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[Ghandorian]

fro7k wrote...

There was no sex in DA:O because penetration cannot occur while wearing underpants.

yes I can just here Alistair now "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" 

I wonder if any of this came up at the Corporate Responsibility Conference in Ottawa this past week. I hear there was some focus on the gaming industry but none of the details. Anybody from EA or BioWare there? It would be great to hear something form them.

[Ancastna]

We've stranded too far from actually talking about the relationships in Dragon Age, I think.

[TileToad]

Darpaek wrote...

Then these Europeans need to NOT blame American society because Morrigan's wearing a bra during a 20 second sex cutscene!

You know what else? The ESRB is private, and not government enforced, either. Again, most stores voluntarily chose to enforce ESRB ratings. We're not the Aussies who banned whole games outright from sale in their country!

To harp on American society because Americans chose to govern their own conduct free of government intervention is enraging! Whatever faults our society may have - liberty and responsibility trump their heavy-handed garbage ANYDAY.

Perhaps you can explain something to me..
I always thought governments were democratically chosen representatives for your countries society, whereas privately owned corporations (like stores) are greedy money making machines. Why would anyone prefer to be ruled by the latter? Or is being ruled by corporations your definition of liberty?

[johnnywillow]

Kids can't think for themselves.

Could you imagine if they put a softcore sex scene in this game!? Kids all over the world would be tearing their clothes off having sex with everything that moves. Its a good thing that they don't have video games where they have kids running around chopping peoples heads off with swords!



The fact that some parents are ok with the violence in games and are so against any kind of sexual reference in a game is insane.



Thanks to religion they have convinced just about everyone that sex is a sin therefore any reference to it in a video game is just wrong. How could the most natural thing in the world be wrong?



Does that mean I think young kids should be having sex? Of course not.

Does it mean having sexual references or a softcore sex scene in a game is going to make kids who are not sexually active start having sex? Of course not.



Honestly if kids were really that mindless and influential of a video game we better start thinking of removing all violence from all games.

[Creature 1]

The reason violence is more tolerated in entertainment in the US than sex:



Which is more likely, your 15-year-old son decapitating someone with a broadsword, or your 15-year-old son getting his girlfriend pregnant?

[Ghandorian]

TileToad wrote...

hellodie wrote...

Mostly agreed TileToad, though it hasn't stroke me as much yet. May be that I don't live in the same country.

To be perfectly honest, it's not the sex or violence that's tiring to me, it's the incessant media that carries it.
If we wouldn't be bombarded by all the media crap every day, we wouldn't be exposed to it so much either.

how else are they going to make money! It amazes me how something like FOX news can even exist!

[RavenNightsight]

Darpaek wrote...

That's an interesting analysis...

At 16, my girlfriend and I too thought that if we kept our underpants on that would prevent penetration. Boy... were we wrong... LOL

I had to laugh at this, and I apologize. when I was 20, my girlfriend got pregnant. I was wearing a condom and she on birth control....that was three years ago. My son and his mother are probably the best things to have ever happened to me though. I wouldn't change it for the world.

[Slaign]

Creature 1 wrote...

The reason violence is more tolerated in entertainment in the US than sex:

Which is more likely, your 15-year-old son decapitating someone with a broadsword, or your 15-year-old son getting his girlfriend pregnant?

Point taken. But I saw a lot more broken noses in High School than I did pregnant girls.

[KeeVasha]

thisisme8 wrote...

I find it disturbing that we don't mind our kids chopping people to pieces with knives, swords, axes, and what-not, but a little side-boob sends us all in a panic.

Totally Agree!

[Banana Muffin]

And still not even one answer to the question as to HOW exactly it could be dangerous for a minor to see sex in a videogame.

[TileToad]

Ghandorian wrote...

TileToad wrote...

hellodie wrote...

Mostly agreed TileToad, though it hasn't stroke me as much yet. May be that I don't live in the same country.

To be perfectly honest, it's not the sex or violence that's tiring to me, it's the incessant media that carries it.
If we wouldn't be bombarded by all the media crap every day, we wouldn't be exposed to it so much either.

how else are they going to make money! It amazes me how something like FOX news can even exist!

I dunno.. Why don't you go ask them?
I didn't say it could be stopped. I said that it was tiring to me.

[hellodie]

thisisme8 wrote...
I find
it disturbing that we don't mind our kids chopping people to pieces
with knives, swords, axes, and what-not, but a little side-boob sends
us all in a panic.

Well it IS a heroic fantasy game, not a porn one

Modifié par hellodie, 01 décembre 2009 - 05:14 .

[Banana Muffin]

Creature 1 wrote...

The reason violence is more tolerated in entertainment in the US than sex:

Which is more likely, your 15-year-old son decapitating someone with a broadsword, or your 15-year-old son getting his girlfriend pregnant?

But seriously, is there anyone that actually believe that a boy who saw a sideboob in a videogame is more likely to get his girlfriend pregnant than one who didn't?

[Slaign]

Seriously though, beyond my previous argument against that sort of point, why is it that when talking about sex in video games, people forget that violence in video games is constantly harped on and used to demonize the industry? Why is it you forget that the words "I don't want my kid playing those violent video games." are on the lips of every soccer mom? What makes you think when sex becomes the subject of discussion, the violence is then forgotten? They complain about that too.



Stop demonizing one aspect of the medium to sell another. Defend our right to mature themes of all types in games.



The reason sex issues seem to receive a bigger priority is twofold. First, the absurdity of getting bent out of shape about it. Second, it's less common. The constant hiss of anti-violent game propaganda has turned into white noise and we ignore it, but it is there.

[Darpaek]

TileToad wrote...

Perhaps you can explain something to me..
I always thought governments were democratically chosen representatives for your countries society, whereas privately owned corporations (like stores) are greedy money making machines. Why would anyone prefer to be ruled by the latter? Or is being ruled by corporations your definition of liberty?

The people who sell products are never going to chose NOT to make money.  Depravity sells.

They may chose to limit certain transactions to certain age groups because it's Good PR - hence more money.  But to equate a merchant conforming to societal mores to be ruled by said merchants is fallacious.  American "corporations" designed Grand Theft Auto, after all.  The only greater depravities you can find in the world exist in Japan - a far more conservative and mercantilist society than America.  Your assertion also ignores that your own domestic power interests have a far greater role in choosing your "democratically chosen representatives" than you ever will individually.

Again - you'll never understand liberty.  It's not the place of government to make choices for individual conduct within society.  We do not chose representatives to govern our individual conduct (unless said conduct infringes upon another's liberty - hence making certain conduct criminal).  Your country operates under a particular mode of censorship because Bismark made a decision for you concerning your conduct a century ago.  How is THAT superior?

[Creature 1]

Slaign wrote...

Creature 1 wrote...

The reason violence is more tolerated in entertainment in the US than sex:

Which is more likely, your 15-year-old son decapitating someone with a broadsword, or your 15-year-old son getting his girlfriend pregnant?

Point taken. But I saw a lot more broken noses in High School than I did pregnant girls.

For a teen, a broken nose is probably almost universally preferable to getting pregnant. 

It kind of makes sense that sex is more shunned in entertainment, because most Americans (the opinions of certain Swedes nothwithstanding) will never experience true violence, while almost all (the opinions of certain Swedes notwithstanding) will have sex.  For minors with the possibility of pregnancy, STDs (which can not be 100% avoided by condom use, while it does help), exploitation, and so forth, sex is actually more of a threat than violence. 

Also note that most of the increased violence in the US is attributable to demographic diversity.  Populations with less demographic diversity tend to be less violent.  This doesn't mean they're more virtuous, it just means they don't have some of the challenges that arise in a more diverse population. 

[ZeroPlan]

It's more likely he gets her pregnant, when he has absolutely no clue what he's doing

[Ghandorian]

Banana Muffin wrote...

Creature 1 wrote...

The reason violence is more tolerated in entertainment in the US than sex:

Which is more likely, your 15-year-old son decapitating someone with a broadsword, or your 15-year-old son getting his girlfriend pregnant?

But seriously, is there anyone that actually believe that a boy who saw a sideboob in a videogame is more likely to get his girlfriend pregnant than one who didn't?

Or do you mean one who watched the desire demon with that dandy little chain thing play with her nipples try a bit harder to get to second base tonight? Heck I know I'd like my wife to wear something like that to bed tonight instead of track pants.

So in the latter yes for sure. And that leads to your former question all the sooner does it not?

[F-C]

until they can come up with a real way to stop children from playing adult games then having sex in video games is always going to be an issue of controversy. the end.



btw i didnt really like getting redirected to your poll and then redirected again to see the article. i feel like you only posted this here to get more votes on your stupid poll. very shady if you ask me.

[Darpaek]

Ghandorian wrote...

Heck I know I'd like my wife to wear something like that to bed tonight instead of track pants.

Nevermind my earlier comment, then.  Maybe you should go back to marrying ****s. 

[Slaign]

Creature 1 wrote...

Slaign wrote...

Creature 1 wrote...

The reason violence is more tolerated in entertainment in the US than sex:

Which is more likely, your 15-year-old son decapitating someone with a broadsword, or your 15-year-old son getting his girlfriend pregnant?

Point taken. But I saw a lot more broken noses in High School than I did pregnant girls.

For a teen, a broken nose is probably almost universally preferable to getting pregnant. 

It kind of makes sense that sex is more shunned in entertainment, because most Americans (the opinions of certain Swedes nothwithstanding) will never experience true violence, while almost all (the opinions of certain Swedes notwithstanding) will have sex.  For minors with the possibility of pregnancy, STDs (which can not be 100% avoided by condom use, while it does help), exploitation, and so forth, sex is actually more of a threat than violence. 

Also note that most of the increased violence in the US is attributable to demographic diversity.  Populations with less demographic diversity tend to be less violent.  This doesn't mean they're more virtuous, it just means they don't have some of the challenges that arise in a more diverse population. 

Oh I know, I'm just saying it shows more misunderstanding on how to properly use violence than it does on how to protect yourself during sex. It's much easier to accidentally make a girl pregnatn than it is to accidentally kill someone. Violence is misused more, but it can be easier to mess up your life with sex.

We don't cover safe sex gracefully, but we do cover it. Violence we barely address. We just say it's bad and leave it at that. We don't teach about what makes us violent, when it's ok to be violent in self defense, and anger management. We just ignore it and punish mistakes.

I don't think shunning anything is the solution. Education is always preferable.

Modifié par Slaign, 01 décembre 2009 - 05:28 .

[Banana Muffin]

Slaign wrote...

Seriously though, beyond my previous argument against that sort of point, why is it that when talking about sex in video games, people forget that violence in video games is constantly harped on and used to demonize the industry? Why is it you forget that the words "I don't want my kid playing those violent video games." are on the lips of every soccer mom? What makes you think when sex becomes the subject of discussion, the violence is then forgotten? They complain about that too.

Stop demonizing one aspect of the medium to sell another. Defend our right to mature themes of all types in games.

The reason sex issues seem to receive a bigger priority is twofold. First, the absurdity of getting bent out of shape about it. Second, it's less common. The constant hiss of anti-violent game propaganda has turned into white noise and we ignore it, but it is there.

First of all no one ignore the anti-violent game propaganda, Ive read tons more articles about that than about the sex thing.

The difference is:

1. The absurd difference in the what  amount of violence vs the amount of sex it takes for people to get upset. read my previous post about ESRB.

2. The fact that sex is a natural and beautiful thing and violence is not at least not the sort of violence you can see in some video games.

Don't get me wrong though, I do like violence in video games and I think that the dangers of it is greatly exagerated. I still can at least understand the arguments against it while with the sex I just don't get it.

[Creature 1]

Ghandorian wrote...

Banana Muffin wrote...

Creature 1 wrote...

The reason violence is more tolerated in entertainment in the US than sex:

Which is more likely, your 15-year-old son decapitating someone with a broadsword, or your 15-year-old son getting his girlfriend pregnant?

But seriously, is there anyone that actually believe that a boy who saw a sideboob in a videogame is more likely to get his girlfriend pregnant than one who didn't?

Or do you mean one who watched the desire demon with that dandy little chain thing play with her nipples try a bit harder to get to second base tonight? Heck I know I'd like my wife to wear something like that to bed tonight instead of track pants.

So in the latter yes for sure. And that leads to your former question all the sooner does it not?

Well, Alistair getting all swoony over my character made me look forward to my husband getting home from work. 

Research into adolescents' exposure to sexual imagery in media or outright pornography show these tend to increase sexual activity: 

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/16585295


http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/19628142

Naive to think that the things that get adults "in the mood" would not have the same effect on minors. 

Modifié par Creature 1, 01 décembre 2009 - 05:31 .

[kalniel]

We've just had the bad sex in fiction awards in the UK, and like novels, sex in video games tends to be pretty bad. If a game actually managed to have decent sex then perhaps people would take the subject more seriously.