" and all this other nonsense.

its just ridiculous really.


but i digress, as i said earlier, trying to discuss this with these people who live these sheltered little lives so far away from the harsh reality of many peoples lives is about the same as trying to explain to a crackhead why crack dealers on a street corner is bad. they will never understand and only come up with excuses why its ok because they love their crack.

Modifié par F-C, 02 décembre 2009 - 07:52 .

[GHL_Soul_Reaver]

If the game is rated 18+ then I see no reason why it should not be there, sex is not bad it is good no matter what people think, also people should not the game if it is against there religion to show off let us say interesting scenes, just by the rating a 37 year old dad should not buy the game for his 14 year old boy or daughter or whatever and the complain about some of the stuff in game when it is labeled 18 years and up, it even comes with a warning on the back side of the cover.

Also for all the gore and whatsoever can be taken off.

Would rather suggest having more sex in games than lesser, it doesn't hurt anyone in particular and those whom complain about should simply just ready about what they are buying instead of just buying it living in a dream world where no such things happens either in movies.. tv series... comics/magazines and the likes.

Often people are so hollow inside expecting that weird things cannot happen in a world like this and the likes... and then when they see there 15 year old kid playing the game and randomly encounter one of the scenes in this game they go ballistic.. even though they bought the game for there kid or there kid used its allowance to buy the game or whatever, humans are pathetic when it comes to situations like this... could see what happens when they list a complaint on the site or phone up bioware about when then they say it is labeled on the box the game came in, you where warned about it and then they go like what.. and slam back on the phone beating up there kids.. or seek help for themself because something bad in there life has happened.

Edit:
By the way I am one of them Euro's as it is, one of the scandinavians around... since that I read above it seem like being an Europe vs US problem heh? Which I don't understand in why sex and gore in games is a bad thing when it is labeled on the Box 18 years and up... that just mean we might get more of it which I look forward to... why not? it is a cool feature to add into a game as it is... the hero slay stuff on the battlefield over some weeks and takes a rest in camp having some fun bed wrestling.

Modifié par GHL_Soul_Reaver, 02 décembre 2009 - 07:47 .

[Xaltar81]

OK, F-C has ONE semi valid point. The rating systems for games does suck, as he said, Borderlands and DAO have the same rating. IMO Borderlands should have a lower rating maybe NC16.



As to the rest of his post, well, clearly he is biased by his affection for his sister and his sympathy for her position. Unfortuneately bud, the world doesn't come to a standstill for the unfortunate. There are many single partents out there and not all of them have the same issue. My wife and I do not shield our daughter from adult themed material, we feel we would only be stunting her ability to tell right from wrong by not letting her see the world for what it is. I do not want my child to grow up ignorant and nieve like I did. Parents all try to do the best for their kids and they have a right to do things as they see fit. These games are rated 18+ for a reason and while they may be different reasons they are there because some parents tollerate violence perhaps but not sexual content and vice versa. The ratings allow parents to screen the game before they buy it.



Now, to the real point at hand here. DAO is rated ADULT and yet the "sex" scenes wouldn't shock a 6 year old. If anything the adult content is lacking. I would not rent a porno for my child to watch and if I felt a game like this was too mature for her I would not buy it for her but I also would not cover her eyes when Kate Winey****s ****** is shown in titanic. The ratings alow you to know what is in the game and why it is rated as it is. If your sister has time to buy these games then she can certainly take a little time to read the lable. Now please stop posting rude comments about those of us who actually live in the real world.

[F-C]

so your first line admits that the rating system on these games is terrible, and then you turn around and say im stupid because it has a rating on it. just brilliant.

first you agree with me, then you turn around and 2 paragraphs later are basically insulting me and calling me stupid. thats just amazing really. its like you know the point im making is right, but you just cant stand it, so you have to troll ahead anyways.

borderlands is the perfect example for this if you have played it. its not any worse than diablo2. its shooting make believe monsters with make believe guns. its mature rated exactly the same as this game.

thats why games with sexual situations should have an explicit label on them, or a higher rating.


im not saying sex is bad, and im not saying games should be banned for having sex scenes.

im just saying it should be explicitly labeled that its there.


why is it such an issue to people that it would be good to have a big black and white sticker on the box that said "Explicit Content - Contains sexual situations - Explicit Content"

that way people can differentiate easily between something like this with sex scenes and something like borderlands that is basically diablo2 with guns.

i guess people are just too trollish and have to Hate on someone for even thinking anything outside of "zomg more hot pixels bumping uglies on my screen pl0x!!"

im doing my best not to comment on how pathetic these people must be to think thats entertaining anyhow.

Modifié par F-C, 02 décembre 2009 - 08:34 .

[GHL_Soul_Reaver]

It is labeled with it just checked on the backside of the cover it say 18 years and up and ' Contains strong bloody violence' and 'one strong sexual image'

[F-C]

what im saying is it needs a label like this in a decent size stuck on the box. someone like my sister doesnt even know what shes looking at when shes looking at a video game box, and she could very easily miss the one line down in the corner of the back of the box.

slap a couple of these on there large enough to be very visible and she couldnt miss it. then you could call her a bad parent or whatever else you like because it would be true.

[Leather_Rebel90]

Slaign wrote...

Also, I'm a little put off because as a video game defender I have to resort to the "Kids shouldn't play these games" lines, when I want to argue that sex and violence shouldn't be hidden and taboo from children. Sheltering children only hurts them. We have the oldest children in the world, and we try to preserve their innocence like they are pets and not responsibilities. We want them to remain cute and naive forever, but it is our responsibility to teach them. Sex and violence is part of that. If they are old enough to be curious they are old enough to be taught, and with proper values, it's far less destructive than hiding it, making it taboo, and stoking the fires of their curiosity.

But I know such an argument would get no where past the social ingrained fundamentals most people embrace without thinking, and it would just end up hurting the cause I defend.

Yes, let's teach my three year old who asked 'Where do babies come from' how it's done, better yet, let's show her a porn-o... Or even get her a man. God, I hate these arguements. Innocence is needed until a certain age. And if you were a father like I am you'd know that you want them to remain cute and naive for as long as possible to protect them, it's parental instict to protect your child. Any man who isn't willing to cut his own arm off for his child shouldn't be having children. And that's the issue. Parents these days are all too willing to expose their children to the elemants of life before they're ready.

However, on topic I do agree. When done tastefully, sex in video games doesn't hurt. The Witcher over-did it in some aspects (The boinking every woman you could aspect). DA:O and ME did it better. I didn't like ME's however. Why was that Alien chick sliding down my PC like he was a pole?! he he.

[GHL_Soul_Reaver]

F-C wrote...




what im saying is it needs a label like this in a decent size stuck on the box. someone like my sister doesnt even know what shes looking at when shes looking at a video game box, and she could very easily miss the one line down in the corner of the back of the box.

slap a couple of these on there large enough to be very visible and she couldnt miss it. then you could call her a bad parent or whatever else you like because it would be true.

Yes if it is not listed with an Adulthood age, but it is, listed as 18 and above so technically that one is not needed, it just need to have it shown that if you don't like violence and sexual content don't buy it. it also say 'Suitable only for persons of 18 years and over, Not to be supplied to any persons below that age' is a strict enough warning to not buy it for you kids, and if you do then it would be you supplying them with content in a game they should not have and turns it down to your responsability.

[F-C]

GHL_Soul_Reaver wrote...

F-C wrote...




what im saying is it needs a label like this in a decent size stuck on the box. someone like my sister doesnt even know what shes looking at when shes looking at a video game box, and she could very easily miss the one line down in the corner of the back of the box.

slap a couple of these on there large enough to be very visible and she couldnt miss it. then you could call her a bad parent or whatever else you like because it would be true.

Yes if it is not listed with an Adulthood age, but it is, listed as 18 and above so technically that one is not needed, it just need to have it shown that if you don't like violence and sexual content don't buy it. it also say 'Suitable only for persons of 18 years and over, Not to be supplied to any persons below that age' is a strict enough warning to not buy it for you kids, and if you do then it would be you supplying them with content in a game they should not have and turns it down to your responsability.

borderlands has the same M rating in the corner as this game. it says 17+ just like this game.

its about as bad as diablo 2, i mean really.

the rating system on these games is terrible, period.

i would buy borderlands for her oldest daughter to play if she wanted it because its about as bad as watching bugs bunny flatten a guy with a piano.

yet this game has sexual content in it and the exact same rating.

adding the parental advisory sticker is just common sense really, but i guess since you just ignore the point i was making about the rating system on these games being terrible because everything is M rated, you dont have that common sense and just want to troll.



give me one good reason why putting those stickers on it would be bad.

all ive heard is people want to bash on this and that.

i have yet to hear 1 single good reason why putting those stickers on to make it clear would be bad.

is the couple cents in sticker costs per box going to drive the prices too high for you?

[GHL_Soul_Reaver]

F-C wrote...

GHL_Soul_Reaver wrote...

F-C wrote...




what im saying is it needs a label like this in a decent size stuck on the box. someone like my sister doesnt even know what shes looking at when shes looking at a video game box, and she could very easily miss the one line down in the corner of the back of the box.

slap a couple of these on there large enough to be very visible and she couldnt miss it. then you could call her a bad parent or whatever else you like because it would be true.

Yes if it is not listed with an Adulthood age, but it is, listed as 18 and above so technically that one is not needed, it just need to have it shown that if you don't like violence and sexual content don't buy it. it also say 'Suitable only for persons of 18 years and over, Not to be supplied to any persons below that age' is a strict enough warning to not buy it for you kids, and if you do then it would be you supplying them with content in a game they should not have and turns it down to your responsability.

borderlands has the same M rating in the corner as this game. it says 17+ just like this game.

its about as bad as diablo 2, i mean really.

the rating system on these games is terrible, period.

i would buy borderlands for her oldest daughter to play if she wanted it because its about as bad as watching bugs bunny flatten a guy with a piano.

yet this game has sexual content in it and the exact same rating.

adding the parental advisory sticker is just common sense really, but i guess since you just ignore the point i was making about the rating system on these games being terrible because everything is M rated, you dont have that common sense and just want to troll.



give me one good reason why putting those stickers on it would be bad.

all ive heard is people want to bash on this and that.

i have yet to hear 1 single good reason why putting those stickers on to make it clear would be bad.

is the couple cents in sticker costs per box going to drive the prices too high for you?

Well if the game show 17 years and up it is technically needed to put that parental advicery thing on, but not if it is 18+ then they just need to print it with words, since when 18 years old in most parts of the world you are responsible for your own actions, yet though you would get an explanation of what kind of content you could encounter in which there IS on the DA:O Box so I don't get what all your fuss is about, it needs an actual parantal log on sexual content in game options if it is rated as 17+ years and up or 15+ years an up if there is any in it, and yet there most likely would be the sign you posted before and so on and so forth.

[F-C]

GHL_Soul_Reaver wrote...

F-C wrote...

GHL_Soul_Reaver wrote...

F-C wrote...




what im saying is it needs a label like this in a decent size stuck on the box. someone like my sister doesnt even know what shes looking at when shes looking at a video game box, and she could very easily miss the one line down in the corner of the back of the box.

slap a couple of these on there large enough to be very visible and she couldnt miss it. then you could call her a bad parent or whatever else you like because it would be true.

Yes if it is not listed with an Adulthood age, but it is, listed as 18 and above so technically that one is not needed, it just need to have it shown that if you don't like violence and sexual content don't buy it. it also say 'Suitable only for persons of 18 years and over, Not to be supplied to any persons below that age' is a strict enough warning to not buy it for you kids, and if you do then it would be you supplying them with content in a game they should not have and turns it down to your responsability.

borderlands has the same M rating in the corner as this game. it says 17+ just like this game.

its about as bad as diablo 2, i mean really.

the rating system on these games is terrible, period.

i would buy borderlands for her oldest daughter to play if she wanted it because its about as bad as watching bugs bunny flatten a guy with a piano.

yet this game has sexual content in it and the exact same rating.

adding the parental advisory sticker is just common sense really, but i guess since you just ignore the point i was making about the rating system on these games being terrible because everything is M rated, you dont have that common sense and just want to troll.



give me one good reason why putting those stickers on it would be bad.

all ive heard is people want to bash on this and that.

i have yet to hear 1 single good reason why putting those stickers on to make it clear would be bad.

is the couple cents in sticker costs per box going to drive the prices too high for you?

Well if the game show 17 years and up it is technically needed to put that parental advicery thing on, but not if it is 18+ then they just need to print it with words, since when 18 years old in most parts of the world you are responsible for your own actions, yet though you would get an explanation of what kind of content you could encounter in which there IS on the DA:O Box so I don't get what all your fuss is about, it needs an actual parantal log on sexual content in game options if it is rated as 17+ years and up or 15+ years an up if there is any in it, and yet there most likely would be the sign you posted before and so on and so forth.

the fuss is about someone like my sister doesnt know what shes looking at when she looks at a video game box, at all, and having one little line down in the back corner is something that can be easily overlooked, while if it had these stickers on the front and back of the box, she would see that plain as day. they are the commonly used warning on CD's, DvD's, and everything else. she would recognize it immediatly and know not to buy it.

it would also seperate games like this from games like borderlands that have the exact same rating, yet are not bad games at all, have nothing in them that you wouldnt want a kid to see, but are still labeled mature because it shows you killing monsters with guns.

i just want a good reason why it shouldnt be there, i still havent seen one.

is it going to make the game more expensive?
is it going to make the game worse?
is it going to touch you in a bad place?

Modifié par F-C, 02 décembre 2009 - 09:26 .

[Alexus_VG]

F-C much as you may have a point about games having a better rating system you no doubt realise that the way you express yourself is largly offensive and antagonising. Much as it is your prerogative to voice your opinion however you choose, you can not be surprised that the replies you are getting are verbally agressive in nature. What I'm saying is try and keep your cool and you may be surprised at the results you get.

[Banana Muffin]

Leather_Rebel90 wrote...

Yes, let's teach my three year old who asked 'Where do babies come from' how it's done, better yet, let's show her a porn-o... Or even get her a man. God, I hate these arguements. Innocence is needed until a certain age. And if you were a father like I am you'd know that you want them to remain cute and naive for as long as possible to protect them, it's parental instict to protect your child. Any man who isn't willing to cut his own arm off for his child shouldn't be having children. And that's the issue. Parents these days are all too willing to expose their children to the elemants of life before they're ready.

I am a mother of a three year old, and if she asked my where babies comes from I would probably be embarrased but I'd see no harm in telling her how it's done in a way that she could understand. And while I might want her to remain cute and naive , I know that that's just a selfish thought and I try to fight it.

Not that I think it would be appropriate for her to see a porno, but I would and have let her see the "sex scenes" in DAO it's just people in underwear hugging, she really wasn't interested at all.

Children have a sexual curiosity from a very early age and it's just stupid to think that you can keep them innocent by trying to hide the facts of life from them. Most small children will play sexual games together and there's nothing wrong with this. It's a lot more important to teach them where to draw the line than to try to keep them in the dark.

I have known about sex for as long as I can remember, I saw it on TV and I accidently walked in on my parents more than once at the age of 4 or 5 (boy was it embarrasing though). At daycare and kindergarten the kids would talk a lot about ****ing and sometimes pretend to do it (DAO style with clothes on). Still I managed to keep my virginity until the age of 17 as did most of my kindergarten friends.

Modifié par Banana Muffin, 02 décembre 2009 - 09:44 .

[Drag0n-RD]

I can't see why its a bad thing it's not as if its real. Even if it was parents couldn't complain because the game is rated M anyway.

Games take so much crap from the media its unreal. I'm 21 years of age and have had a computer since my farther first handed me his old one when I aged 4. He knew it would be a wise investment to get me using them. Next year I was 5 and Doom arrived on the scene. I played that game for hours upon hours upon hours in fact  I largely have Doom to thank for being able to navigate through MS-DOS. Fact was Doom was intended for adults, but it didn't make me want to shoot anybody. I knew even then that it wasn't real.

As everyone should know with sex in Dragon Age. It's not real so there is no reason to suggest its going to be in anyway harmful. 

Next they will be saying fantasy books are the subject of a corrupt mind.

Modifié par Drag0n-RD, 02 décembre 2009 - 09:46 .

[GHL_Soul_Reaver]

It is not look at this scenario here that I am putting up.



18 year old son buy a game, dad goes like 'Hey son I know you are legit and everything, but remember it has parental advicory so since you are 18 and can decide whatever you want to to, you may not play it because I say so' son goes like 'duuuh... I am legit, I can vote... I can have a drink go away'



Either system though requires the ability to be able to read, so you read the stuff on the back of the box to see what it is about and why it say 18+ on the front of the box, fair and square, otherwise there should be a lock on those scenes that a parent can set up with a password if being listed with the parental advicery thing, but it is not needed because the game show 18+ so it just need to bring the attention to the customer that it contain some sexually alike images in the game and not being pasted all over with some logo since it is rated 18 years and above.



I don't get your point, since there is none to have it in, I get your point if it is listed as 15 years and above, but it is different this time.



Why would your sister buy a game to her let us say 12 year old boy, when it is labeled clear on the front 18 years or above, it is all put there to keep the lawyers away from the company by mentioning what is in it.



do I need to scan in the front and rear side of my game box and point out in photoshop where it is..



The good reason for it should not have a parantel thing on it is because it is rated 18 years and above (already there the buyer should know that there is something about it that it is not suited for younger people), the back of the cover explains more clearly about some of the content and the BIG 18 thing on the front should be enough for the parents to take note of 'hey there is something fishy about this game' and even the salesman of the game could mention it if the parent would ask around.

[Banana Muffin]

GHL_Soul_Reaver wrote...

The good reason for it should not have a parantel thing on it is because it is rated 18 years and above (already there the buyer should know that there is something about it that it is not suited for younger people), the back of the cover explains more clearly about some of the content and the BIG 18 thing on the front should be enough for the parents to take note of 'hey there is something fishy about this game' and even the salesman of the game could mention it if the parent would ask around.

DAO is rated M which is 17+ , AO (adults only) is 18+ but very few games ever get this rating.

[Skye Kross]

maybe the editor is being an ars by using the term "outside the box" coz it sound smart and misread a non dragon age box that saids "barney the dinosaur is for all ages" and then she bought it and reacted like O_o OMG! not for kids. i think she is a troll, a huge one or she needs to go to school and learn how to read. anyway i voted Adult video games are for adults, so no.

[Xaltar81]

F-C this is the point I conceded, there are a lot of games rated too high. As you yourself said, its little worse than looney toons.

Xaltar81 wrote... IMO Borderlands should have a lower rating maybe NC16.

On that note.