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[VikingDream]

Fact your FACTS are not facts FYI just because you state something is a fact does not make it a fact its just a statement that you have made.

[Mbednar]

Reiku67 wrote...

Luz I'm sorry but I have to agree with my fellow players. If I wasn't a true fan of the game after you got me into it and I roleplayed my way does this make me a bad player? I've watched you since Skyrim and backed you in your ME1 and ME2 and ME3 play through. Don't get mad at me for wanting to see if my choice was right.

Lol.

Skyrim aint Bioware friend.  XD

[DrFrankenseuss]

I played through the game in much the same way as Aindrui. My Shepherd grew up on earth, running with hard gangs and was a sole survivor at Akuze. Everything I did was shaped around this past and knowing I could do better. I was pushing to rise above what had happened and be a positive influence. I avoided killing people, even if it was easy and there would be no consequence. And I didn't always pick top options cause it doesn't always work that way.

So, I save all of my friends that I can. I try to unite as many species as I can and I CERTAINLY DON'T TRY TO 100% games Luzy baby. Cause when people are saying "hurry up" I actually listen, because I'm role playing. Get it? xD I know how you play and I think I can deal with accepting your ideas of roleplaying and being emersed are completely different than mine. I don't have 500 people watching me and debating what to do cause IT'S THE ONLY WAY TO PLAY!!! I play alone, for myself, and put myself in the setting.

And here's what happened in the end. No matter what I did in the game, nothing mattered in the end. My Shep wasn't insane so she didn't pick Blue. She wasn't a trancendentalist, so Green was completely out of touch with reality. She picked Red because she thought the Geth would be the most understanding, in an emotionless, rational way. And she wanted to see those reapers ****ing blow the **** up once and for all.

But all of that thought came at a cost. Everything after I rose up to meet the Catalyst completely took me out of the game and try to rationalize the illogical crap I was hearing. Try as I might, I couldn't imagine taking anything I was being told seriously. I would never take this little hologram at face value. I'd be asking for EDI to be dropped off through my still functioning headset so I can get her to interface with this warped little turd of a plot device.

I understand what the writers were going for, but it was really sloppy in my opinion. It was blatently obvious that this ending is about emotional impact and nothing to do with good storytelling. Good storytelling is what keeps me emersed and coming back for more. If I tried another playthrough from ME1. I'm with the many who can't pretend to not know that everything I'm doing is for nothing in the end, so the series is dead in the water unless if some degree of denouement is added to the story.

[Sublime82]

Gyspy Jive wrote...

Nobody acknowledges the fact that we were promised wildly different endings, with no A,B, or C choices. I mean, there is a quote out there that exists that says this exactly!

WHY DOES CASEY HUDSON AND THE ENTIRE BIOWARE STAFF NOT ACKNOWLEDGE THIS FACT?

Because if they acknowledged that they would be admitting that they were wrong.  Which would undermine their artistic integrity something something.

[Reiku67]

Mbednar wrote...

Reiku67 wrote...

Luz I'm sorry but I have to agree with my fellow players. If I wasn't a true fan of the game after you got me into it and I roleplayed my way does this make me a bad player? I've watched you since Skyrim and backed you in your ME1 and ME2 and ME3 play through. Don't get mad at me for wanting to see if my choice was right.

Lol.

Skyrim aint Bioware friend.  XD

I know but I started watching him when he was playing Skyrim then he did ME1 and I got into it .

[VikingDream]

Sublime82 wrote...

Gyspy Jive wrote...

Nobody acknowledges the fact that we were promised wildly different endings, with no A,B, or C choices. I mean, there is a quote out there that exists that says this exactly!

WHY DOES CASEY HUDSON AND THE ENTIRE BIOWARE STAFF NOT ACKNOWLEDGE THIS FACT?

Because if they acknowledged that they would be admitting that they were wrong.  Which would undermine their artistic integrity something something.

speculation from everyone ?_? 

[Mbednar]

VikingDream wrote...

Sublime82 wrote...

Gyspy Jive wrote...

Nobody acknowledges the fact that we were promised wildly different endings, with no A,B, or C choices. I mean, there is a quote out there that exists that says this exactly!

WHY DOES CASEY HUDSON AND THE ENTIRE BIOWARE STAFF NOT ACKNOWLEDGE THIS FACT?

Because if they acknowledged that they would be admitting that they were wrong.  Which would undermine their artistic integrity something something.

speculation from everyone ?_? 

Your magic is lacking a little Space lol. 

[Mad-Max90]

What the **** did I just read...I feel like I took a hit of acid an hour ago...my mind is melting

[Dark_Rogue]

Mad-Max90 wrote...

What the **** did I just read...I feel like I took a hit of acid an hour ago...my mind is melting

Obviously you haven't seen his livestreams...unfortunately this is how it is constantly xD

[Alent]

Looks like the OP is trying to drive traffic to his livestream...

[soull2]

Luzarius wrote...

Reloading a different ending PROVES you're playing an indecisive shepard

Anyone who reloads and chooses a different ending doesn't deserve to be heard in my controversial opinion. These types of people are not true mass effect fans, just meta gamers who have no idea what they're doing and have no idea who their shepard is.

* FACT: By reloading and choosing a different ending it shows you don't understand your shepard
* FACT: It shows you're indecisive
* FACT: You pick options based upon how you feel instead of adhereing to your characters personality
* FACT: It shows you didn't understand how important the organic vs synthetic theme was in the ME series

If you actually reloaded just to see a different ending then you have failed your character.  But don't worry, you can redeem yourself. Go back to ME1 and restart a new character, pick a roleplaying ruleset for shep and stick to it. Then when you get to the end of ME3 pick the option that makes the most sense and leave it there.  Does everything fall into place?

* FACT: I know my Shepard and I know how she would have reacted given the endings we got and blindly following the advice of an adolescent VI is not it.

*FACT: There is not ONE WAY to play a game that lets you make your own decisions. If someone wants to meta game it does not make them less of a fan.

*FACT: You have no idea what you are talking about.

Modifié par soull2, 25 mars 2012 - 01:34 .

[Flatwhatgriff]

Luzarius wrote...

Reloading a different ending PROVES you're playing an indecisive shepard

Anyone who reloads and chooses a different ending doesn't deserve to be heard in my controversial opinion. 

And this is exactly why I stopped watching you after Dragon Age 2's ending, "controversial" and "insane troll logic" are two different things buddy. Your "controversial opinion" also involves extreme homophobia and sexism so I guess we're at a stale mate when I don't think you deserve to be heard. Did I reload my games ending? Yes, because I couldn't believe that I got a good ending and I had to make sure I hadn't made a horrible mistake (which by the way is exactly what you wondered when you chose your ending). Before you call me stupid for not understanding what I saw I'd like to point out you often sit there and reload games just to undestand a simple conversation a three year old can often understand. 

Meanwhile I'll be over at Airika's channel where there's sanity in the world. Good day sir.  <_<

[Pelle6666]

Yes, explain why the **** I cant understand what the crap happened with anyone involved in this trilogy or what the fate of the universe was. The five minutes devoted to this was defectively not enough and it was really badly written... =(

[SnakeStrike8]

Luzarius wrote...

ME1 - One Ending
ME2 - Two Endings with slight color change for destroy or save collector base.
ME3 - Three Endings with slight color change and different video.

Guess you didn't play ME 1, mate!
That game actually had four endings.
Paragon+saving Council= Epilogue with bright white colours and your Shepard stands in front of a space station coloured blue
Paragon+abandoning Council= Epilogue with bright white colours, different dialogue and your Shepard stands in front of a space station coloured blue.
Renegade+saving Council= Epilogue with dark red colours and your Shepard stands in front of a red coloured sun holding an assault rifle
Renegade+abandoning Council= Epilogue with dark red colours, different dialogue and your Shepard stand in front of a red coloured sun holding an assault rifle.

I strongly recommend that you play through ME 1, before you chat about its endings and the variety between them, mate. Trust me, ME 1's a good game.

[Aweus]

* FACT: OP is a troll.
* FACT: OP's first name is Colin (... ok, that was low)

Anyway OP, I would bother to devote some time to reply you point-by-point but the overall tone of your post ("TLDR: you are all idiots") makes me reconsider.

[Reiku67]

SnakeStrike8 wrote...

Luzarius wrote...

ME1 - One Ending
ME2 - Two Endings with slight color change for destroy or save collector base.
ME3 - Three Endings with slight color change and different video.

Guess you didn't play ME 1, mate!
That game actually had four endings.
Paragon+saving Council= Epilogue with bright white colours and your Shepard stands in front of a space station coloured blue
Paragon+abandoning Council= Epilogue with bright white colours, different dialogue and your Shepard stands in front of a space station coloured blue.
Renegade+saving Council= Epilogue with dark red colours and your Shepard stands in front of a red coloured sun holding an assault rifle
Renegade+abandoning Council= Epilogue with dark red colours, different dialogue and your Shepard stand in front of a red coloured sun holding an assault rifle.

I strongly recommend that you play through ME 1, before you chat about its endings and the variety between them, mate. Trust me, ME 1's a good game.

He did play ME1 just saying. I'm not defending him but  knew that lol

[Wowlock]

Oh look....another '' I know better, therefore my opinion is better than yours ! Oh and ART ! '' thread....

I thought we passed this point.

[The Lightspeaker]

Anyone who reloads and chooses a different ending doesn't deserve to be heard in my controversial opinion. These types of people are not true mass effect fans, just meta gamers who have no idea what they're doing and have no idea who their shepard is.

So apparently because I actually misheard what was being said in the poorly scripted final scene (the way I understood it only the "destroy" option would destroy the relays, the other two would leave them intact, leaving me with the dilemma of actually taking out the Reapers like I wanted to but ruining the galaxy or coming to a compromise but which would leave the relays intact; boy was I surprised when the relays blew up in my cutscene) I apparently don't have any idea what I'm doing and am not a true fan.

Anyone else notice how the "minority" claims are gettting steadily more desparate?

Stay classy OP.

Modifié par The Lightspeaker, 25 mars 2012 - 01:50 .

[Erield]

*FACT: I was wondering if I could choose an option that didn't result in blowing up the galaxy.

[HarukaKat]

Alent wrote...

Looks like the OP is trying to drive traffic to his livestream...

He has had accounts banned for this in the past.

Ms.Fancynamehere wrote...

Luzarius wrote...

Reloading a different ending PROVES you're playing an indecisive shepard

Anyone who reloads and chooses a different ending doesn't deserve to be heard in my controversial opinion. 

And
this is exactly why I stopped watching you after Dragon Age 2's ending,
"controversial" and "insane troll logic" are two different things
buddy. Your "controversial opinion" also involves extreme homophobia and
sexism so I guess we're at a stale mate when I don't think you deserve
to be heard. Did I reload my games ending? Yes, because I couldn't
believe that I got a good ending and I had to make sure I hadn't made a
horrible mistake (which by the way is exactly what you wondered when you
chose your ending). Before you call me stupid for not understanding
what I saw I'd like to point out you often sit there and reload games
just to undestand a simple conversation a three year old can often
understand. 

Meanwhile I'll be over at Airika's channel where there's sanity in the world. Good day sir.  [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie]

QFT. It's been a long time since I last visited, but I still remember the time you reloaded because you thought Anora had accused you of being homosexual.

[Americ4nPunk]

I honestly don't know how to respond to the OP. On one hand he does have a point about the whole indecision part. Even I felt changing the ending from a save point kind of went against the whole Mass Effect principle. On the other hand there's him being all condescending and telling people that their play styles are invalid because it deviates from his opinion.

I'm on the fence whether I should call him an idiot, or simply the FACT is that FACTS are objective in nature. Not whatever so called FACTS that he posted.

Modifié par Americ4nPunk, 25 mars 2012 - 01:56 .

[The Night Mammoth]

I'll ignore the pathetic condescension. 

[quote]Luzarius wrote...

Reloading a different ending PROVES you're playing an indecisive shepard

Anyone who reloads and chooses a different ending doesn't deserve to be heard in my controversial opinion. These types of people are not true mass effect fans, just meta gamers who have no idea what they're doing and have no idea who their shepard is.

* FACT: By reloading and choosing a different ending it shows you don't understand your shepard
* FACT: It shows you're indecisive
* FACT: You pick options based upon how you feel instead of adhereing to your characters personality
[/quote]

Irrelevant. 

[quote]* FACT: It shows you didn't understand how important the organic vs synthetic theme was in the ME series[/quote]

It was a sub-plot. A resolved sub-plot. Its importance to the over arching story wasn't revealed or even hinted at until the last five minutes.

Therefore, the writer fails at articulating the direction he is moving the plot in.


[quote]You can't be that smart if you expected 16 completely different endings.[/quote]
Or perhaps you were just reading some interviews and decided to trust the Executive Project Manager because of the stellar work his team has created. 

[quote]Every human is capable of "pattern detection". It's a very simple concept.

ME1 - One Ending
ME2 - Two Endings with slight color change for destroy or save collector base.
ME3 - Three Endings with slight color change and different video.[/quote]

Irrelevant. 

The preceeding installments were the build up to the finale. You chose an ending dependant on how you thought it would affect the story later on. 
ME1 had two pretty distinct choices; saving/sacrificing the council, and appointing Anderson or Udina to the council. 
ME2 had one distinct choice; saving or destroying the Collector Base. Your decisions during the Sucide Mission affect how many, and which members, of your team make it out alive. 

All of these little variations were expected to culminate somewhere down the line, predominently in ME3's conclusion. They didn't.

[quote]Who would actually expect 16 completely different endings? It just goes to show how much you don't understand Bioware and you fail as a fan. YOU LET BIOWARE DOWN or maybe you didnt' play ME1 & ME2 in which you fail again.[/quote]

I expected around five, ranging from everyone surviving by the skin of their collective teeth in an awesome battle, to actually having the Reaper's win because you weren't prepared. 

Evidently, player choice and consequence, and sticking to your established themes, don't matter one iota.

[quote]a happy ending?

You obviously missed the boat. Do you know what a reaper is? Do you realize how old and powerful it is? Did you really think you'd get a happy ending? Did you skip all the dialogue? [/quote]

I expected the opportunity to build towards one by choosing all the right descisions and gathering the maximum amount of resources. 

You know, because Mass Effect isn't a bittersweet or nihilistic setting, and is actually built around the concept of the Hero succeeding against the odds, it's a massive trope. Building it up as a trope, and then trying to put a twist on the trope at the very end is simply astoundingly stupid.

[quote]Do you know what this thing is? It's a reaper, it's sole purpose is to destroy and harvest advanced civiliations. Did you think you'd seriously come out of this alive? Have you seen earth? Did you see what happen to the other planets?[/quote]

I personally didn't expect Shepard to survive, unless you do literally everything right, of course. I expected Shepard to make a heroic sacrifice most of the time. He didn't do that. Heroic sacrifices occur when the Hero chooses to end himself in order to achieve some worthwhile goal for those he cares for. Shepard does not choose his fate nor is what he wins desirable.  

[quote]You had your happy ending in ME1 & ME2 and now it's time to face the reality of how powerful the reapers were. EMBRACE IMMERSION OR UNINSTALL THE GAME.[/quote]

My immersion was firmly destroyed upon being taken up into a convenient lift to meet a horribly contrived God allegory. 

Shepard dying pointlessly and my choices throughout the game not actually affecting who lives or dies doesn't help bring me back into the game. 

[quote]Indoctrination Theory

The problem with this is we don't get to see how commander shep ended the reaper threat.  This means that if we want the true and proper ending we're entitled to, we may have to pay $10.00 ..... The backlash from this could make everything worse. Do you really think Bioware would do this?  It would be unethical to introduce the true ending to a game in the form of DLC and charge people money for it.  When you buy a game you should be entitled to the actual ending like ME1, ME2, DAO, KOTOR, DA2, etc.[/quote]

I don't personaly support it. I still think the ending is incomplete, but I also feel it's more EA's fault on that account than Bioware's. Still, there's a reasonably large amount of evidence in the Final Hours app which points to this whole mess being largely intentional, which is frankly mindboggling. 

[quote]Star Child (Catalyst)

The catalyst was a brilliant concept. I was a huge fan of the movie Contact (7.3 imdb).  [/quote]

The Catalyst was fine. It's a classic trope, being the object the Hero has to find in order to defeat the enemy, the magic elixir, the ancient nemesis sword etc.

The Citadel being the Catalyst is also perfectly reasonable. It is a quite prolific part of the story that at least makes sense. classic Chekov's Gun. 

The Crucible is a gigantic fething Deus Ex Maguffinus. It appears from nowhere without prior mention in order for you to solved a previously unsolvable problem, and it's actual workings and value aren't explained. It might be much better if you went to Mars without knowing what you'll find. 

The Catalyst being some sort of super Reaper AI God allegory is just....... *sigh*.

It breaks maybe half a dozen literary rules. It creates plot holes around it, it's a character introduced in the last five minutes, it's the villain of the enitre series introduced without foreshadowing, it's a Deus Ex in every sense of the phrase, it's a plot hole in and of itself, and it basically causes the protagonist to become a secondary character and no longer the person driving the plot forward.

Its logic is flawed. To exist, organics must have survived whatever technological uprising that occured, meaning it isn't the end of all life.To prove this hypothesis, it must have happened multiple times, which is an impossibility. Even then, to continue the cycles it must never have happened again, thus it is not inevetible.  Shepard continues to prove this wrong, thanks to the Geth and EDI. The Catalyst is basically bringing about more or less what it is trying to prevent. To use an analogy I picked up from TwentySided; "You burned dinner, so I have incinerated the city to save you from the dangers of a kitchen fire". 

If you really want to preserve life, then either wipe out all potentiall semi-sapient life every ten million years or so, or destroy civilizations in their infancy to guarantee success. Or better yet, kill the synthetics every time the rise up, educating the organics not to create synthetics. Everyone wins. 

It's also a hamfisted attempt at gaining an emotional reaction. "Oh look, it's the kid from the beginning!*. 
Clever. 

[quote]Those three choices were the most epic choices I've seen in a sci-fi game.  If you were shocked and didn't understand what happened in that scene then it PROVES you don't understand the main theme of ME.  [/quote]

Control and Destroy balance each other, and would be two perfectly reasonable choices if they were explained properly. Reversing the Renegade and Paragon represenitives is an intersting thing to contemplate.

Synthesis is morally abhorent on every level and generally doesn't make any sense. You're pushing everyone to the pinnacle of evolution (what an asinine thing to even contemplate, evolution does not have a pinnacle, because it is triggered by something that is inherently random), and therefore invalidating any preceeding evolution, stifling any future evolution, and changing a lifeforms basic DNA without their permission. 

Then things become even more stupid. 

Situation A - Everyone is rewritten to think exactly the same, to avoid confrontation and generally get along. That's destroying free will and invalidating a civilization's entire culture. 

Situation B - Everyone is the same, but with some wires under their skin. Nothing changes. Conflicts aren't based on what form of life you are. Organics fight organics, organics fight synthetics, synthetics don't even agree with each other, and yet it is proven that everyone can unite and look past their ethical and racial differences. 


[quote]ME for me was all about organics, synthetics and all the controversery that comes with it.  Life creating life? Is that an acceptable concept? Is it blasphemous? Are the reapers an abomination (like anderson said)?  Should they be controlled (Understanding TIM). Should there be unity? Is Nanotechnology the future? Should people always be entitled to their free will?[/quote]

A lot of those are key themes. Except, none of it was tied around the quasi-singularity the Catalyst refers to. 

Thus, the writer has taken the established theme and abandoned it favor of something infinitely more contrived and out of place.

[quote]I thought it was brilliant and if you didn't understand then you FAIL. [/quote]

Likewise, you think you understand it, but really, you don't, it's just a bunch of false assertions and hollow logic, coupled with you repeating that you need to play the previous two games, despite obvisouly failing to understand several key elements of those two games as well.

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 25 mars 2012 - 02:06 .

[Taboo]

I'm afraid you've mixed up happy ending with bittersweet. Billions and Billions of people dead is bittersweet. Everyone dying is de-humanizing and goes against everything that came before. Also siting the score of a film on IMDB is incredibly disingenuous. If you think Contact is the only film to make basic judgments on you seriously need to go watch something that wasn't made with western influence. Furthermore it is incredibly sad that you feel that the only persistent theme in Mass Effect is Organics vs Synthetics.

Carl Sagan would be ashamed of you.

[Sunnyhat1]

Luzarius wrote...

FACT: The proof that you fail is if you reloaded and chose a different ending due to you failing to understand Commander Shepard and the main Mass Effect theme (organics & synthetics).

See that's your problem. It was NOT the main Mass Effect theme. The replacement writer just made it up...