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Bioware, don't change the ending, just provide explanation and closure. Don't listen to the "MINORITY".


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If you like fact OP here's some.

* FACT: by adding alternative and different endings via DLC, you won't have to take it and so, both of us will enjoy the game.
* FACT: By being able to reload and choose a different ending, or should i say different colors, it shows BioWare didn't understand our desires.
* FACT: a fact that depends on a point of view can't really be stated as fact.
* FACT: the main plot was supposed to be the dark matter, not the synthetic vs organic thing.

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OP, I think you really need help. Insulting other people is not good. You don't even have to "give" other people (who disagree with you) nasty names to insult them. The represented content of your mind does that better.
And NO, you are not God and you sure look not that smart either. Get some help if you don't understand what I'm talking about.

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I'm the only one feeling embarassed by OP?


I ''failed my shepard''? Seriously, dude, what kind of drugs are you on?

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FACT: I puked when I read that the Catalyst was an ''amazing" concept. Then I lol'd hard.
/joke

Sure, sure, you're entitled to your own opinion OP. I'm not going to bash you for that. But insulting other people is just wrong.

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Sweeping generalizations anyone?

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Misterdde45000 wrote...

If you like fact OP here's some.

* FACT: by adding alternative and different endings via DLC, you won't have to take it and so, both of us will enjoy the game.
* FACT: By being able to reload and choose a different ending, or should i say different colors, it shows BioWare didn't understand our desires.
* FACT: a fact that depends on a point of view can't really be stated as fact.
* FACT: the main plot was supposed to be the dark matter, not the synthetic vs organic thing.


Exactly.

I don't want Bioware to trade Alienating 1 part of their fan base for another.

They can keep both by just not invalidating the current endings, while adding more choices at the end....

I don't see how ANYONE at all loses from that.  It just means we get even more Mass Effect.

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Fact- Original post is one of the weirdest things I've read in awhile.

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Just a quick response, I did roleplay it... Then I got to the god child and tried to click on the "screw you god kid, I don't like those options, I'll take my chances", I tried to click it so much, then I realized it wasn't there. That is my problem

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Wordy, but needs to be said!

 

I was one of the many people who watched you play this game
live online and I understand where you are coming from, you said yourself your Shepard was
anti-synthetic and god fearing. Fair enough, wiping out all synthetic life in
the galaxy wouldn’t have been a hard call. If however you were like
me and had Shepard be pro-choice, pro-life, and always open to new possibilities
then you would see the problem I think. After everything my Shepard went
through trying to promote tolerance and co-operation between the races of the
galaxy. Arguing for peace between the Geth and the Quarians, telling EDI that
only she could decide what was right and wrong for her, that she had to figure
it out for herself because, essentially that’s what It meant to be alive. After
working so hard to fix so many injustices in the galaxy where people had no
choice and he gave them that choice… I loved the arrival DLC because it was the
first time my Shepard was really forced to go against everything he stood for
and blow up a mass relay killing hundreds of thousands. Of course he turned himself
in, he couldn’t live with himself. In my game that was the true essence of the
nightmares he was having… seeing what was happening to his world and knowing
he had a role in doing that to another one… but here’s where it gets sticky.
After hundreds of hours fighting to stop the reapers, fighting to bring peace
to the galaxy and freedom of life to all he gets forced to make that choice all
over again, and this time it’s just poorly done.

Option a) blue light/control reapers… Shepard just argued
against control with the illusive man, in fact has been doing that for a while
now (hence blowing up the collector base) the reapers are just too powerful and
too dangerous how do you know you can control them? How long will it last…. Nothing
is forever so if Shepard eventually dies or stop or whatever does it start all
over again? This is too big of a risk, like he said.

Option B) green light/ Synthesis … turn all life into a hybrid
of organic and technological WTF…. I don’t know what to make of this outcome…. Force
a change of existence on the ENTIRE GALAXY? It’s one thing to blow up the mass
relays, it’s just a thing they will adept eventually, but to change the very
nature of existence for countless beings? What about people like your Shepard
the ones that hate AI’s what about the AI’s? What gives him the right to force
that on everyone… He’d be no better than the Reapers since that’s essentially
what they want to do anyway.

Option c) red light/destroy all synthetic life… there is
just no way my Shepard would or even could do this… it, like synthesis just isn’t
an option. Destroying the reapers is one thing…. But all synthetic life? After he
helped joker and EDI stop kidding themselves and develop a real relationship? After
the geth are finally at peace with the Quarians and helping them to rebuild? That’s
not even thinking about any other synthetic life out there? EDI was once a VI
does that mean that since a VI can become an AI all of them end too… what if
there were AI’s on other worlds critical to the survival of an entire species?

So there you have it, after everything else I got
down to a) betray yourself, B) betray everyone, or c) betray your friends and
allies… first time I died since I couldn’t choose. Eventually though I chose A…
at least there was a chance it would work out… swallow your pride and your
beliefs and hope for the best at least he was dead…. I think. So with this
profound sense of betrayal I awaited the consequences of my choice and go….
NOTHING, sorry… worse than nothing, since it turns out my crew had skipped out
on the battle anyway. Apparently nobody had any faith in me in the end so what
difference does it make. I loved the game, I was cool with everything right up
until “pick a,b,or c” and then turn off your console. So yeah, I want a better
ending…. I want it to have mattered.

Not intending to inflame or insult... just trying to adress what was said in my own way.

HOLD THE LINE!
AND SUPPORT BIOWARE!

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To put the OP's mindset in context, here is his twitch stream where he beat ME3 with no deaths or combat pausing. Enjoy ~70 of his AI hating Shepherd's adventure http://www.twitch.tv/luzarius/videos keke

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Yeah do what the OP says if you want to ****** people off even more

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The amount of ignorance in OP's post...

The amount of troll in OP's post...

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main Mass Effect theme (organics & synthetics).


This was NEVER the theme of Mass Effect. NEVER.

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I agree with Op about accepting the endings

First of all I would just like to clarify that I in no way perceive the end choices as bad. Sacrifice always has to be made, we don’t live in a society where everything always works out well, and the drama in a video game accompanied by a sad score of music makes quite a good impact. I do not want to change the end choices, I am however incredibly displeased with how they were carried out.

If you are going to make a story end in such a manner it has to emotionally entrance the audience. The designer coulve done better in this. The unexpected explosion, The melting of the armour, almost dying to a mere single enemy unit, being the sole survivor with Anderson, both barely clinging to life, this is all good storytelling and very compelling.

The conversation with the Illusive man is also quite compelling, However his lines and actions at the end were very poor considering how much of a role his character played. He mimicked Saren in shooting himself in the head, when Saren did this it was still fresh, when the illusive man did it, the first thought I had was, "damn really? that’s all they could think of?" At least let the man hold some integrity, he kept on believing in Shepard, if you view the vid logs, the illusive man never really wants to kill Shepard off, even as enemies, he knows Shepard is a true friend of mankind. And you always see him struggling in his conviction, deep down he is a good person. He needed an honourable death, he needed some form of redemption. Maybe as he realizes he has been indoctrinated, The reaper forces catch on to the intrusion of Shepard and Anderson, and the Illusive mans indoctrination weakening and attack, and the illusive man locks down the room putting himself on the other side of a door, Something like that, and against the oncoming onslaught has a smart line, that relates to some other dialogue he has given in the game ( as he lights a cigarette)

After this the Anderson Shepard part is great, very moving. And the idea of the catalyst is great. But your dialogue is flawed in parts. The core part of the catalysts reasoning behind the cycle was that Synthetics will always rebel and ultimately destroy organic life, so its solution (the reapers) was an attempt to preserve it. If you are Paragon You have proven that the Geth can work together and coexist with the Quarians, Why can’t you say that to the catalyst. Why can’t I give EDI as an example of how Artificial life doesn’t have to combine with organic in order to co exist. That individuality is what gives life, not the composition of our body. Why cant I get upset and give a monologue about legion, with a few flashback images and mention his sacrifice.

Then the Catalyst would say something like “even if one race of synthetics coexists with a race of organics, organics will always destroy each other, it is inevitable. Then shepard would give a monologue of the Krogans and how He cured them, how they put aside their differences to fight for survival and work together with the people that afflicted them, how he saved the Rachni, how they after soo much destruction only wanted peace, with soo much reason for vengeance.

Catalyst: “If this battle concludes with the end of my solution, and the survival of your races, when the conflict ends, who is to say whether or not the peace will last? What is to stop a civilisation from one day amassing enough technology to build its own reapers and wage war?”.”.
Shepard: We will remember this day, we will remember what could happen, what we never want to happen again.

Ultimately this would lead into the final choices again that you have to make. The catalyst even if convinced cannot activate the device only you can.

Sacrifice yourself to merge with the reapers and to control them, leaving the universe up to itself whether or not the cycle continues. (giving it a good chance) In this ending, Shepard deconstructing as he holds onto the device should be drawn out, with him struggling to hold on. He should get flashbacks of quotes from all his companions, from wrex, from legion, and ultimately from his love interest, then he should have a moment of pause where he thinks about them, and draws strength from them and pushes forward finishing the process). All the Reapers turn blue cored, the twisted reaper forces ignite in blue flames releasing lights that look like souls traveling up into the sky all at once, The people of the city watch in awe, as some angelic music plays. The reapers lift up and take off. Garrus says: "he did it". I cant believe he... and then the n7 team looks up from their respective points on the ground and see the crucible explode. Tali covers her mouth and falls to the ground. Liara looks away. James salutes. Alenko says: thank you shepard. Joker watches the Debree in space and EDI puts her hand on his shoulder. News reports of Asari, Taurian, Salarian and the rest of the races
beginning rebuilding efforts.


Destroy the Reapers, geth and Edi, but live (selfishness), ultimately Removing the chance of quarians living on their home world without suits, and continuing the cycle of destruction. Ending feels renegade, A wave of red energy literally shuts down the reapers, it has a few soldiers stepping on the corpses of reaper forces, cheering. News reports of Asari, Taurian, Salarian and the rest of the races beginning rebuilding efforts. Reports of the Geth fleets deactivating alongside the reapers. Quarians picking up dead geth on their homewold, disassembling them. Love interest barking orders for whatever reason in a badass way, Shepard gave his life for you bottomfeeders, we are going to make it count, get your asses moving. Joker finds EDI's corpse, drops to the ground and holds her. Garrus and Alenko Drinking to shepard, saying how he was a great guy and that they thought he was immortal. Ending is the part where It shows the remenants of the crucible and Shepard Inhales.


Or do the ultimate evil and merge life forms By force. Making a monoculture, where everything is ordered and gray. The Citidel is still there, and Shepard becomes part of it, with the god child. You see members of shepards crew robotified. But civilisation restores itself at an alarming rate.

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@Aindrui

I'd love to quote what you posted but it'd be waaay too long, but I totally agree with you there! 100,000%. I ended up picking the Red ending as destroying the Reapers was the entire point of gathering the Fleets (in my Shep's mind as I RP'd through the game) but I felt so bad realising that the decision meant that I'd killed off EDI and the Geth (especially the Geth as they were helping the Quarians adapt to Rannoch's environment).

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Just don't download it if it comes out... these threads are pointless. Keep your crappy ending if you want.

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Sladarius wrote...

I agree with Op about accepting the endings, and adding closure.

First of all I would just like to clarify that I in no way perceive the end choices as bad. Sacrifice always has to be made, we don’t live in a society where everything always works out well, and the drama in a video game accompanied by a sad score of music makes quite a good impact. I do not want to change the end choices, I am however incredibly displeased with how they were carried out.

If you are going to make a story end in such a manner it has to emotionally entrance the audience. The designer coulve done better in this. The unexpected explosion, The melting of the armour, almost dying to a mere single enemy unit, being the sole survivor with Anderson, both barely clinging to life, this is all good storytelling and very compelling.

The conversation with the Illusive man is also quite compelling, However his lines and actions at the end were very poor considering how much of a role his character played. He mimicked Saren in shooting himself in the head, when Saren did this it was still fresh, when the illusive man did it, the first thought I had was, "damn really? that’s all they could think of?" At least let the man hold some integrity, he kept on believing in Shepard, if you view the vid logs, the illusive man never really wants to kill Shepard off, even as enemies, he knows Shepard is a true friend of mankind. And you always see him struggling in his conviction, deep down he is a good person. He needed an honourable death, he needed some form of redemption. Maybe as he realizes he has been indoctrinated, The reaper forces catch on to the intrusion of Shepard and Anderson, and the Illusive mans indoctrination weakening and attack, and the illusive man locks down the room putting himself on the other side of a door, Something like that, and against the oncoming onslaught has a smart line, that relates to some other dialogue he has given in the game ( as he lights a cigarette)

After this the Anderson Shepard part is great, very moving. And the idea of the catalyst is great. But your dialogue is flawed in parts. The core part of the catalysts reasoning behind the cycle was that Synthetics will always rebel and ultimately destroy organic life, so its solution (the reapers) was an attempt to preserve it. If you are Paragon You have proven that the Geth can work together and coexist with the Quarians, Why can’t you say that to the catalyst. Why can’t I give EDI as an example of how Artificial life doesn’t have to combine with organic in order to co exist. That individuality is what gives life, not the composition of our body. Why cant I get upset and give a monologue about legion, with a few flashback images and mention his sacrifice.

Then the Catalyst would say something like “even if one race of synthetics coexists with a race of organics, organics will always destroy each other, it is inevitable. Then shepard would give a monologue of the Krogans and how He cured them, how they put aside their differences to fight for survival and work together with the people that afflicted them, how he saved the Rachni, how they after soo much destruction only wanted peace, with soo much reason for vengeance.

Catalyst: “If this battle concludes with the end of my solution, and the survival of your races, when the conflict ends, who is to say whether or not the peace will last? What is to stop a civilisation from one day amassing enough technology to build its own reapers and wage war?”.”.
Shepard: We will remember this day, we will remember what could happen, what we never want to happen again.

Ultimately this would lead into the final choices again that you have to make. The catalyst even if convinced cannot activate the device only you can.

Sacrifice yourself to merge with the reapers and to control them, leaving the universe up to itself whether or not the cycle continues. (giving it a good chance) In this ending, Shepard deconstructing as he holds onto the device should be drawn out, with him struggling to hold on. He should get flashbacks of quotes from all his companions, from wrex, from legion, and ultimately from his love interest, then he should have a moment of pause where he thinks about them, and draws strength from them and pushes forward finishing the process). All the Reapers turn blue cored, the twisted reaper forces ignite in blue flames releasing lights that look like souls traveling up into the sky all at once, The people of the city watch in awe, as some angelic music plays. The reapers lift up and take off. Garrus says: "he did it". I cant believe he... and then the n7 team looks up from their respective points on the ground and see the crucible explode. Tali covers her mouth and falls to the ground. Liara looks away. James salutes. Alenko says: thank you shepard. Joker watches the Debree in space and EDI puts her hand on his shoulder. News reports of Asari, Taurian, Salarian and the rest of the races
beginning rebuilding efforts.


Destroy the Reapers, geth and Edi, but live (selfishness), ultimately Removing the chance of quarians living on their home world without suits, and continuing the cycle of destruction. Ending feels renegade, A wave of red energy literally shuts down the reapers, it has a few soldiers stepping on the corpses of reaper forces, cheering. News reports of Asari, Taurian, Salarian and the rest of the races beginning rebuilding efforts. Reports of the Geth fleets deactivating alongside the reapers. Quarians picking up dead geth on their homewold, disassembling them. Love interest barking orders for whatever reason in a badass way, Shepard gave his life for you bottomfeeders, we are going to make it count, get your asses moving. Joker finds EDI's corpse, drops to the ground and holds her. Garrus and Alenko Drinking to shepard, saying how he was a great guy and that they thought he was immortal. Ending is the part where It shows the remenants of the crucible and Shepard Inhales.


Or do the ultimate evil and merge life forms By force. Making a monoculture, where everything is ordered and gray. The Citidel is still there, and Shepard becomes part of it, with the god child. You see members of shepards crew robotified. But civilisation restores itself at an alarming rate.


Sorry for the repost, I was in the other thread too XD.

Right.

Except for the fact that the relays blow up.

Meaning if they went supernova, everyone in a system with a relay in it is dead (this includes Earth).

If they didn't go supernova, then none of the fleets on Earth can get home.  And theres a TON of them.  Tragedy of the Commons anyone?

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Also our Facebook page is still growing around 1000 new angry people each day, so yeah I don't think we are the minority. Not everyone had time to complete Mass Effect 3 yet.

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http://www.thefreedictionary.com/fact

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Luz I'm sorry but I have to agree with my fellow players. If I wasn't a true fan of the game after you got me into it and I roleplayed my way does this make me a bad player? I've watched you since Skyrim and backed you in your ME1 and ME2 and ME3 play through. Don't get mad at me for wanting to see if my choice was right.

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The Angry One wrote...

main Mass Effect theme (organics & synthetics).


This was NEVER the theme of Mass Effect. NEVER.


Actually it was. Geth, EDI, several side missions in ME1. However by playing paragon you pretty much concluded in half of ME3 that organics and synthetics can co-exist. Than in last 5 minutes comes from nowhere Starchild and tells you they can´t and you can´t even say to him to frag off and check his facts.

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DiE231 wrote...

I'm the only one feeling embarassed by OP?


I ''failed my shepard''? Seriously, dude, what kind of drugs are you on?


My reaction
really if you think that shepard who was fighting against all of those presented engings during the course of 3 games suddenly decided to throw in the towel then you are the one not understanding your shepard OP.

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Nobody acknowledges the fact that we were promised wildly different endings, with no A,B, or C choices. I mean, there is a quote out there that exists that says this exactly!

WHY DOES CASEY HUDSON AND THE ENTIRE BIOWARE STAFF NOT ACKNOWLEDGE THIS FACT?

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Absolute rubbish.