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[Aidunno]

Have to agree with Muffin here... Also want to throw into the discussion that what is worse is the continuing trend for childrens fashion.. Bikini's at ages 2-4, tank tops, mini dresses. It's no longer beauty pageants only it's society trying to make children look older. (Englishman living in Germany)

Edit due to Darpaek's response while entering this:

What do you find more provocative... A naked body or a body scantily dressed one which suggests and draws the eye ?

Modifié par Aidunno, 01 décembre 2009 - 06:57 .

[Magaloo]

Darpaek wrote...

Again... not trying to jump on the Dateline bandwagon...

But, logically, if I let my child run around naked outside it would seem that it would make my child more appealing to the abduction/molester-type (as incredibly rare as they may be...)

It's also logical, that if I am in constant supervision of my naked child outside, that it is very unlikely that an abduction molester-type would be successful. However, despite my vigilance, the latent abduction/molester type may also become aroused and therefore more willing to engage in their certain depravity.

Ergo, if I allowed my child to run around naked outside - even under constant supervision - wouldn't I make it more likely for someone else's child to be abducted and raped by providing arousal to the abductor?

I would argue that there is a huge difference in dressing your kid and overtly sexual clothing such as short shirt with things like "spoiled" "princess" "juicy" all over the chest and butt and running around naked.  If I had a 8-10 year old girl to have her just in her panties at the beach while she plays in the sand to me it spells innocence and childhood.  But often instead you see that age playing like they are way older with make up, provocative clothing and then in my opinion they are at risk to appeal someone or something that is way out of line.

[-Area51-Silent]

ok, well then I am not telling you to buy your kid the game and watch him or her play it i.e allowing your child to run around outside naked. My statement would be Don't let your kid run around outside naked, which would be the idea, don't buy them the game.



Ignoring the kids running around outside naked and believing that the police should be taking care of the child molestors of the world isn't exactly feasable, sort of like censoring the media isnt either. You either take an active role in deciding what your kids do or dont do (not just watching them do as they please) or the consequences will be spelled out later.



I am not trying to be harsh, I am just being realistic.

[johnnywillow]

Its not like we are asking for a bloody full on sex scene in video games. But the fact that I have seen animations cut so that one could only guess if they hooked up or not is silly. Would it be too damaging to a kid to see the two lying in bed together or getting out of bed? I mean you wouldn't want a kid to think adults sometimes sleep together.



Really though, would that be too much to ask for. Is that really going to make susie q drop her pants for the next guy she sees?

[Darpaek]

Children wearing makeup and dressing in lowrides with thongs is neither here nor there in relation to my argument. If it's inappropriate to dress your child like a ****, then it would also be inappropriate to not dress them at all, right?

[Creature 1]

johnnywillow wrote...

Creature 1 wrote...

Banana Muffin wrote...

Well in Sweden teenage pregnancies are virtually nonexistant, make of that what you want.
As for STDs it's a kind of stupid argument as to why sex would be bad for young people as you are as likely to get it when you are adult. Also it has nothing to do with sex itself it's not different from getting other contagious diseases. It's important to know that you can use a condom to prevent STDs in the same way it's important to know that you should wash your hands after you've been to the toilet or to shower, sneeze in your armpit and shower on occation. Even more important is what you eat and that you exercise (sex is good excercise). There are a lot more americans dying of obesity than of STDs

Do they not teach debate in Sweden?  They seem to do everything else so well!  

STDs are of great importance for adolescents.  Adolescents have different brain function from adults that results in generally poor planning and problem-solving skills and impulsivity problems.  This leads to more irresponsible sexual conduct when they do have sex.  Teens are less likely to use condoms than adults.  Additionally, when teens do get STDs, they usually have worse access to healthcare than adults.  True, some because they don't want their parents to know they were having sex, but also because they try to address symptoms by visiting Yahoo Answers instead of the doctor.  Additionally, many women in the US get screened regularly for cervical cancer and common STDs because their insurance requires an annual exam in order to cover oral contraceptives--if teens are not on contraceptives or obtain them by a different route they're likely to miss this screening. 

Most STDs do not kill people, but the most common bacterial STDs, chlamydia and gonorrhea, can lead to sterility if untreated--and these STDs also commonly do not produce symptoms.  Teens tend to pass HPV around like it's the common cold, which in most cases does not matter, but can result in cervical cancer.  The recommended frequency of Pap smears decreases with age because older women tend to have settled down to a long-term partner, while younger women have more partners, increasing their risk of exposure to HPV.  Having sex at an earlier age increases risks of cervical cancer, some of this is probably due to an increased number of partners, but it's thought physiological factors may be involved (perhaps an immature cervix is more prone to colonization by HPV?)  HPV vaccination should decrease the prevalence of cervical cancer, but at the moment we don't have a vaccine for all oncogenic strains of HPV. 

Condoms do reduce odds of transmitting STDs, but they do not totally prevent them.  Some STDs, like HPV and herpes, are not effectively prevented by condom use.  I'm personally interested in HIV-1, and odds of transmission for HIV-1 are cut by 80% with consistent condom use--true, a big decrease, but that extra 20% is an extremely significant gap when it comes to a historically terminal disease.  And of course if a condom is not used, it can't help at all. 

So, yes, if we move the average age of first sexual activity further on, we should see a decrease in STDs in the population, and we should see the cases that do appear being treated more rapidly. 

Teen sex is not shockingly awful, but it's also not something to dismiss by saying sex is natural, so it must always be good. 

I don't see how banning rock and roll or a mild softcore sex scene in a video game is going to solve these problems. Like someone else said, parents need to start parenting and stop blaming rock and roll.

Never said it would.  In fact DA either needs more nudity or just fade to black.  But if it did have more nudity it should get a parental advisory sticker. 

[-Area51-Silent]

What does this have to do with nudity in video game again?

[Banana Muffin]

johnnywillow wrote...

Its not like we are asking for a bloody full on sex scene in video games.

I wouldn't mind that 

[Darpaek]

Honestly, there's no shortage of full on sex simulators out there. I'd just like to interject that.

[UnDutchable]

To those of you saying you wouldn't let your child run around naked outside because it would attract predators... You know most children get molested by someone close to them, right?



It's not some unknown predator lurking in the shadows you should be worried about, it's close family, friends, church members, fellow parents at sports practice, etcetera. All this talk about "stranger danger" just takes the attention away from the real predators: the people who are in a positition of trust, which they can abuse to make children do things they don't want to do.



It's nice to think of child molesters as monstrous strangers, coming out of the bushes to kidnap your children and do unspeakable things to them. But in reality, it's usually someone you thought to have nothing but good intentions, someone you'd never believe would do anything to harm you or those you love - which, incidentally, is exactly why these people pick their victims and why the victims often are afraid to tell.



How is not letting your kids run around naked going to protect them from that?



By the way, countries where people have no problem seeing naked children don't tend to have higher rates of child abuse, as far as I know.

[Magaloo]

Darpaek wrote...

Children wearing makeup and dressing in lowrides with thongs is neither here nor there in relation to my argument. If it's inappropriate to dress your child like a ****, then it would also be inappropriate to not dress them at all, right?

Well it all depends on the situation does it not?  If you ever draw nude models or go to a nude beach... you dont see most people as a sexual object of desire most of the time.  I dont say there is not a guy or a girl that will once in a while make me skip a beat but as a whole its a naked body big deal.  Same goes with everyone children and adults. 

I do think it is in a large part cultural and maybe if I was a guy I would also think differently.  But I still think dressing a 10 year old like a **** is worst than having her naked yes.

Just like the love making scenes in the game were tastefull and in context but if while I am hugging Alistair, Zevran entered with ropes and invited himself ... I would have said whoa did not ask for this.

[immateriaux]

My own view of the original point is that there is simply not enough sex in Dragon Age, or other games for that matter. In the twenty years or so I've been a voting adult, I've had sex far, far more times than I've killed people. Yet start the average game and I've probably hacked down two people in half before even getting my eyes properly focused on the screen. It is beyond silly that games can cavort with billions of streaming pixels and various stunning smoke or sunlight effects, brag of acute realism, then run away shy at the prospect of someone's nipple being on view somewhere. I really would like to see lavish amounts of sex, to the extent that it becomes as ordinary as killing people, and then maybe we'd culturally grow up a bit.

[Darpaek]

DON'T VISIT ISABELLA WITH ZEVRAN! =P

[Banana Muffin]

-Area51-Silent wrote...

ok, well then I am not telling you to buy your kid the game and watch him or her play it i.e allowing your child to run around outside naked. My statement would be Don't let your kid run around outside naked, which would be the idea, don't buy them the game.

Ignoring the kids running around outside naked and believing that the police should be taking care of the child molestors of the world isn't exactly feasable, sort of like censoring the media isnt either. You either take an active role in deciding what your kids do or dont do (not just watching them do as they please) or the consequences will be spelled out later.

I am not trying to be harsh, I am just being realistic.

In Sweden it's natural for everyone to let small children run around naked (if it's warm, which it usually isn't) and we do not have more cases of child molestation than any other country. Besides I already said that I watch my kid, I'm generally more afraid that she will be run over by a car than taken by a pedophile though.

[johnnywillow]

Banana Muffin wrote...

johnnywillow wrote...

Its not like we are asking for a bloody full on sex scene in video games.

I wouldn't mind that 

lol yeah I could live that. Of couse a game with that kind of content would have to have an x rated attached to it.
And if you think that would scar your kid in some way then don't let them play it. I could live with that.

[Banana Muffin]

Darpaek wrote...

Honestly, there's no shortage of full on sex simulators out there. I'd just like to interject that.

But do they have Alistair?

[Dark83]

Creature 1 wrote...

So, yes, if we move the average age of first sexual activity further on, we should see a decrease in STDs in the population, and we should see the cases that do appear being treated more rapidly. 

The current policy and attitudes in the US is blatantly and very obviously failing at this. Again - forbid it and you end up making it "adults-only", which directly adds to it being "adult" behavior, which directly leads to punk kids trying to be adult - hence sex and drinking - but without the maturity and knowledge they should have. Further, by making such behaviors forbidden, it becomes taboo to talk about it, which means they have no access to any information.

[johnnywillow]

Never said it would.  In fact DA either needs more nudity or just fade to black.  But if it did have more nudity it should get a parental advisory sticker. 

I would be fine with those options.

[MartinJHolm]

This thread is completely derailed into something that has nothing to do with the game.



Also there is NO SEX in the game, nudity is not sex.

[Magaloo]

Darpaek wrote...

DON'T VISIT ISABELLA WITH ZEVRAN! =P

Well that is different because you do ask for it.  I asked for it when I brought Alistair too.  Unfortunatly seems he valued our relationship too much... pity.

[ZeroPlan]

To be honest in DA is no sex at all. All you see is a bit kissing. No nudity. That's all. To call this sexual content is really hard to understand, sorry. In Germany this game has mature rating 18+ , too. But not because of the so called sex scenes, it's the grade of violence shown in game, wich gave it the mature rating. And this is ok, violence is much more of a problem today, than seeing two people kissing each other. All this talking about that as sex, is nothing other than pure hypocriticism.

[XOGHunter246]

harden him

[Magaloo]

Banana Muffin wrote...

Darpaek wrote...

Honestly, there's no shortage of full on sex simulators out there. I'd just like to interject that.

But do they have Alistair?

This!

[-Area51-Silent]

Banana Muffin wrote...

-Area51-Silent wrote...

ok, well then I am not telling you to buy your kid the game and watch him or her play it i.e allowing your child to run around outside naked. My statement would be Don't let your kid run around outside naked, which would be the idea, don't buy them the game.

Ignoring the kids running around outside naked and believing that the police should be taking care of the child molestors of the world isn't exactly feasable, sort of like censoring the media isnt either. You either take an active role in deciding what your kids do or dont do (not just watching them do as they please) or the consequences will be spelled out later.

I am not trying to be harsh, I am just being realistic.

In Sweden it's natural for everyone to let small children run around naked (if it's warm, which it usually isn't) and we do not have more cases of child molestation than any other country. Besides I already said that I watch my kid, I'm generally more afraid that she will be run over by a car than taken by a pedophile though.

I suppose I explained this wrong. What I am trying to point out is letting your children do certain things that YOU believe will have a negative out come regardless of whether you watch them do this questionable action does not change the fact that they are still doing it.

If you believe letting your children run around outside will attract pedophiles whether you watch them or not, it's still a questionable thing you allowing your childen to engage in. If YOU feel it's questionable then YOU should be taking a more active role in not allowing them to do so, if you do not, well there ya go! :-)

[Darpaek]

I know! My lil city elf hottie hooked up with Leli before Alistair - and Alistair is the ONLY dude in the WORLD that would have a problem with that... WTF! He even makes a stupid joke about it?!?!?!



Was it REALLY necessary to have Alistair complain? I mean - Leli's going to complain and you get the "only one relationship at a time" thing Bio's going for (for the epilogue or whatever) either way. How much more a wuss did they have to make this guy to make him appealing to the Anomen crowd out there?!