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[Alexus_VG]

Hmm... Why do I get the feeling this conversation is digressing. I'm afraid this poor already over abused thread can't take too much more of this.

[Dark83]

To restate what has been pointed out and you've completely ignored, F-C:

F-C wrote...

there is a reason the parental warning stickers are used. its because they are obvious and they cant be missed, you cant overlook them.

its the standard method used so you cant overlook them.

This is completely and utterly wrong. It is not standard, and the stickers are meaningless because a single curseword gets the sticker on it.

[trollfot1]

Overprotecting people only make them dependent and socially unadapted. Actually, nothing in Dragon Age justify such a high age limit. There are more perversions, vices and shocking elements in common TV shows. Hiding away the violence and the sexuality only create frustration and doesn't teach anything to children and parents. The day people will learn that children need guidance and that, as an adult, you are free to disagree but not to take away people's freedom, then we'll avoid useless censorship and forum trolls.

[rumblefv]

kevinwastaken wrote...

Dragon Age is for the kids. If kids see sex in Dragon Age, they might have sex in real life. VERY dangerous.

Seriously. Would someone PLEASE think of the children!

And to answer the thread's question, no, sex scenes are not bad in a video game, and yes, the sex scenes were terribly done in this game. 

Modifié par rumblefv, 03 décembre 2009 - 03:36 .

[Dark83]

I must have the wrong copy of the game, all I got in my game is vigorous rubbing between two clothed adults.

[Cquattro2009]

Quite simple. The ultra conservative Christian right in America goes bonkers any time anybody shows even a hint of skin on television for fear that "children might see it" *gasp*!! Putting any sort of nudity or sex in a video game no matter what its rating would have them frothing at the mouth.



It's perfectly fine to have kids watching gory violence on television or have them worshipping half naked gyrating teenage tramps like Christina Aguillera but if Janet Jackson shows part of her breast, their young minds will instantly become deviant!

[Derengard]

There may be better way to write a lovestory. Chris Avellone has said a little bit about this, namely that unfulfilled lovestories are often stronger. Other than that: American issue?

Modifié par Derengard, 03 décembre 2009 - 06:49 .

[Fluffykeith]

I'm having trouble seeing what is so shocking about the "sex" in DA:O. There are mainstream sitcoms that are more explicitly descriptive of sexuality and some that are at least as graphic about it onscreen...and "pop" videos that are more aggressivly sexualised, and with worse messages as well. In fact, theres some shampoo commercials that show just as much flesh as this game. I don't see hordes of concerned parents clamouring for a ban on shampoo advertising...

And on the point of concerned parents, and the labeling of these games...
Theres no indication that adding a "Parental Advisory" sticker onto the existing labeling would make any differance. The existing label is very clear. In the US it states that the game is for Mature players, and defines that as an age group of 17+, and then conscisely describes what content the game has that warrants that rating. In the UK we use the same rating system, and symbology, as we do for movies, and DA:O has an 18 rating here.
Now, it seems to me that this is making it very clear that this game is NOT intented for kids. If parents want to disregard that, its their lookout.

If a parent or gaurdian is unable or unwilling to spend 10 seconds to look at the rating of a game, either because they are to busy/lazy/stupid/incapable/uncaring or whatever, it DOES NOT absolve them of responsibility if their kids then get upset or whatever by playing a game that the label clearly indicates they shouldn't be playing anyway! Frankly I think that if they can't or won't take that time to check the existing label then they probably aren't going to take the time to check another one. The existing label already tells them what they need to know. Its not the fault of the rating, the label, or the game publisher, if they don't pay heed to it.

Too many parents have a habit of using TV and video games as sort of electronic babysitters, as if this somehow abrogates them of the responsibility for whatever they're kid encounters. They plonk them in front of the box and then get all outraged when sweet little Timmy sees some boobs...well, not to be harsh but that is THEIR fault. They are the ones in the position of responsibility and they are the ones who need to monitor what their kids are doing.  Expecting the game designers to hobble a game aimed at adults, just in case kiddies see it, is ridiculous.

And the "I didn't pay attention because games are for kids" argument is also ridiculous. It wouldnt even be considered if it were a movie. No parent could reasonably expect to get away with using that excuse if they rented their little darlings "Zombie Cannibal Holocaust 2 - The Revenge" by mistake. All games are not for kids any more than movies or books are.

[RedShft]

It's not a bad thing, people are just dumb.

[Girchou]

i am young i dont mind,

people who say "oh no! my child shall see sex he will automaticly have sex!"

he wont.

[Bryy_Miller]

RedShft wrote...

It's not a bad thing, people are just dumb.

Now that's a stupid generalization right there.

[-Area51-Silent]

F-C, your statements dont make any sense. I posted my proof of HOW EASY IT IS TO SEE WHATS IN THE GAME. Where is your proof counter to mine? You don't know its there, or you dont have time to look and see? Thats fine if thats the case and your sister and yourself dont have time to look, then maybe you shouldn't be getting them video games because the system is to hard and you want to police what they are seeing.

I at this point being mean is just past what I should be with what you believe, but you woudnt go buy your kids food without reading the lables, or let them go to an afterschool (not school regulated) activity without looking into it would you? If you are a decent parent/relative who helps out, probably not, and really video games are an extension of media used to in a way to artistically express a story or event and feed the mind either semi-factual or fantasy information, and you should be just aware of what kids are getting from this as in any other thing they do.

While I disagree with your inability to turn the box over, talk to the sales clerk or go to a simple website. If you absolutely cant, your sister cant, anyone else who is helping cant, then maybe video games just arnt your thing and I would be more careful with music and movies because the media of words and real images can be just as, if not more impactful.

Modifié par -Area51-Silent, 03 décembre 2009 - 09:39 .

[MerinTB]

-Area51-Silent wrote...

F-C, your statements dont make any sense.

... F-C ignored the rest of this ...

You do realize he isn't actually reading or caring what you say to him, don't you?

[Sir Skaat Eriork]

Jack_Cheze wrote...

2 thoughts.
1)Know what your kids are playing, today video games are more like interactive movies than like pacman.
2)Sex scenes in video games typically suck because most programmers have never had any

Beautiful

[Deathstyk85]

dragon age sex= very akward, i mean, that might be how i pictured sex looking when i was 5 lol.

i think they should have done like mass effect, and NOT put them in underwear, just kinda avoided showing the naughty bits, that way its a little more realistic, and no one cries about it.



and i agree with the person who said that "people who complain about sex in video games, obviously thinks they are just for children" many parents/family type people assume that the term video game, automatically means its for their 12 year old kid. they dont bother with the fact that yes, there are games for different ages. but for some reason when they hear "sex in a game" they think, oh lawdy lord, their showing sex to our kids, pack up the soccer mom van ladies, lets get posters and protest.

they dont bother to think, oh wait, this game also has decapitation, a really gross looking brood mother type...thing...and gratuitous amounts of violence, maybe it isnt really meant for our kids who still think girls are yucky. lol. the rating system is there for a reason, but i know the same parents who cried about the rating system not being tough enough, are the same ones who say "well its just a game, and my kid really wants it so why not" and then complain about how the game exposed their children to all sorts of crazy ungodly things.

[MerinTB]

Games are not for kids. Here are several sources (quick google search will find you more) of different groups with different surveys showing the average age of gamers -



to cut to the chase, the most recent puts the average age of gamers at 35.



http://www.computera...0e5b119135df707

http://www.gamasutra....php?story=9342

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Video_game - under demographics



If the product's average consumer age is 35, not 13, then the gaming industry should be TREATED as an adult market.

[Kaosgirl]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Wow, that was kind of offensive, don't you think?

No more so than the comment he was responding to.

[Sidney]

Deathstyk85 wrote...

dragon age sex= very akward, i mean, that might be how i pictured sex looking when i was 5 lol.
i think they should have done like mass effect, and NOT put them in underwear, just kinda avoided showing the naughty bits, that way its a little more realistic, and no one cries about it. 

Yeah the "presentation" was definately a step back from ME and it made the whole montage of stuff look just 100% goofy. I don't know if they wanted to avoid the "controversy" of ME - although the free publicity no doubt helped them - or what but I could have done with a more "mature" looking presentation.

[Torolf88]

To answer the original question. Sex in video games is bad because sex is bad. I can't think of any other logical answer that doesn't involve the precept that sex is bad. Of the course, the question might be just a little loaded.

[ZeroPlan]

Maybe those people think sex is bad , because they're always having bad sex.

[aymanhaq]

Fluffykeith wrote...

I'm having trouble seeing what is so shocking about the "sex" in DA:O. There are mainstream sitcoms that are more explicitly descriptive of sexuality and some that are at least as graphic about it onscreen...and "pop" videos that are more aggressivly sexualised, and with worse messages as well. In fact, theres some shampoo commercials that show just as much flesh as this game. I don't see hordes of concerned parents clamouring for a ban on shampoo advertising...

And on the point of concerned parents, and the labeling of these games...
Theres no indication that adding a "Parental Advisory" sticker onto the existing labeling would make any differance. The existing label is very clear. In the US it states that the game is for Mature players, and defines that as an age group of 17+, and then conscisely describes what content the game has that warrants that rating. In the UK we use the same rating system, and symbology, as we do for movies, and DA:O has an 18 rating here.
Now, it seems to me that this is making it very clear that this game is NOT intented for kids. If parents want to disregard that, its their lookout.

If a parent or gaurdian is unable or unwilling to spend 10 seconds to look at the rating of a game, either because they are to busy/lazy/stupid/incapable/uncaring or whatever, it DOES NOT absolve them of responsibility if their kids then get upset or whatever by playing a game that the label clearly indicates they shouldn't be playing anyway! Frankly I think that if they can't or won't take that time to check the existing label then they probably aren't going to take the time to check another one. The existing label already tells them what they need to know. Its not the fault of the rating, the label, or the game publisher, if they don't pay heed to it.

Too many parents have a habit of using TV and video games as sort of electronic babysitters, as if this somehow abrogates them of the responsibility for whatever they're kid encounters. They plonk them in front of the box and then get all outraged when sweet little Timmy sees some boobs...well, not to be harsh but that is THEIR fault. They are the ones in the position of responsibility and they are the ones who need to monitor what their kids are doing.  Expecting the game designers to hobble a game aimed at adults, just in case kiddies see it, is ridiculous.

And the "I didn't pay attention because games are for kids" argument is also ridiculous. It wouldnt even be considered if it were a movie. No parent could reasonably expect to get away with using that excuse if they rented their little darlings "Zombie Cannibal Holocaust 2 - The Revenge" by mistake. All games are not for kids any more than movies or books are.

All the above is perfectly valid. What is surprising is how no one bothers considering this from a moral standpoint. Yes there is more sex on tv and even in ads than there is in this game. But that doesnt change the fact that sex being so openly depicted is morally wrong. Wrong is wrong is wrong. With atheists i can concede a bit. They dont even believe in God when the proof is right in front of them that he exists, but to each his own. However none of the major religions condone this type of depiction. Fact is this is just another greedy, money scheme becoming the norm in todays game market. Sex=money. So we give them sex. Don't bother looking up what your faith tells you to do. Personally i dont like the ingame sex because it goes against my religion. End of story.

Modifié par aymanhaq, 04 décembre 2009 - 01:44 .

[Dark83]

MerinTB wrote...

Games are not for kids.

No kidding. Anyone who thinks "video games = kids" is an utter moron.

Ignore the old school who played pong. The NES came out in 1985. Assuming that videogames were indeed for kids, let's say 10 years old, those kids are now 34. Even if we have an equal amount of gamers every year, from 10 to 34, the average age would be 27. There's absolutely no way the video game market is anything other than adults. Toss in buying power into the demographic, and it's solidly with the adults.

[Dark83]

aymanhaq wrote...

All the above is perfectly valid. What is surprising is how no one bothers considering this from a moral standpoint. Yes there is more sex on tv and even in ads than there is in this game. But that doesnt change the fact that sex being so openly depicted is morally wrong. Wrong is wrong is wrong. With atheists i can concede a bit. They dont even believe in God when the proof is right in front of them that he exists, but to each his own. However none of the major religions condone this type of depiction. Fact is this is just another greedy, money scheme becoming the norm in todays game market. Sex=money. So we give them sex. Don't bother looking up what your faith tells you to do. Personally i dont like the ingame sex because it goes against my religion. End of story.

Your religion is against sex between consenting adults?

With regards to my religion, there is absolutely no proof that God does not exist. There is also absolutely no proof that God exists. It is a matter of Faith. Religion deals with the intangibles - by its very nature there is no evidence or proof beyond what is in your own heart. If you need proof to validate your beliefs, then you lack faith. (This is why there is no conflict between science and religion - they cover entirely different things.)

[RunCDFirst]

aymanhaq wrote...

All the above is perfectly valid. What is surprising is how no one bothers considering this from a moral standpoint. Yes there is more sex on tv and even in ads than there is in this game. But that doesnt change the fact that sex being so openly depicted is morally wrong. Wrong is wrong is wrong. With atheists i can concede a bit. They dont even believe in God when the proof is right in front of them that he exists, but to each his own. However none of the major religions condone this type of depiction. Fact is this is just another greedy, money scheme becoming the norm in todays game market. Sex=money. So we give them sex. Don't bother looking up what your faith tells you to do. Personally i dont like the ingame sex because it goes against my religion. End of story.

...oh...

This is bordering on breaking the Terms of Use. Please tread carefully.

Modifié par RunCDFirst, 04 décembre 2009 - 02:06 .

[Kaosgirl]

aymanhaq wrote...
All the above is perfectly valid. What is surprising is how no one bothers considering this from a moral standpoint. Yes there is more sex on tv and even in ads than there is in this game. But that doesnt change the fact that sex being so openly depicted is morally wrong. Wrong is wrong is wrong. With atheists i can concede a bit. They dont even believe in God when the proof is right in front of them that he exists, but to each his own. However none of the major religions condone this type of depiction.

Some of the more established minor ones likely don't care, or possibly even approve.  Wicca, for example. 

Though given your words on god, I suspect you'll just dismiss them as filthy heathens.  Please prove me wrong.

aymanhaq wrote...
Fact is this is just another greedy, money scheme becoming the norm in todays game market. Sex=money. So we give them sex. Don't bother looking up what your faith tells you to do.

Taken to it's more traditional routes, Christian faith would have us avoiding this game long before it got to the sex.  It is a violent fantasy involving sorcery, and the "obvious" analogs between the Chantry and the good ol' Catholic Church is downright blasphemous.

All of which is or has been condemned by the Church at one time.