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[Dublinguy65]

You are obviously a new comer to the series and don't know that Casey Hudson himself said there was going to be like 16 possible different endings depending on how you played the game. BTW he said this in a interview as recently as January 2012. If you don't believe me Google it.

[KevShep]

Draconis6666 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Luzarius  

The catalyst was the worst part.

 Fact- He is the citadel which means that he could have just activated the citadel in ME1 instead of using the keepers (and or Sovereign). Using the keepers is how there plan got ruined, the protheans found the hidden signal! 

Fact- If he is the citadel then the reapers did not need to leave behind a reaper (sovereign) to watch the galaxy progession. All he would have to do is indoctrinate the leaders of every cycle and that way he can watch more then Sovereign ever could!

Fact- You dont introduce a new villin in the last 5 fu*king min of a whole entire series. Its NOT a smart move!

Fact- If he is the citadel then WHY did he leave the conduit in ME1 on the citadel? He should have known what it was when the 12 surviving protheans used it.

Fact- Luzarius...You dont understand!

Not even just that but the entire plot the Catalyst introduces comes out of nowhere and is itself logicaly rediculous. None of the sub themes or themes of the series matter in the end the entire end is just "organics vs synthetics" and the mysterious unknowable, enemy each an independent nation, are in fact not independant but tools for the catalyst and they are in fact so knowable that their entire purpose for existance can be relayed to you in a single sentance. The ending manages to not only ignore every major theme of the series but completely undermine the villans of the series to a role of non-importance and turns one of the most intimidating and mysterious antagonists that has ever been created in a series into just some robots controled by some ai to kill people.

True and True! Everything that could go wrong for Mass Effect's ending did! You can tell that the last 10 min of the game were writen by a single person when the rest of the game was made using a concensus of people.

[doodiebody]

Frankly, if they can add to the current endings and have them make sense, I'm fine with it.

I just have severe doubts the current endings are explainable.

[Surprise Guest]

You dictating who is a true mass effect fan is just ridiculous, the idea of choice in games allows for people to experience the game in multiple ways. Are you seriously suggesting that a game is only allowed to be enjoyed one way?

The Reapers and the Catalyst destroy the "intellectualism" of the series that you seem to be worshipping, as in a space of a few minutes the game loses all its coherence and versimilitude. Sure synthetics/organics are a major theme of the series, but the idea can be explored or concluded in much stonger ways.

Also I wish people would stop with the "minority" stuff. They are very clearly not a minority and even if they were, they deserve to be heard. The pretentiousness of some of these posts needs to end too...

[Silent Rage]

*Face palm*

[ZiegenkonigIII]

Baronesa wrote...

Are you missing a "checkmate" somewhere?

Lol at this.

Also, someone earlier posted that just because you start a sentence with Fact: doesnt make it one.

Fact: Starting a sentence with Fact does not make it a fact

Makes about as much sense as the catalyst.

Modifié par ZiegenkonigIII, 24 mars 2012 - 11:41 .

[Henioo]

So by that logic I am not a MAss Effect fan if I found no relevant option the godchild provided?

Since the very first step on Eden Prime it was my Shepard's goal to preserve the uniqness and independence of peoples of the Galaxy, be it organics or synthetics, as I learnt of its value from Legion. But none of the choices really give me a satisfying conclusion I sought.

If I destroy the reapers, I destroy EDI, who's done nothing to me, as well as the geth who are now more sapient than ever. I am no better than the thing I want to destroy by wiping out certain species and leaving the others.

If I go all green, I put an end to the uniqness of the galaxy. I impose order like some kind of vanguard of our destruction. Nah, not for me, though that was my first choice.

I am not really sure about the control ending and how it works with my Shepard's philosophy. Sure, I could control the reapers and steer them away from the Milky Way. BUT, I have no reason to believe that my sacrifice to control the reapers will actually pay off. The starchild provides no evidence towards justifying this choice. I might as well just be killing myself and not make a dent in reapers' armour.

When a choice is not explained well enough, you cannot blame a player for going back and choosing differently.

Still not sure if trolling or just not played the game focused enough.

Sorry for spelling, I don't have the will to go back and correct it.

[Jynx161]

"Expecting a happy ending?

You obviously missed the boat. Do you know what a reaper is? Do you realize how old and powerful it is? Did you really think you'd get a happy ending? Did you skip all the dialogue?

Do you know what this thing is? It's a reaper, it's sole purpose is to destroy and harvest advanced civiliations. Did you think you'd seriously come out of this alive? Have you seen earth? Did you see what happen to the other planets?"

Well, it turns out the Reapers weren't all that hard to defeat. We just had to shoot a bundle of wires with a magic pistol.

Modifié par Jynx161, 24 mars 2012 - 11:42 .

[pavi132]

Report and move on, people. This person is just trying to cause issues.

[bpzrn]

corkey sweet wrote...

its actually the majority NOT a minority. this is why bioware is considering changing it. they wouldn't bother if it was a minority

[PrussianBlue]

Luzarius wrote...


Star Child (Catalyst)

The catalyst was a brilliant concept. I was a huge fan of the movie Contact (7.3 imdb).  Those three choices were the most epic choices I've seen in a sci-fi game.  If you were shocked and didn't understand what happened in that scene then it PROVES you don't understand the main theme of ME. 

It wasnt a brilliant concept at all. I am a huge fan of the movie In Bruges (8.0 imdb). I didn´t like the three choices we were given and even the ending of the phantom menace was better than any of those. Anyway. Why were you refering to Contact? And why did you tell us the imdb score? That was totally out of context like me telling you guys I love in Bruges (great movie btw, look it up).

Still, you are in the minority. Also. I knew who my Shepard was. But there was no ending supporting his personality in the end, so I had to go with something that sucked totally to me and him and started hoping for another ending.

Modifié par PrussianBlue, 24 mars 2012 - 11:46 .

[VoraciousBeaver]

Shepard can come out of it alive, by the way.

[zarnk567]

(Looks at OP's argument)......(sigh)..... move along, nothing to see here folks

[TheLastThought]

OP, This is a joke right? Because I'm laughing so hard xD
The "minority" part is hilarious!xD

Modifié par TheLastThought, 25 mars 2012 - 12:10 .

[Doppelgaenger]

What a magnificent provocateur.

[omntt]

...I'm not a real fan, i reloaded the final mission to see blue explosions.

[Jayelle Janson]

If you're colour blind do you still get 16 different endings?

[FS3D]

Also I wish people would stop with the "minority" stuff. They are very clearly not a minority and even if they were, they deserve to be heard. The pretentiousness of some of these posts needs to end too...

+1

People crowing about this minority nonsense should read their Constitution, if they are Americans...

Because the US Constitution has protections in place to protect the rights of individuals from the wishes of the majority.

Applied here, it means that even the minority have rights, and in the case of a game like this, they (we) have a right to be heard.

[UndeadTRex]

Huge plot holes = Brilliance?
Also, how am I supposed to choose an ending that fits my Shepard's personality when he wouldn't accept any of them and would instead argue. Also, in Mass Effect 2 they did have two colors, but the result of one was NOT the same as the other. And yes, I did expect 16 different endings. Mostly because that is what was advertised to me.

[Dridengx]

Dublinguy65 wrote...

You are obviously a new comer to the series and don't know that Casey Hudson himself said there was going to be like 16 possible different endings depending on how you played the game. BTW he said this in a interview as recently as January 2012. If you don't believe me Google it.

You do realize these endings on based on who is alive, died, etc you didn't actually think there was going to be 16 different endings? lol. Did you believe Witcher 2 as well when they said they were going to have 16 endings as well but it turned out to be about 2 or 3 endings based on who lives or which side you joined. No one whined about that one

oh, wait, could it be because its not on console yet for the kids to play it?

[Randalf84]

Luzarius wrote...

I was a huge fan of the movie Contact (7.3 imdb). 

It was at this point that I realised how obvious this obvious troll was.

[GodChildInTheMachine]

Luzarius wrote...

ME for me was all about organics, synthetics and all the controversery that comes with it. Life creating life? Is that an acceptable concept? Is it blasphemous? Are the reapers an abomination (like anderson said)? Should they be controlled (Understanding TIM). Should there be unity? Is Nanotechnology the future? Should people always be entitled to their free will?

I agree that those are all interesting and thought provoking questions, but the ending doesn't really ask them. Instead it is absolute and simplistic in giving the audience its loaded point of view. Those are all complex issues that require a lot of breathing room in a story, which they just don't get in the isolated vacuum of the ending.

Instead of paying due to those topics in a thoughtful way, the ending is totally reductive of their meaning and depth.

What did I get out of the ending? Anthropomorphobia, or as Isaac Asimov would call it, the "Frankenstein Complex."

[Flextt]

I don't think, arguing rationally about the ending will change a lot. In this case, it works the other way around: The shock most players felt, was emotional in nature. They try to rationalize the feeling to understand and afterwards, convey it to their beloved developer, in this case, Bioware.

Though you make valid points, saying that everything was epic while giving vague reasons does not make them automatically epic for others

Should people always be entitled to their free will?

Yes, if you did not skip dialogues in the prequels, you realize that it would be unacceptable for Shepard. Free will, the search of the purpose of life and self-determination are key themes in ME. The Reapers rob us of them. They are Shepard's antithesis, believing in unity through conformity, not unity through peace and acceptance.

Modifié par Flextt, 24 mars 2012 - 11:51 .

[EIB]

FACT: The OP likes to point out that you fail if you reloaded your game (60% of his post was just that, being repeated over and over

Luzarius wrote...

I thought it was brilliant and if you didn't understand then you FAIL. The proof is if you reloaded and chose a different ending. If you did that, it PROVES that you failed to understand Shepard and the Mass Effect Universe. Now go uninstall the game, you don't deserve it.

FACT: Since this stamement is logically and morally correct. Since this stamements explains Luzarius understanding of the ending, then by all means I am Jessica Rabbit.