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[Shepard108278]

I pretty much agree but you are a bit too harsh. I am glad that they are just adding to not changing the ending.

[sistersafetypin]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

No.

AAA games don't get drastic price cuts for a minority 

[BlkDr4gon00]

Also after rereading your post it seems like your post is just blaming others for not following your specific play style and rule set...if that is the case then congratulations, you have won the internet.

[Draconis6666]

What you chose is irrelevant the ending is crap simply because the lead writer himself has flat out stated the ending was not intended to End anything. Thats the most moronic statement that has ever come out of anyone's mouth in terms of ideas on how to end a story of this magnitude. If they want to make the endings they have work thats fine, the problem is they made the ones they have so bad and so glaringly detached from the series that clarifying them to the point where it makes sense without further tearing apart the rest of the series is nearly impossible.

The current ending tears the entire point of the series apart and in multiple ways almost totally invalidates the entire first game. Just explaining what the ending means wont change this and not doing so will still make it a terrible ending. The ending itself is flat out the worst of the various endings they have mentioned they went through. They purposely cut tons of things that would have made it better, in the name of being artsy and edgy and "not telling you stuff cus you dont need to know" what it comes down to is the people responsible for writing this ending are terrible writers. The theme of the ending itself is fine, the three choices themselves are fine, in a vacum. The problem is that the presentation is atrocious and terrible, and even more of an issue is that its a detached plot that is never mentioned prior to the last 10-15 minutes. There is no buildup or allusion to any of it, the ending actualy makes more sense if you have never played the series than it does if you have played all three games. You almost cannot properly clarify this ending without tearing into the entire franchise. If they manage to pull it off then thats great but its very unlikely that such a weak attempt to fix the issue is going to solve anything.

[Flextt]

If I would think, Bioware would have understood their own key themes, which are more than "organics vs synthetics", I would be inclined to agree. As it currently stands, previous themes are either undeveloped or non-existent in the ending.
So,

No

[Balmung31]

So since the pro-gay relationships crowd for ME3 were a minority, Bioware should NOT have listened to them?

[BaladasDemnevanni]

OP's about as dumb as they come, or a troll.

[Admiral-Hackett]

poundoffleshaa wrote...

You could always try another poll troll to see who is in the majority when it comes down to opinions on the ending that might even be quite revealing.   

[Ossborn76]

I´m sorry to say, but I know EXACTLY, who my Shepard is, and I know EXACTLY, that she absolutely would hate the final result of her journey!

Oh and Zardoc... nice picture... it just misses the quote: When something is so f...ing retarded, a full and proper facepalm isn´t even necessary!

[Zix13]

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

OP's about as dumb as they come, or a troll.

You know someone's an idiot when they start off saying "Yeaaaaaa I'm smarter than all of you"

[KevShep]

Luzarius  

The catalyst was the worst part.

 Fact- He is the citadel which means that he could have just activated the citadel in ME1 instead of using the keepers (and or Sovereign). Using the keepers is how there plan got ruined, the protheans found the hidden signal! 

Fact- If he is the citadel then the reapers did not need to leave behind a reaper (sovereign) to watch the galaxy progession. All he would have to do is indoctrinate the leaders of every cycle and that way he can watch more then Sovereign ever could!

Fact- You dont introduce a new villin in the last 5 fu*king min of a whole entire series. Its NOT a smart move!

Fact- If he is the citadel then WHY did he leave the conduit in ME1 on the citadel? He should have known what it was when the 12 surviving protheans used it.

Fact- Luzarius...You dont understand!

[Comguard2]

Argumentation of OP didn't convince me.

[Seanze329]

Just... wrong.

[Hudathan]

I agree with your ideas but perhaps not the way you executed it, much like how I feel about the ending.

[Crocmon]

Evil_medved wrote...

The catalyst was a brilliant concept.

I honestly quit reading after the title. OP is just a white-knight fighting for all the wrong causes. Brown-nosing EA/Bioware won't get you anywhere, friend.

Modifié par Crocmon, 24 mars 2012 - 11:34 .

[Rogue Unit]

Balmung31 wrote...

So since the pro-gay relationships crowd for ME3 were a minority, Bioware should NOT have listened to them?

[Dreogan]

Let me get this right: it's our fault the endings suck?

[Dridengx]

Luzarius wrote...

Reloading a different ending PROVES you're playing an indecisive shepard

Anyone who reloads and chooses a different ending doesn't deserve to be heard in my controversial opinion. These types of people are not true mass effect fans, just meta gamers who have no idea what they're doing and have no idea who their shepard is.

* FACT: By reloading and choosing a different ending it shows you don't understand your shepard
* FACT: It shows you're indecisive
* FACT: You pick options based upon how you feel instead of adhereing to your characters personality
* FACT: It shows you didn't understand how important the organic vs synthetic theme was in the ME series

If you actually reloaded just to see a different ending then you have failed your character.  But don't worry, you can redeem yourself. Go back to ME1 and restart a new character, pick a roleplaying ruleset for shep and stick to it. Then when you get to the end of ME3 pick the option that makes the most sense and leave it there.  Does everything fall into place?

(Ok wait, was the normandy part confusing? Yes, I agree.  How did Shep end up back on earth? Yes, confusing. But other than that everything was done very well imo).

You can't be that smart if you expected 16 completely different endings.

Every human is capable of "pattern detection". It's a very simple concept.

ME1 - One Ending
ME2 - Two Endings with slight color change for destroy or save collector base.
ME3 - Three Endings with slight color change and different video.

* Endings in which you fail don't count since you let your shepard down. If your ems score was low that's your own fault for skipping dialogue and failing basic language comprehension. If you don't have the ability to compare,  contrast and comprehend that is your own fault.
* But in me2 if one companion survived and another didn't, it makes it a different ending right? NO, WRONG!

Who would actually expect 16 completely different endings? It just goes to show how much you don't understand Bioware and you fail as a fan. YOU LET BIOWARE DOWN or maybe you didnt' play ME1 & ME2 in which you fail again.

Expecting a happy ending?

You obviously missed the boat. Do you know what a reaper is? Do you realize how old and powerful it is? Did you really think you'd get a happy ending? Did you skip all the dialogue?

I thought it was brilliant and if you didn't understand then you FAIL. The proof is if you reloaded and chose a different ending. If you did that, it PROVES that you failed to understand Shepard and the Mass Effect Universe. Now go uninstall the game, you don't deserve it.

FACT: The proof that you fail is if you reloaded and chose a different ending due to you failing to understand Commander Shepard and the main Mass Effect theme (organics & synthetics).

beautiful and wonderfully well put unfortunately you will be trolled because these 'fans' are in denial

kudos for being a real RPGer on BSN! I thought they died after NWN

Modifié par Dridengx, 24 mars 2012 - 11:35 .

[Nefelius]

OP, you play your Shepard wrong because you don't play it like i do, Yeah, right back at ya.
And robots vs organics never was a main theme.
Free will vs destiny was. Until the space idiot.

[liggy002]

So are you saying that we shouldn't get extra gameplay through DLC after the ending because that is what the ending sets it up for? (the one where Shepard wakes up or breaths).  A current ending that is just explained without additional gameplay is a cop out.  Also, the future DLC (non ending DLC) would be multiple stories not "one more story" as the old man says at the end.  It seems like a pretty important story and that sounds like a post ending DLC.  I am fine with the endings as they are, but only if they add on to them (yes, Indoctrination theory).  If they try to explain the endings they have without adding anything, that is a big fail because the plot holes are so large that no amount of explaining can close them unless you go with the indoctrination theory.  Well, ok to be fair, it could be an explanation other than the indoctrination theory, but it had better be an amazing explanation, one that competes with or transcends the indoctrination theory.  That I doubt.  Just an ending cutscene but with no gameplay just won't cut it either.  I want to continue my story in my control and defeat Harbinger.

Modifié par liggy002, 24 mars 2012 - 11:35 .

[iiNOMADii]

Dur if you don't play the game like me you're not a true fan dur.

Who taught you to troll like that? Your skills are amazing.

[Draconis6666]

KevShep wrote...

Luzarius  

The catalyst was the worst part.

 Fact- He is the citadel which means that he could have just activated the citadel in ME1 instead of using the keepers (and or Sovereign). Using the keepers is how there plan got ruined, the protheans found the hidden signal! 

Fact- If he is the citadel then the reapers did not need to leave behind a reaper (sovereign) to watch the galaxy progession. All he would have to do is indoctrinate the leaders of every cycle and that way he can watch more then Sovereign ever could!

Fact- You dont introduce a new villin in the last 5 fu*king min of a whole entire series. Its NOT a smart move!

Fact- If he is the citadel then WHY did he leave the conduit in ME1 on the citadel? He should have known what it was when the 12 surviving protheans used it.

Fact- Luzarius...You dont understand!

Not even just that but the entire plot the Catalyst introduces comes out of nowhere and is itself logicaly rediculous. None of the sub themes or themes of the series matter in the end the entire end is just "organics vs synthetics" and the mysterious unknowable, enemy each an independent nation, are in fact not independant but tools for the catalyst and they are in fact so knowable that their entire purpose for existance can be relayed to you in a single sentance. The ending manages to not only ignore every major theme of the series but completely undermine the villans of the series to a role of non-importance and turns one of the most intimidating and mysterious antagonists that has ever been created in a series into just some robots controled by some ai to kill people.

[Storin]

KevShep wrote...

Luzarius  

The catalyst was the worst part.

 Fact- He is the citadel which means that he could have just activated the citadel in ME1 instead of using the keepers (and or Sovereign). Using the keepers is how there plan got ruined, the protheans found the hidden signal! 

Fact- If he is the citadel then the reapers did not need to leave behind a reaper (sovereign) to watch the galaxy progession. All he would have to do is indoctrinate the leaders of every cycle and that way he can watch more then Sovereign ever could!

Fact- You dont introduce a new villin in the last 5 fu*king min of a whole entire series. Its NOT a smart move!

Fact- If he is the citadel then WHY did he leave the conduit in ME1 on the citadel? He should have known what it was when the 12 surviving protheans used it.

Fact- Luzarius...You dont understand!

Very well put. This sums up some of the major problems with the Catalyst. There's a reason so many people keep bringing up plot holes here.

[Icesong]

I watched the end of your playthrough the other day and wasn't bothered that you liked the ending. From what you described of your character along the way I figured you would. I also really appreciated your ideas on what a no death playthrough offers, was never convinced by the concept before but plan to do it going forward. Been meaning to go back to your archives to see what your opinion of the ending would be after letting it sink in and thought over since your positive mindset about everything was really endearing, quite disappointed then that this post is so antagonistic.

Modifié par Icesong, 24 mars 2012 - 11:38 .

[Machazareel]

Here, OP. Read this and become educated;

http://jmstevenson.w...-mass-effect-3/