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[laker76]

I think it's great! makes the game more realistic. how could you be around sexy babes and not think of them sexually?

[Darpaek]

Slaign wrote...

We don't cover safe sex gracefully, but we do cover it. Violence we barely address. We just say it's bad and leave it at that. We don't teach about what makes us violent, when it's ok to be violent in self defense, and anger management. We just ignore it and punish mistakes.

I don't think shunning anything is the solution. Education is always preferable.

No offense, buddy - but I think your parents did you an injustice.  My father taught me the significance of violence and its applications.  In fact, I'm sure I've spent MANY more hours talking with him on the subject of the use violence than we ever discussed sex.

[exorzist]

I just once read the more people talk about sex, the more sex is everywhere, the less sex actually happens between people ...

[Slaign]

Well, It's been a fun conversation, and I hope I've made some other people think as much as others have me. I've come away from this with many of my opinions affirmed and it gives me hope to see some intellectual discussion of the topic. Just watching whats going on get's so depressing, it's good to know some people have a decent head on their shoulders.



Unfortunately I've been at this for over an hour and I really want to play some of the actual game today, so I'm going to have to drop out of the discussion for now. Thanks for the discussion.

[Ghandorian]

Darpaek wrote...

Ghandorian wrote...

Heck I know I'd like my wife to wear something like that to bed tonight instead of track pants.

Nevermind my earlier comment, then.  Maybe you should go back to marrying ****s. 

lol but if my music teacher schooled me some lessons at 14 that would be SCORE right? 

But given the context of this game and forum the conversation has to be about the exploitation of teenage buyers with the lure of sexual content. That seems something you have a firm position on form what I read earlier?

[Slaign]

Darpaek wrote...

No offense, buddy - but I think your parents did you an injustice.  My father taught me the significance of violence and its applications.  In fact, I'm sure I've spent MANY more hours talking with him on the subject of the use violence than we ever discussed sex.

Well I had to take a moment to clear this up, but then I'm going to go play

My parents did well in teaching me the things I need to know and encouraging my curiosity. I'm not speaking of the way I was raised. I'm speaking of the way I see others being raised, and how the public education is approached. When parents fail to take an active enough role in education, it falls on our public education system, and while it covers the basics of sex, psychology and violence are left in the dark.

[Darpaek]

Ghandorian wrote...

lol but if my music teacher schooled me some lessons at 14 that would be SCORE right? 

OUCH BRO!

I think I hear Paul Shaffer giving you a drumroll in the background somewhere... =P

[Damar Stiehl]

Funny thing is, it's not just crazy fundies and dedicated puritans that are leading the moral crusade against sex and nudity; the bulk of it are regular joe schmoes and their soccer/security mom spouses. Nobody wants their "little angels" to see the naughty bits, and funnily enough, the "little angels" buy into it wholesale as they grow up.



It's not just in the US, either (though the good old US of A is the easiest target to pick on). Look up Saint Tropez sometime and read up on the recent demise of nudism where it was once a social norm... Young(er) people choose bodily shame and chaste virtues over the 70s concepts of freedom, it is everywhere and probably won't change within yours, mine or our children's lifetime.



Suck it up.

[exorzist]

Here is something interesting I found regarding this topic.

Author Jonathan Littell has won the 17th annual Bad Sex In Fiction Award, for his novel The Kindly Ones.

Click here.

Modifié par exorzist, 01 décembre 2009 - 05:46 .

[Banana Muffin]

Creature 1 wrote...

Slaign wrote...

Creature 1 wrote...

The reason violence is more tolerated in entertainment in the US than sex:

Which is more likely, your 15-year-old son decapitating someone with a broadsword, or your 15-year-old son getting his girlfriend pregnant?

Point taken. But I saw a lot more broken noses in High School than I did pregnant girls.

For a teen, a broken nose is probably almost universally preferable to getting pregnant. 

It kind of makes sense that sex is more shunned in entertainment, because most Americans (the opinions of certain Swedes nothwithstanding) will never experience true violence, while almost all (the opinions of certain Swedes notwithstanding) will have sex.  For minors with the possibility of pregnancy, STDs (which can not be 100% avoided by condom use, while it does help), exploitation, and so forth, sex is actually more of a threat than violence. 

Also note that most of the increased violence in the US is attributable to demographic diversity.  Populations with less demographic diversity tend to be less violent.  This doesn't mean they're more virtuous, it just means they don't have some of the challenges that arise in a more diverse population. 

Well in Sweden teenage pregnancies are virtually nonexistant, make of that what you want.
As for STDs it's a kind of stupid argument as to why sex would be bad for young people as you are as likely to get it when you are adult. Also it has nothing to do with sex itself it's not different from getting other contagious diseases. It's important to know that you can use a condom to prevent STDs in the same way it's important to know that you should wash your hands after you've been to the toilet or to shower, sneeze in your armpit and shower on occation. Even more important is what you eat and that you exercise (sex is good excercise). There are a lot more americans dying of obesity than of STDs

[Darpaek]

Slaign wrote...

My parents did well in teaching me the things I need to know and encouraging my curiosity. I'm not speaking of the way I was raised. I'm speaking of the way I see others being raised, and how the public education is approached. When parents fail to take an active enough role in education, it falls on our public education system, and while it covers the basics of sex, psychology and violence are left in the dark.

I don't agree with that, per se.  While public middle schools may offer sex ed, but not a specific "violence ed" class, I think public schooling teaches a lot of important lessons outside of the classroom - not the least to mention is the most obvious example of bullying.  If certain indivduals fail to learn the lesson, that's hardly an indictment on the institution.

[Darpaek]

Banana Muffin wrote...

Well in Sweden teenage pregnancies are virtually nonexistant, make of that what you want.

IT'S TOO COLD TO TAKE OFF YOUR KNICKERS IN THE BACK OF A PICKUP TRUCK!!!!!

[Banana Muffin]

Darpaek wrote...

Banana Muffin wrote...

Well in Sweden teenage pregnancies are virtually nonexistant, make of that what you want.

IT'S TOO COLD TO TAKE OFF YOUR KNICKERS IN THE BACK OF A PICKUP TRUCK!!!!!

We don't have sex in cars, we have sex inside mostly. And no one uses pickup trucks.

[Darpaek]

Of course, there's going to be less opportunities to have teenage sex inside!!! That's why American kids buy pickup trucks!!!



Or... centuries of blonde/blue-eye'd inbreeding have stunted your people's ability to reproduce?



Maybe a combination of these factors?

[Templar Vilmon]

One thing that amazes me is that the typical culture warriors haven't condemned Dragon Age for allowing players to have gay/lesbian/bi sex. Zevran alone should have caused Jack Thompson to have a brain aneurysm.



As far as the poor quality of DA's sex scenes, I take it in stride along with the buckets of fake blood. While this game has at times made me feel like I was in an epic storyline, at other times I feel like I'm in a grindhouse parody. And I'm actually ok with that.

[Banana Muffin]

Damar Stiehl wrote...

Funny thing is, it's not just crazy fundies and dedicated puritans that are leading the moral crusade against sex and nudity; the bulk of it are regular joe schmoes and their soccer/security mom spouses. Nobody wants their "little angels" to see the naughty bits, and funnily enough, the "little angels" buy into it wholesale as they grow up.

It's not just in the US, either (though the good old US of A is the easiest target to pick on). Look up Saint Tropez sometime and read up on the recent demise of nudism where it was once a social norm... Young(er) people choose bodily shame and chaste virtues over the 70s concepts of freedom, it is everywhere and probably won't change within yours, mine or our children's lifetime.

Suck it up.

Well I can't speak for the rest of Europe but there is a very big difference between how Americans and Swedes view nudity at least. For us nudity doesn't have that much to do with sex at all really. Americans think it's pervertet to let children be naked, we think that americans are perverted for thinking about sex when they see a naked kid.

[Whist Darkblade]

okay i tried to hold back from this dicussion. I dont know the ages of the main posters in this thread and i really dont care.



The reason sex is shunned in media and entertainment is buecuase it was once considered a "private" act, and would be DEEPLY embarrasing to both the male and female involved if it was found out. It was worse than if someone walked in on you if you were in the restroom.



Nowadays sure, sex is MUCH more prevelant than it was say 10 years ago when i was in middle school, but violence was still more readily avasiliable. There was always fights at lunch, never girls getting knocked up or giving favors in the restrooms. Once i got to highschool it changed. All the guys lost thier balls or something to start the fights, so they were just trash talking. but there were new stories everyday of a girl or girls who put out.

[Banana Muffin]

Darpaek wrote...

Of course, there's going to be less opportunities to have teenage sex inside!!! That's why American kids buy pickup trucks!!!

Or... centuries of blonde/blue-eye'd inbreeding have stunted your people's ability to reproduce?

Maybe a combination of these factors?

No, the thing is that swedish parent are usually ok with their teenagers having sex so they can have sex at home.

If you'd actually been to Sweden you'd know that most of us aren't blond actually. Believe it or not we even have black people.

[ZeroPlan]

Well I can't speak for the rest of Europe but there is a very big difference between how Americans and Swedes view nudity at least. For us nudity doesn't have that much to do with sex at all really. Americans think it's pervertet to let children be naked, we think that americans are perverted for thinking about sex when they see a naked kid.

As a german i sign this statement.

[-Area51-Silent]

I think as we move foward into story telling, and take aspects of historic events that occur and attempt to add a human aspect to the game, people should really think about what offends them. I have a very hard time understanding why people feel that sex is so offensive, compared to other things that are more feely viewable everywhere.



I don't mean to point any fingers or say that game devs shouldnt feel they are free to write and animate what makes a game more realistic, but in the world of "offensive nature" I would say some of the scenes in Modern Warfare 2 would be more "offensive" than a sex scene. I am fairly sure most of you read the articles about game releases I mean on one hand kill innocent civilians in a way that could chill most people to the core, on the other hand, sex in a game.



What is not understood by most writers who speak out about sex and violence in a video game, is that a video game is no longer "Super Mario Brothers" ( but come on, eating mushrooms and flowers and you mean to tell me there is no drug inuendo :-P ), games have evolved into a complex story telling media like movies and books. Games have ratings just like movies do, which is why I fail to understand the issues as well, Nudity in a movie is no big deal, should it be in a game ( I mean real thing vs. pixles/polygons).



If the only argument is that "but my kids own an Xbox360/PS3/PC they should be able to play anything they want, and I shouldnt have to worry about it," you probably own a DVD player too, but you wouldnt buy your kids somthing R-rated if they werent at a maturity level to handle it now would you.



my 2 cents.

[johnnywillow]

Remember the good old days when the religious nuts tried to band the evil of Rock and Roll.

[Darpaek]

Why the **** would anyone visit Sweden?

Whist Darkblade wrote...

Nowadays sure, sex is MUCH more prevelant than it was say 10 years ago when i was in middle school, but violence was still more readily avasiliable. There was always fights at lunch, never girls getting knocked up or giving favors in the restrooms. Once i got to highschool it changed. All the guys lost thier balls or something to start the fights, so they were just trash talking. but there were new stories everyday of a girl or girls who put out.

That's hardly unique to our generation.  I think there's always been a point where kids realize its more fun to **** than it is fight.  It's just the natural process of adolescence.

[F-C]

Banana Muffin wrote...

Well I can't speak for the rest of Europe but there is a very big difference between how Americans and Swedes view nudity at least. For us nudity doesn't have that much to do with sex at all really. Americans think it's pervertet to let children be naked, we think that americans are perverted for thinking about sex when they see a naked kid.

clothing your kids is in a sense a protection from pedofiles. there are lots of them all over the place, and having your children run around nude is only going to serve to provoke those perverts.

i would think its rather naive to have naked kids running around and thinking there is nothing wrong with it in todays world where its common knowledge that there are sick and twisted people out there who will see that as a method of pleasuring themself.

[Skemte]

Cydz wrote...

That there is sex in DA:O is news to me. i unlocked all romance options but i have yet to see any sex. hell In some cases my pc even did the cuddle scene in full armor+helmet.

Sounds hot.

[Templar Vilmon]

Banana Muffin wrote...

Damar Stiehl wrote...

Funny thing is, it's not just crazy fundies and dedicated puritans that are leading the moral crusade against sex and nudity; the bulk of it are regular joe schmoes and their soccer/security mom spouses. Nobody wants their "little angels" to see the naughty bits, and funnily enough, the "little angels" buy into it wholesale as they grow up.

It's not just in the US, either (though the good old US of A is the easiest target to pick on). Look up Saint Tropez sometime and read up on the recent demise of nudism where it was once a social norm... Young(er) people choose bodily shame and chaste virtues over the 70s concepts of freedom, it is everywhere and probably won't change within yours, mine or our children's lifetime.

Suck it up.

Well I can't speak for the rest of Europe but there is a very big difference between how Americans and Swedes view nudity at least. For us nudity doesn't have that much to do with sex at all really. Americans think it's pervertet to let children be naked, we think that americans are perverted for thinking about sex when they see a naked kid.

I'll agree with you about the nudity part when it comes to adults. Having visited topless beaches in Greece, I don't see why Americans are so hung up about adult nudity.
 
Completely disagree with you about child nudity. Maybe a lot of American parents (myself included) just don't want to take chances when it comes to attracting sex predators. Normal adults do not think about sex when they see naked children - but a few perverts do.