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[MerinTB]

F-C wrote...

same old nonsense over and over.

there is a reason the parental warning stickers are used. its because they are obvious and they cant be missed, you cant overlook them.

its the standard method used so you cant overlook them.

having a little line printed on the box like its part of the game description is crap in my opinion. its basically made so you can overlook it very easily if you arnt looking specifically for it.

many parents arnt video game savvy, they dont play them, and they dont care about them beyond how much its going to cost when they check out at the register.

the stickers are standard because of this, you cant overlook it when its stuck on the box. its obvious and plain as day to any parent. its jumps out at you the first time you glance at it.

none of that matters to you trolls though, its just RARG BLARG HATE HIM GLARR BLARB.

lol.

Completely ignored me.  Completely.  Showing exactly how committed you are to actually discussing this.  You seek only to vent and provoke.

You want compelling reasons why not to use Parental Advisory stickers vs. ESRB?

1 - there is no standard for Parental Advisory stickers - no board decides this, its basically The RIAA self-policing (same as the ESRB in many senses) and it misses many albulms that are bad while labeling some that are barely bad as explicit
2 - the label is nowhere near as informative - the ESRB labels give age ratings, like the movie industry, and give DETAILS as to what content it caused, like the movie industry: the Parental Advisory label just says Explicit Content and gives no details
3 - the entire rest of the entertainment industry does NOT use the Parental Advisory sticker you want - it's just the RIAA for music, and as such it is almost exclusively in reference to lyrics in the songs and nothing else: the ESRB looks at more than language, and is used by the gaming industry the way the movie industry uses its rating system.

F-C, you are being purposefully dense.

You claim, repeatedly, that the Parental Advisory sticker is used on various media, but it is only the RIAA for music CDs (and music DVDs), not movies nor books nor games.
You claim, repeatedly, that the ESRB ratings are hard to understand and are too broad, but then you repeatedly want the Parental Advisory sticker which is by far more broad and non-specific:  it is like you are claiming that a one page plan isn't specific enough in details and you want to replace it with a short phrase, just in a bigger font.
You claim, repeatedly, that people don't understand the ESRB ratings but understand the Parental Advisory sticker.  But your own ignorance about the Parental Advisory sticker is staggering.  And the ESRB ratings are comparable, in some ways superior, to the movie rating scale that many people are content with.

You, F-C, are ignoring and belittling everyone who responds to you.  You are dismissing them.  And you are constantly repeating the same ignorant, opinionated, inflammatory statements.

F-C, you are the one who is posting the "same old nonsense over and over."

[F-C]

MerinTB wrote...

Completely ignored me.  Completely.  Showing exactly how committed you are to actually discussing this. 

oh you are right i did ignore you, because you are just trolling and flaming. i usually get about 1 line into your post before i just skip over it.

i would discuss it with someone who was worth having a discussion with, unfortunatly thats not you.

[Kaosgirl]

F-C wrote...

so far all ive seen for replies directed at me is people flaming and
name calling,

As far as I can see, you've recieved no more flames than you've dealt out yourself.

F-C wrote...
but not a single reason why using the standard parental
warning sticker that used on all other media is such a terrible thing.

Terrible thing?  More like useless thing.  The ESRB rating that you say is 'worthless' today *was* the standard warning used on other media yesterday.  It got washed out and watered down to uselessness, you claim?

So has that "Parental Advisory" sticker.  One curse word, or one lyric about a violent situation, and *bang* Parental Advisory Explicit Lyrics.  It's not a solution, it's a repeat of a previous failure.  It *will* be twisted and mangled till it's as meaningless as the current system.

F-C wrote...
it wont make the game cost more, it wont make the game worse, and it wont touch you in the bad place.

Tell me, is that strawman deliberate dishonesty, or the result of an honest misinterpretation of what's being said?

F-C wrote...
it will serve as an easily recognizable marker to show parents who arnt video game savvy that the game contains explicit content they might not want their children to see. its the standard warning sticker used on all other media, it is easily recognizable and obvious when stuck on the box. having a little line in the back corner printed on the box like part of the game description is pretty easy to overlook when a parent doesnt even know what they are looking at, having these stickers on it is not.

I heard all this before when the ESRB warnings were first being promoted.  If you think they're really such a failure, why do you think repeating the exact same idea is going to be any better?

[F-C]

Kaosgirl wrote...
 I

you said this word.

be

then i saw this word.

useless

then i read this word.

flames

then i noticed this word was there too.


when you put it together in a sentence, it gives your post its due credit.

[Kaosgirl]

F-C wrote...
<feeble attempt at creative flaming>

If you really want to play that game, let's do it right.

[MerinTB]

Kaosgirl wrote...

F-C wrote...

If you really want to play that game, let's do it right.

1st line.

2nd line.

Give it up.  I have.

His arguments have been addressed, he's not honestly looking to address them.  He purposefully quoted single words out of context to annoy you and absolutely nothing else.  He even stopped hiding behind his sister's situation to do it (I guess that's a positive in a negative, huh?)

Lucky for me he'll ignore this post so I won't have to respond to him.  Unless he's lying about reading only the 1st line of what I write.
I am obviously just trolling and flaming.  Everything I say is clearly intended to provoke negative reactions from the largest number of people, and all I do is go around threads looking for places to do this.  Never do I post on topic and listen to what others say.
The above italicized segment was sarcasm, of course.

He either knows and doesn't care that the Parental Advisory sticker is only for music and is more ineffective than more detailed ratings systems, or he is so set in his ideas that no proof will ever be enough.  Bashing your head against a brick wall will not solve anything.

Modifié par MerinTB, 03 décembre 2009 - 06:09 .

[Alexus_VG]

F-C wrote...

same old nonsense over and over.

there is a reason the parental warning stickers are used. its because they are obvious and they cant be missed, you cant overlook them.

its the standard method used so you cant overlook them.

having a little line printed on the box like its part of the game description is crap in my opinion. its basically made so you can overlook it very easily if you arnt looking specifically for it.

many parents arnt video game savvy, they dont play them, and they dont care about them beyond how much its going to cost when they check out at the register.

the stickers are standard because of this, you cant overlook it when its stuck on the box. its obvious and plain as day to any parent. its jumps out at you the first time you glance at it.

none of that matters to you trolls though, its just RARG BLARG HATE HIM GLARR BLARB.

lol.

Here we go I will address your opinion directly, in a calm and composed fashion without refering to your attitude (I believe I already did so earlier in this thread).

More stickers will not solve the problem. It is a parent's job to care what they buy for their children, and if they do, even if they are not computer savy or for some reason do not wish to inspect the cover, they are within their right to ask about product information at the teller. As a parent and someone who was raised by a single mother I believe my opinion is valid enough.

[Inhuman one]

Parents just need to watch their children better. Many seem to assume that a child should be able to play any computergame and if its not appropriate for children it should be made to be that because their child wants to play the game.



I wonder if these people also send angry letters to porn movie producers to complain about the sex and nudity and ask it to be removed from the movies so that their children can watch them.

[Bryy_Miller]

Sex is just not needed. It does not make the story deeper.

[Original182]

I actually found the sex in Dragon Age very creepy. It was poorly implemented and it wouldn't be missed if it wasn't in it.

Edit: So the answer to the topic: Why is sex in Dragon Age Origins a bad thing? Because it actually creeps you out so much, that it does the opposite of what it's supposed to do. Instead of IMMERSING you deeper in the game, it does the opposite. The sex is very awkward and unrealistic.

I prefer full frontal nudity to awkward creepy "sex".

Modifié par Original182, 03 décembre 2009 - 08:47 .

[Alexus_VG]

Right back on topic. In my opinion in an adult game where you have romance as an option it's an important element. My personal preference is tastfull cutscenes rather than vulgar but should it be there as an element, a definitive yes.



Hmm...yes the sex was somewhat awkward and for some reason the cutscenes for fem PCs was only half the duration(tsk tsk) . I can't honeslty say I was expecting that much more considering most game developers don't even bother so I still give them props for trying to actually cater the romance to adults.

[Inhuman one]

the sex scenes do indeed look awkward.



I am guessing Bioware pretty much threw them in because it was in Mass Effect and it became known for that controversial scene, and then it was censored because of EA. Might have been better if it was removed all together.



In mass effect it was done in a great way, in Dragon Age I couldnt stop wondering what happened to the hot body Morrigan has in her usual attire when I saw her broad shoulders.

[AntiChri5]

F-C wrote...

MerinTB wrote...

Completely ignored me.  Completely.  Showing exactly how committed you are to actually discussing this. 

oh you are right i did ignore you, because you are just trolling and flaming. i usually get about 1 line into your post before i just skip over it.

i would discuss it with someone who was worth having a discussion with, unfortunatly thats not you.

Only a complete idiot would claim that nobody has answered ther questions and then admit to simply ignoring posts aimed directly at them. If the chance that someone may insult you is just too scary then you really need to toughen up.In any sort of open forum your going to come across opinions that offend you quite regularly. Wanna know how i deal with it? Impossibly huge ego. It surrounds me like a cloud.

[hammarus]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Sex is just not needed. It does not make the story deeper.

I feel sorry for you. 

Some of the best stories of all time are filled with passion, love, romance and sex.  And if this, ...this game is one of the next generational paths that stories evolve into, it would indeed be a sad and emotionless world you would involve yourself and by your thoughts "us" in. 

Humanity is defined by emotion and the mechanisms by which it finds to expresses it.  Sex is one of those.

[F-C]

AntiChri5 wrote...
Only a complete idiot would claim that nobody has answered ther questions and then admit to simply ignoring posts aimed directly at them. If the chance that someone may insult you is just too scary then you really need to toughen up.In any sort of open forum your going to come across opinions that offend you quite regularly. Wanna know how i deal with it? Impossibly huge ego. It surrounds me like a cloud.

see, you are looking at things wrong. my ego tells me nothing they have is worth reading or caring about. there is no possible way someone on the internet forums can ever possibly hurt my feelings, lol. when i ignore someone its because im dismissing them as worthless and not worth the minutes of my time it would take to read their post.

most the posts here directed at me are just like your own. simply attacking me and have absolutly no value whatsover to a real discussion, so much like any post you make from now on in this thread, i just skip over them or maybe read one line to see if you are actually going to try and make an arguement beyond BLARG GLARR I HATE YOU GRARR BLAGGG BLARB!!!

its simply that i have dismissed the person off as not worth my time.




on another note, the more i think about these issues, the more it occurs to me that having sexual content in these games is really only serving to bring out some of the worst quality people you will find in the gaming community. i mean a reasonable adult doesnt need video game sex to enjoy a good game, but we have threads full of people who think its the best thing ever. makes you think about it a little, and im starting to think im just going to pass on any game that contains this content in the future. subjecting myself to this kind of filth to participate in the forums is really not worth it for a video game.

Modifié par F-C, 03 décembre 2009 - 11:09 .

[Fluffykeith]

It seems pointless to me, to complain that no one responds or discusses your posts if you then refuse to read those that do. You dismissed several posts that were polite, constructive and attempting to discuss your points without flaming. That hardly seems fair.



You called this content "filth". Is it? We're not talking about "Virtual Jenna" here, we're talking about a game, aimed at adults (and labelled as such) that is no more explicit or graphic than "Robin Hood:Prince of Thieves" ...in fact that film is more graphic in the attempted rape of Marion than this game is in any of it's very tame sexual content.

[kosaveli]

you can't see anything in the sex scenes so stop waisting time and crying over it

[F-C]

no, i was calling the people it seems to be drawing out filth.

[kingthrall]

dragon age has some of the worst sex scenes in a game, i mean that cheesy grin on the characters face (when she is on top) makes me laugh on how stupid it is. They aint even any breasts its all covered with bra!

anyway sex is sex, i enjoy it like a lot of other adults do, and if your reading this you shoudnt be even playing the game since it is a mature content game. Regarless i want more groans, moans and action

did i mention also im a dirty pervert?

Modifié par kingthrall, 03 décembre 2009 - 12:56 .

[Bryy_Miller]

hammarus wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Sex is just not needed. It does not make the story deeper.

I feel sorry for you. 

Some of the best stories of all time are filled with passion, love, romance and sex.  And if this, ...this game is one of the next generational paths that stories evolve into, it would indeed be a sad and emotionless world you would involve yourself and by your thoughts "us" in. 

Humanity is defined by emotion and the mechanisms by which it finds to expresses it.  Sex is one of those.

Did you actually just take my comment to mean that sex in real life is not needed?

But beyond that, please explain to me what sex adds to this game. I'm not talking about the ending. I'm talking about the romantic subplots. Do we really need to see some oddly done sex scene complete with freakishly unreal looking models?

[Bryy_Miller]

Wow, that was kind of offensive, don't you think?

[Dark83]

F-C wrote...

see, you are looking at things wrong. my ego tells me nothing they have is worth reading or caring about. there is no possible way someone on the internet forums can ever possibly hurt my feelings, lol. when i ignore someone its because im dismissing them as worthless and not worth the minutes of my time it would take to read their post.

most the posts here directed at me are just like your own. simply attacking me and have absolutly no value whatsover to a real discussion, so much like any post you make from now on in this thread, i just skip over them or maybe read one line to see if you are actually going to try and make an arguement beyond BLARG GLARR I HATE YOU GRARR BLAGGG BLARB!!!

its simply that i have dismissed the person off as not worth my time.

As far as I can tell, the vast majority of the posts address your issues and point out their errors, as well as point out that "parenting requires effort". If that's an attack, then clearly your method and ideas for parenting is in error, and your fragile ego requires you to think you're correct when every single other person has told you you're wrong.