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[Cody211282]

Evil_medved wrote...

The catalyst was a brilliant concept.

This

I'm glad you think you can understand the horble plothole that is the ending but really it's just sad right now.

[JPN17]

Don't pay any attention to Luzarius. It's obvious that he(she?) does not know what a fact actually is.

[Quietness]

Evil_medved wrote...

The catalyst was a brilliant concept.

[Mixorz]

I agree with the OP pretty much, endings were pretty good and do a great job of wrapping up Shepards saga.

[krayt298]

The hell did I just read ?

[SnakeStrike8]

Reiku67 wrote...

SnakeStrike8 wrote...

Luzarius wrote...

ME1 - One Ending
ME2 - Two Endings with slight color change for destroy or save collector base.
ME3 - Three Endings with slight color change and different video.

Guess you didn't play ME 1, mate!
That game actually had four endings.
Paragon+saving Council= Epilogue with bright white colours and your Shepard stands in front of a space station coloured blue
Paragon+abandoning Council= Epilogue with bright white colours, different dialogue and your Shepard stands in front of a space station coloured blue.
Renegade+saving Council= Epilogue with dark red colours and your Shepard stands in front of a red coloured sun holding an assault rifle
Renegade+abandoning Council= Epilogue with dark red colours, different dialogue and your Shepard stand in front of a red coloured sun holding an assault rifle.

I strongly recommend that you play through ME 1, before you chat about its endings and the variety between them, mate. Trust me, ME 1's a good game.

He did play ME1 just saying. I'm not defending him but  knew that lol

If you say so, mate. I just call it as I see it.

[shamE12]

I like how some people who support the endings act like pretentious douche bags.

[raizathestorm]

I beg to differ on the number of endings in mass effect 1 and 2. Each of those games had wild variations based on who lives or dies, and so on. The choices Shepard makes live on in the next game. Mass Effect 3, however, does not have the liberty of pushing the consequences off to the sequel. The burden is on it to provide closure, which it did not succeed at doing.

As far as your indecisive point goes... Well, I'm not entirely sure where it came from :/. I think what most people had a problem with was the fact that their Shepard wouldn't feel particularly inclined to take ANY of the choices.

And.. really. This "there should be no happy ending" point again? ... Let me provide an example. Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne is another RPG that involves judging player decisions for multiple outcomes. In that game, the world is destroyed, becoming a nightmarish hellscape filled with bloodthirsty demons within the first ten minutes. Nearly every single human is obliterated, doomed to becoming lingering souls with no memories of their former lives, nor any purpose in their future. Your main character is forced to become demon, while all of his friends slowly and voluntarily give up their humanity in exchange for power, arguably losing their minds in the process. When I played that game, the ending that I was given thanks to my choices, which were made based on no previous knowledge of the game, was a happy one. if THAT game can have a happy ending, with the dark tone of the plot and the overwhelming odds the character is faced with, then Mass Effect 3 can certainly have a fitting happy ending. I mean.. my Shepard gave a freakin' "our bonds of friendship are indestructible and will win the day" speech, for crying out loud. Doesn't exactly sell the THIS GAME IS DEEP, DARK, AND MOODY point.

As for the Reapers, I think that, given that Shepard actually managed to unite organics AND synthetics, while simultaneously tapping into both the knowledge of every cycle destroyed before (the crucible) as well as the technology of the Reapers themselves (Geth upgrades, thanix weaponry), they had a fair shot at a decisive victory on Earth. ****, they even figured out a weakness in the Destroyer class Reapers.

So, no, I'm not overly satisfied with the ending. The closest ending that fit my Shepard's character was Destroy, and I STILL can't see him sacrificing the geth and EDI, especially on the grounds of the "synthetics versus organics" reasoning he was given. On top of that, there are several questions raised by the ending that just aren't able to be satisfactorily answered; the Normandy's fate being chief among them, thanks to my team inexplicably being present for its crash landing.

Put it this way. If the endings given were among several other ACTUAL outcomes, and if they had fewer plot holes, I'd be 100% okay with them. However, that's not the case, so I'm not. That simple.

[Cyph3rX]

Luzarius wrote...

Reloading a different ending PROVES you're playing an indecisive shepard

Anyone who reloads and chooses a different ending doesn't deserve to be heard in my controversial opinion. These types of people are not true mass effect fans, just meta gamers who have no idea what they're doing and have no idea who their shepard is.

* FACT: By reloading and choosing a different ending it shows you don't understand your shepard
* FACT: It shows you're indecisive
* FACT: You pick options based upon how you feel instead of adhereing to your characters personality
* FACT: It shows you didn't understand how important the organic vs synthetic theme was in the ME series

If you actually reloaded just to see a different ending then you have failed your character.  But don't worry, you can redeem yourself. Go back to ME1 and restart a new character, pick a roleplaying ruleset for shep and stick to it. Then when you get to the end of ME3 pick the option that makes the most sense and leave it there.  Does everything fall into place?

(Ok wait, was the normandy part confusing? Yes, I agree.  How did Shep end up back on earth? Yes, confusing. But other than that everything was done very well imo).

You can't be that smart if you expected 16 completely different endings.

Every human is capable of "pattern detection". It's a very simple concept.

ME1 - One Ending
ME2 - Two Endings with slight color change for destroy or save collector base.
ME3 - Three Endings with slight color change and different video.

* Endings in which you fail don't count since you let your shepard down. If your ems score was low that's your own fault for skipping dialogue and failing basic language comprehension. If you don't have the ability to compare,  contrast and comprehend that is your own fault.
* But in me2 if one companion survived and another didn't, it makes it a different ending right? NO, WRONG!

Who would actually expect 16 completely different endings? It just goes to show how much you don't understand Bioware and you fail as a fan. YOU LET BIOWARE DOWN or maybe you didnt' play ME1 & ME2 in which you fail again.

Expecting a happy ending?

You obviously missed the boat. Do you know what a reaper is? Do you realize how old and powerful it is? Did you really think you'd get a happy ending? Did you skip all the dialogue? 

Do you know what this thing is? It's a reaper, it's sole purpose is to destroy and harvest advanced civiliations. Did you think you'd seriously come out of this alive? Have you seen earth? Did you see what happen to the other planets?



You had your happy ending in ME1 & ME2 and now it's time to face the reality of how powerful the reapers were. EMBRACE IMMERSION OR UNINSTALL THE GAME.

Indoctrination Theory

The problem with this is we don't get to see how commander shep ended the reaper threat.  This means that if we want the true and proper ending we're entitled to, we may have to pay $10.00 ..... The backlash from this could make everything worse. Do you really think Bioware would do this?  It would be unethical to introduce the true ending to a game in the form of DLC and charge people money for it.  When you buy a game you should be entitled to the actual ending like ME1, ME2, DAO, KOTOR, DA2, etc.

Star Child (Catalyst)

The catalyst was a brilliant concept. I was a huge fan of the movie Contact (7.3 imdb).  Those three choices were the most epic choices I've seen in a sci-fi game.  If you were shocked and didn't understand what happened in that scene then it PROVES you don't understand the main theme of ME. 

ME for me was all about organics, synthetics and all the controversery that comes with it.  Life creating life? Is that an acceptable concept? Is it blasphemous? Are the reapers an abomination (like anderson said)?  Should they be controlled (Understanding TIM). Should there be unity? Is Nanotechnology the future? Should people always be entitled to their free will?

I thought it was brilliant and if you didn't understand then you FAIL. The proof is if you reloaded and chose a different ending. If you did that, it PROVES that you failed to understand Shepard and the Mass Effect Universe. Now go uninstall the game, you don't deserve it.

FACT: The proof that you fail is if you reloaded and chose a different ending due to you failing to understand Commander Shepard and the main Mass Effect theme (organics & synthetics).

(If you didn't reload and stayed true to your first choice at the end, much love and respect goes to you my friend!)

Luzarius
www.twitch.tv/luzarius
"no death ruleset"

Oh look, it's this thread again. /facepalm

[SupR G]

It's the gamers that make their voice heard that game developers base these decisions on, and we are the vocal majority. How are we a minority in this case? How do you know most of the people who bought the game don't hate it? And If a customer is going to play something and not give an opinion on it, then no matter what his opinion may be it counts for nothing. It's only the people that speak up that get things changed either way. So you know what OP, get lost.

[Hashbeth]

 3/10?

This seems like a troll, but would a troll but so much effort into this?

....probably?

[Flatwhatgriff]

Not a troll by intention, Luz is a troll by design. Ignore him.

[Taboo]

He also completely missed all the other thematic material such as, you know, RACISM.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 25 mars 2012 - 02:16 .

[Dark_Rogue]

As laughable as this thread was, it was still fun to kill some time. Also, I love how the "Minority" are the ones who seem to be the "Majority" against this so called argument (only seen...2/3 supporting comments to the OP?)

Results speak for themselves.

[Noatz]

Ah I see what happened here, you confused the word "minority" with "majority".

[RogueBot]

I've never seen someone use so many words to say so little.

[pavi132]

Why hasn't this been closed yet? Seriously?

[bkp360]

The ending was an embarrassment. Hell I'm pretty sure BioWare knows it by now. All these people who pretend to 'get it' are the same fools who go to some art gallery and look at a canvas painted white and say "ooooh my gawd! The artistry... the skill amazing.' Then proceed to snoot at the unwashed masses who 'don't get it.'

Let them pretend to be so refined and deep. They seem to need it. Me, all I need is an ending that keep me from filing a small claims case just to give BioWare another little headache to deal with.

Modifié par bkp360, 25 mars 2012 - 02:22 .

[Swisspease]

Mixorz wrote...

I agree with the OP pretty much, endings were pretty good and do a great job of wrapping up Shepards saga.

www.youtube.com/watch

[jedierick]

Luzarius wrote...

Reloading a different ending PROVES you're playing an indecisive shepard

Anyone who reloads and chooses a different ending doesn't deserve to be heard in my controversial opinion. These types of people are not true mass effect fans, just meta gamers who have no idea what they're doing and have no idea who their shepard is.

* FACT: By reloading and choosing a different ending it shows you don't understand your shepard
* FACT: It shows you're indecisive
* FACT: You pick options based upon how you feel instead of adhereing to your characters personality
* FACT: It shows you didn't understand how important the organic vs synthetic theme was in the ME series

If you actually reloaded just to see a different ending then you have failed your character.  But don't worry, you can redeem yourself. Go back to ME1 and restart a new character, pick a roleplaying ruleset for shep and stick to it. Then when you get to the end of ME3 pick the option that makes the most sense and leave it there.  Does everything fall into place?

(Ok wait, was the normandy part confusing? Yes, I agree.  How did Shep end up back on earth? Yes, confusing. But other than that everything was done very well imo).

You can't be that smart if you expected 16 completely different endings.

Every human is capable of "pattern detection". It's a very simple concept.

ME1 - One Ending
ME2 - Two Endings with slight color change for destroy or save collector base.
ME3 - Three Endings with slight color change and different video.

* Endings in which you fail don't count since you let your shepard down. If your ems score was low that's your own fault for skipping dialogue and failing basic language comprehension. If you don't have the ability to compare,  contrast and comprehend that is your own fault.
* But in me2 if one companion survived and another didn't, it makes it a different ending right? NO, WRONG!

Who would actually expect 16 completely different endings? It just goes to show how much you don't understand Bioware and you fail as a fan. YOU LET BIOWARE DOWN or maybe you didnt' play ME1 & ME2 in which you fail again.

Expecting a happy ending?

You obviously missed the boat. Do you know what a reaper is? Do you realize how old and powerful it is? Did you really think you'd get a happy ending? Did you skip all the dialogue? 

Do you know what this thing is? It's a reaper, it's sole purpose is to destroy and harvest advanced civiliations. Did you think you'd seriously come out of this alive? Have you seen earth? Did you see what happen to the other planets?



You had your happy ending in ME1 & ME2 and now it's time to face the reality of how powerful the reapers were. EMBRACE IMMERSION OR UNINSTALL THE GAME.

Indoctrination Theory

The problem with this is we don't get to see how commander shep ended the reaper threat.  This means that if we want the true and proper ending we're entitled to, we may have to pay $10.00 ..... The backlash from this could make everything worse. Do you really think Bioware would do this?  It would be unethical to introduce the true ending to a game in the form of DLC and charge people money for it.  When you buy a game you should be entitled to the actual ending like ME1, ME2, DAO, KOTOR, DA2, etc.

Star Child (Catalyst)

The catalyst was a brilliant concept. I was a huge fan of the movie Contact (7.3 imdb).  Those three choices were the most epic choices I've seen in a sci-fi game.  If you were shocked and didn't understand what happened in that scene then it PROVES you don't understand the main theme of ME. 

ME for me was all about organics, synthetics and all the controversery that comes with it.  Life creating life? Is that an acceptable concept? Is it blasphemous? Are the reapers an abomination (like anderson said)?  Should they be controlled (Understanding TIM). Should there be unity? Is Nanotechnology the future? Should people always be entitled to their free will?

I thought it was brilliant and if you didn't understand then you FAIL. The proof is if you reloaded and chose a different ending. If you did that, it PROVES that you failed to understand Shepard and the Mass Effect Universe. Now go uninstall the game, you don't deserve it.

FACT: The proof that you fail is if you reloaded and chose a different ending due to you failing to understand Commander Shepard and the main Mass Effect theme (organics & synthetics).

(If you didn't reload and stayed true to your first choice at the end, much love and respect goes to you my friend!)

Luzarius
www.twitch.tv/luzarius
"no death ruleset"

Sorry OP, but you do know that no matter what, any DLC that bioware brings out will change the "ending" if it follows the pattern that ME3 set. See, with From Ashes DLC, you were able to gain more War Assets, effectivly changing your Effective Military Strength. You do know, that the better EFS you have, the ending does change. So there you go.

[Greyfox84]

Here's the thing with the ending.

It makes me never want to replay the Mass Effect games again. They are all still amazing games, one game ending doesn't suddenly change the amazing quality of what we've spent years playing, but it absolutely can give you a totally new perspective, and from there, you are really not going to want to go back.

Now, the ending can make perfect sense, it can allow Bioware to keep artistic integrity (although I don't believe they can lay claim to that) but here's the thing. How much sense the ending does or does not make, and how much integrity it keeps, doesn't matter, when I no longer want to play the games any more because of THAT ending.

[NReed106]

Ah yes, because your opinion *has* to be right based on the fact that...........

Oh wait, I saw no support for your arguments other than "This is Fact cause I say it is"

No wonder you thought the catalyst was brilliant, you use the same circular logic BFFs

[rapichu]

Neither a Paragon or Renegade Shepard would ever just say "Okay" to the choices that was given to him. Up to that point, the Commander has done every little thing to destroy the Reapers. You're honestly okay with, "Well, this electric-kid-looking-thing has given me three choices to resolve this issue." Renegade Shep would have shot the kid in the f***ing face. Perhaps the Paragon would have tried to reason with the entity.

But Shepard has never, until the five minutes of the game, just accepted the fact that all was lost.

Perhaps you don't understand your Shepard. Or, because I've visited your stream, perhaps generating shock to gain viewers. If the intent is the latter, well done, sir. Well f***ing done.

[tempAE0F]

What is it with these Bioware apologists posting in these forums? They aren't paying you, so why are you trying so hard to convince the overwhelming majority that they are wrong?

Retconning a work is not without precedent. It's been done before and by bigger more important franchises. It does not cheapen nor lessen the franchise.

I'm willing to bet that the majority of defenders of this atrocious ending are people who just started playing the series.