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[Ancastna]

thisisme8 wrote...

I find it disturbing that we don't mind our kids chopping people to pieces with knives, swords, axes, and what-not, but a little side-boob sends us all in a panic.

I think it's abit of both. Do you remember when GTA IV came out? 

[Slaign]

Also, I'm a little put off because as a video game defender I have to resort to the "Kids shouldn't play these games" lines, when I want to argue that sex and violence shouldn't be hidden and taboo from children. Sheltering children only hurts them. We have the oldest children in the world, and we try to preserve their innocence like they are pets and not responsibilities. We want them to remain cute and naive forever, but it is our responsibility to teach them. Sex and violence is part of that. If they are old enough to be curious they are old enough to be taught, and with proper values, it's far less destructive than hiding it, making it taboo, and stoking the fires of their curiosity.



But I know such an argument would get no where past the social ingrained fundamentals most people embrace without thinking, and it would just end up hurting the cause I defend.

[Slaign]

Ancastna wrote...

I wouldn't say that. It might be your love for Alistair that changes how the story ends.

Well I haven't finished the game, so I don't know. But I have editted my post to reflect that fact.

[Ickabod27]

Isn't the average age of a gamer these days like 30 years old?  I could be wrong though.  I know it's in the mid 20's at least.  Personally I'd be worried if people of that age hadn't been exposed to sex.

[Frozenmojo]

At least Jack Thompson's been disbarred

[Darpaek]

My only opinion concerning sex is DA:O is that I am happy that during the MM cutscene, you never see Zevran behind you. =D

[Slaign]

Ickabod27 wrote...

Isn't the average age of a gamer these days like 30 years old?  I could be wrong though.  I know it's in the mid 20's at least.  Personally I'd be worried if people of that age hadn't been exposed to sex.

For a game like Dragon Age I think the average age goes up, and the average serious games is probably like 21-27 on average. Still, with all the DSs, PSPs, and Wiis out there in the casual gaming market, I would be suprised if 8-16 didn't also make up a huge portion of the video game consumer base. However, I think the system works and that these kids mostly play games appropriate for them.

[Ryukahn]

I've never understood why US media has such a taboo regarding sex and whatnot while they show all kinds of extreme and graphic violence on a daily basis. The showing of such violence is much worse and damaging in my eyes, yet it is perfectly acceptable to the media, and apparently the general population.

[Banana Muffin]

I would like someone who honestly is of the same opinion as the ESRB seems to be to explain it to me because I just for the life of me can't understand it. The thought anyone could think that it is dangerous for someone under 18 to see a sex scene but it's completely fine to see scenes of dismemberment and killing in all it's gory details is just disgusting to me. It seems no one wants to stand by this opinion but still it's the one that rules.



And why do you need to be 18 to see sex anyway, it's extremely unusual to loose your virginity as late as 18, most people will be about 14-15 so it just seems ridiculous. Also in countries like the US where you have this extreme double standard about sex and the age of consent is 18 the avegare age of loosing your virginity is actually lower than in a country like Sweden where we see sex as something natural and the age of consent is 15

[Jack_Cheze]

Wow.... this is turning into a big debate...



I think the problem is that a lot of parents are lazy and want society to take some responsibility for them (and I think that sucks).

[Damar Stiehl]

TBH the game would've been better without the sex scenes altogether. Instead of "two jerky puppets in wool underwear and Fort Knox bra" I would rather see a fade-to-black. Anyone who would screw wearing THOSE duds probably belongs to some backwards religious sect that makes Pat Robertson look like a free-love nudist hippie.

Ironically, the man-on-man scene looks more genuine because of the camera angles avoiding the underwear... Isn't gay sex even more evil than straight sex?

[Ancastna]

Slaign wrote...

Ancastna wrote...

I wouldn't say that. It might be your love for Alistair that changes how the story ends.

Well I haven't finished the game, so I don't know. But I have editted my post to reflect that fact.

Thank you.  Good luck with the story.

If been told that the average gamer in the UK is actually 36 years old.

Modifié par Ancastna, 01 décembre 2009 - 03:03 .

[Banana Muffin]

Jack_Cheze wrote...

Wow.... this is turning into a big debate...

I think the problem is that a lot of parents are lazy and want society to take some responsibility for them (and I think that sucks).

This doesn't answer the question of how exactly it would be dangerous for teenagers or even kids to se sex scenes. No one seems to be able to give an aswer to that very straight forward question. Is there no one who dares try?

[Slaign]

I'd argue against the use of the "Why is sex worse than violence?" argument as well. It's just scapegoating one part of the game in order to justify another. Both parts should be acceptable. If not because, as I said, the taboo of the sex and violence is more harmful than seeing it, than because games are rated and steps are in place to keep kids from playing the mature ones.

[Banana Muffin]

Damar Stiehl wrote...

TBH the game would've been better without the sex scenes altogether. Instead of "two jerky puppets in wool underwear and Fort Knox bra" I would rather see a fade-to-black. Anyone who would screw wearing THOSE duds probably belongs to some backwards religious sect that makes Pat Robertson look like a free-love nudist hippie.
Ironically, the man-on-man scene looks more genuine because of the camera angles avoiding the underwear... Isn't gay sex even more evil than straight sex?

Actually the hetero sex with Alistair is fine, no underware in sight and the lighting makes Alistair look absolutely delicious.

[Jack_Cheze]

Banana Muffin wrote...

Jack_Cheze wrote...

Wow.... this is turning into a big debate...

I think the problem is that a lot of parents are lazy and want society to take some responsibility for them (and I think that sucks).

This doesn't answer the question of how exactly it would be dangerous for teenagers or even kids to se sex scenes. No one seems to be able to give an aswer to that very straight forward question. Is there no one who dares try?

I don't think it's dangerous at all, but it's not my job to determine anything for your kids. There are some backwards **** country bumpkins that think otherwise however

I guess that's my answer: It's not the public's job to decide what your children see, and it's sad that so many parents think it is.

[Slaign]

Banana Muffin wrote...

Jack_Cheze wrote...

Wow.... this is turning into a big debate...

I think the problem is that a lot of parents are lazy and want society to take some responsibility for them (and I think that sucks).

This doesn't answer the question of how exactly it would be dangerous for teenagers or even kids to se sex scenes. No one seems to be able to give an aswer to that very straight forward question. Is there no one who dares try?

I may be hammering away on a single point to hard here, but the harm of seeing sex and violence isn't in the experience itself, but in the taboo. We like to sit here and act like sex and violence isn't a part of who we are, a nessesary aspect of the human condition, and an intregal tool in storytelling by it's very nature. Meanwhile, we fill our entertainment mediums with these things, and while paying out the money that makes them successful, condemn them to save face.

Were society to accept that there is nothing inherently wrong with embracing our human nature and not shying away from the exploration of sex, violence, and our connection to it, it would not be harmful. It's our fear of these things that gives them power over us.

[Darpaek]

Banana Muffin wrote...

This doesn't answer the question of how exactly it would be dangerous for teenagers or even kids to se sex scenes. No one seems to be able to give an aswer to that very straight forward question. Is there no one who dares try?

Because in general American society violence is acceptable, but sexual promiscuity is not.

I think the question you intend to ask is why is violence acceptable in American society and not sex.  Well, if you're looking for an answer, go get a PhD in Sociology.  There are thousands of students right now striving to answer that question.

Here's a shot in the dark:  Puritans had to justify killing Indians to survive in the New World?  =P

[Banana Muffin]

Slaign wrote...

I'd argue against the use of the "Why is sex worse than violence?" argument as well. It's just scapegoating one part of the game in order to justify another. Both parts should be acceptable. If not because, as I said, the taboo of the sex and violence is more harmful than seeing it, than because games are rated and steps are in place to keep kids from playing the mature ones.

Well I actually argue that sex is not bad  at all  while violence is.

And the reason why that argument comes up is because ESRB accepts violence but not the teeniest bit of sex. So obviously there are people who think sex is worse than violence and I'd like to understand how they think.

[Slaign]

Or because on some base level we realize violence is necessary for our survival. Pacifism is nice in a Utopian world, but in reality it will just get you killed. If it weren't for how well we take to violence, we never would have survived to evolve to the point of abhorring it.



Still, sex is obviously just as necessary, so why do we shun it to the dark? Who knows.

[Ickabod27]

I'm reminded of the South Park movie, how violence was ok but a bad word wasn't. And since Bioware flies the Maple Leaf I have only one thing to say...



BLAME CANADA!

[Lasombra99]

Banana Muffin wrote...

Jack_Cheze wrote...

Wow.... this is turning into a big debate...

I think the problem is that a lot of parents are lazy and want society to take some responsibility for them (and I think that sucks).

This doesn't answer the question of how exactly it would be dangerous for teenagers or even kids to se sex scenes. No one seems to be able to give an aswer to that very straight forward question. Is there no one who dares try?

There is no blanket answer to the question. It depends on your personal beliefs and morals. What I might consider as innocent or a non issue might be a major issue for another depending on what they feel is best for them and their family. It is a case by case issue. That being said, I do not believe that someone else should push their morals on me. If you have an issue with sex in a game, dont buy the game. Seeing as I dont have an issue with the subject material, I will buy the game if I want to play it.

[Banana Muffin]

Slaign wrote...

Banana Muffin wrote...

Jack_Cheze wrote...

Wow.... this is turning into a big debate...

I think the problem is that a lot of parents are lazy and want society to take some responsibility for them (and I think that sucks).

This doesn't answer the question of how exactly it would be dangerous for teenagers or even kids to se sex scenes. No one seems to be able to give an aswer to that very straight forward question. Is there no one who dares try?

I may be hammering away on a single point to hard here, but the harm of seeing sex and violence isn't in the experience itself, but in the taboo. We like to sit here and act like sex and violence isn't a part of who we are, a nessesary aspect of the human condition, and an intregal tool in storytelling by it's very nature. Meanwhile, we fill our entertainment mediums with these things, and while paying out the money that makes them successful, condemn them to save face.

Were society to accept that there is nothing inherently wrong with embracing our human nature and not shying away from the exploration of sex, violence, and our connection to it, it would not be harmful. It's our fear of these things that gives them power over us.

How can you say that violence is as natural as sex. It's not natural to murder people od your species, it's extremely unnatural, almost no animals does it and humans only do it under unatural conditions. Sex however is quite essential for the survival of our species. However I don't think it's really matters what is natural or not. The important thing here if it's good to society or bad. Sex is good, I can't really see how it's bad in anyway as long as it involves consenting parties. Violence however is pretty much always bad. I don't want my kid to be exposed to to much violence to early because it would tend to make her think that violence is natural and might make her more violent.

[TileToad]

Banana Muffin wrote...
Well I actually argue that sex is not bad  at all  while violence is.

And the reason why that argument comes up is because ESRB accepts violence but not the teeniest bit of sex. So obviously there are people who think sex is worse than violence and I'd like to understand how they think.

I'd wager it has something to do with religious beliefs and its influence on society as a whole. I won't be able to explain it either otherwise.

[Banana Muffin]

Slaign wrote...

Or because on some base level we realize violence is necessary for our survival. Pacifism is nice in a Utopian world, but in reality it will just get you killed. If it weren't for how well we take to violence, we never would have survived to evolve to the point of abhorring it.

Still, sex is obviously just as necessary, so why do we shun it to the dark? Who knows.

Violence between humans are in no way necessary for our survival. Actually even violence against animals isn't strictly necessary as we could live fine as vegetarians.