There is a name for this game: Dungeons and Dragons, or any other pen and paper RPG.DJBare wrote...
Perhaps the gaming industry could market it,draken-heart wrote...
head canon fixes everything. just saying.
"We've got a story concept to fire up your imagination, for only $60 we give you the idea and let you do the rest with your imagination, we will also suppliment this with paragraph DLC for only $10, get the collectors edition complete with book marker for only $80"
Kylie Nightbreeze wrote...
There is a name for this game: Dungeons and Dragons, or any other pen and paper RPG.DJBare wrote...
Perhaps the gaming industry could market it,draken-heart wrote...
head canon fixes everything. just saying.
"We've got a story concept to fire up your imagination, for only $60 we give you the idea and let you do the rest with your imagination, we will also suppliment this with paragraph DLC for only $10, get the collectors edition complete with book marker for only $80"
KevShep wrote...
Dreogan wrote...
KevShep wrote...
Dreogan wrote...
They don't need to add anything to the story to fix it, though. That tweet you just read is a good hint of where they're heading: they're trying to salvage what's currently in the ending. They don't need indoctrination for that. Sure, it's possible they'll use it-- but it's unlikely.
There is no way to salvage that!
If you try then the anger is going to over flow making matter worse. They cant give an explaination for the sake of so many disliking the ending altogether!
Do not underestimate the author's power over their world. They underestimated us-- we shouldn't make the same mistake.
There power over there wold is given to them by us! They screwed up big time if this is there actuall ending so I actually overestimated them.
Modifié par Dreogan, 25 mars 2012 - 01:41 .
Kylie Nightbreeze wrote...
There is a name for this game: Dungeons and Dragons, or any other pen and paper RPG.DJBare wrote...
Perhaps the gaming industry could market it,draken-heart wrote...
head canon fixes everything. just saying.
"We've got a story concept to fire up your imagination, for only $60 we give you the idea and let you do the rest with your imagination, we will also suppliment this with paragraph DLC for only $10, get the collectors edition complete with book marker for only $80"
Dreogan wrote...
This is a different power. You're speaking of economic power; the author's power is more of a godlike absolute (if only for their world). It is possible for them to salvage the entire ending with strong editing and a few well-placed sentences. Extremely difficult, improbable, but possible.
KevShep wrote...
Dreogan wrote...
This is a different power. You're speaking of economic power; the author's power is more of a godlike absolute (if only for their world). It is possible for them to salvage the entire ending with strong editing and a few well-placed sentences. Extremely difficult, improbable, but possible.
By logic that could mean that the indoc theory is the easiest and best answer if its that hard to make sense of it. Making sense of it would just be a train wreck of crap to listen to/deal with.
I am thinking in the way of Fallout 3 and how to best fix it and the indoc theory opens the way for absolutely anything they want to do, so yes indoc theory is the best solution.
Modifié par Dreogan, 25 mars 2012 - 01:54 .
Fingertrip wrote...
The people that reject the Indoctrination Theory are goin to look mighty stupid and silly on PAX.
Just throwing it out there.
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MassEffected555 wrote...
Fingertrip wrote...
The people that reject the Indoctrination Theory are goin to look mighty stupid and silly on PAX.
Just throwing it out there.
I am sure that comment just won you a lot of fans.
Dreogan wrote...
KevShep wrote...
Dreogan wrote...
This is a different power. You're speaking of economic power; the author's power is more of a godlike absolute (if only for their world). It is possible for them to salvage the entire ending with strong editing and a few well-placed sentences. Extremely difficult, improbable, but possible.
By logic that could mean that the indoc theory is the easiest and best answer if its that hard to make sense of it. Making sense of it would just be a train wreck of crap to listen to/deal with.
I am thinking in the way of Fallout 3 and how to best fix it and the indoc theory opens the way for absolutely anything they want to do, so yes indoc theory is the best solution.
... except they still don't need the indoctrination theory to open the way for anything they want to do. They are gods in their universe. It also has nothing to do with the "best" solution: indoc is certainly not the least expensive solution. Nor would it be the fastest to produce.
If you haven't noticed, Bioware needs to fix this fast. It's far more likely we'll see a few words changed around in a month, a bit more explanation and a few sentences explaining what happens after, rather than a complete denoument with an after-indoctrination denouement, following additional polish on the concept that Shepard is indoctrinated during the star child contact. On top of this, check over the Doctor's letter and that tweet I showed you. The theme between them: temper your expectations.
Because, for indoctrination to work as a straight-line interpretation, this would be necessary. Just leaving things as they are and tacking a bit more on would still be a violation of the writer-reader contract.
wheelierdan wrote...
the bottom line with indoctrination theory is they never answer the fundamental question: ok if all that happened in shepards head, what happened in reality.
Shepard gets hit with the beam, is now hallucinating and hears over the radio that no one made it, in fact everyone should retreat. Why? because approximately 4 reapers have decided to converge on that one location. The whole point was they had to hurry to the beam before its too late.
If shepard is dreaming instead of doing, the reapers converge on the location and prevent anyone from getting in (not that it matters since they are retreating).
This would mean the crucible will not be used/ destroyed. the reapers have won. Game over.
The only answer i get from indoctrination theorist on this is yeah but thats while theyll have post ending dlc. The problem with that is they've said there will be no post ending dlc.
seriously guys, ask them what happens next?
our choices are we destroyed the galaxy or we failed to save it.
Modifié par FellishBeast, 25 mars 2012 - 02:05 .
FellishBeast wrote...
Why so much hate for the IDT? It literally makes sense of the ending and allows for continuing forward towards a REAL ending. I've not seen any IDT supporters claiming "I believe now I like the ending." It's an expectation for more, plus a really cool fourth wall-breaking plot twist.
FellishBeast wrote...
wheelierdan wrote...
the bottom line with indoctrination theory is they never answer the fundamental question: ok if all that happened in shepards head, what happened in reality.
Shepard gets hit with the beam, is now hallucinating and hears over the radio that no one made it, in fact everyone should retreat. Why? because approximately 4 reapers have decided to converge on that one location. The whole point was they had to hurry to the beam before its too late.
If shepard is dreaming instead of doing, the reapers converge on the location and prevent anyone from getting in (not that it matters since they are retreating).
This would mean the crucible will not be used/ destroyed. the reapers have won. Game over.
The only answer i get from indoctrination theorist on this is yeah but thats while theyll have post ending dlc. The problem with that is they've said there will be no post ending dlc.
seriously guys, ask them what happens next?
our choices are we destroyed the galaxy or we failed to save it.
WE DON'T KNOW.
That's BioWare's problem. We're not attmpeting to write the game for them. We're just taking what they already put in the game and coming to conclusions based on that.
I swear...90% of the people who bash IDT usually look like idiots because they no nothing about it. If you do your homework and still hate it...fine. But it's clear these ignorant people just read one sentence and press their "HATE" button.
EDIT: Sorry for any "emotional" wording. It's getting old. I only have so much shields.
KevShep wrote...
Dreogan wrote...
KevShep wrote...
Dreogan wrote...
This is a different power. You're speaking of economic power; the author's power is more of a godlike absolute (if only for their world). It is possible for them to salvage the entire ending with strong editing and a few well-placed sentences. Extremely difficult, improbable, but possible.
By logic that could mean that the indoc theory is the easiest and best answer if its that hard to make sense of it. Making sense of it would just be a train wreck of crap to listen to/deal with.
I am thinking in the way of Fallout 3 and how to best fix it and the indoc theory opens the way for absolutely anything they want to do, so yes indoc theory is the best solution.
... except they still don't need the indoctrination theory to open the way for anything they want to do. They are gods in their universe. It also has nothing to do with the "best" solution: indoc is certainly not the least expensive solution. Nor would it be the fastest to produce.
If you haven't noticed, Bioware needs to fix this fast. It's far more likely we'll see a few words changed around in a month, a bit more explanation and a few sentences explaining what happens after, rather than a complete denoument with an after-indoctrination denouement, following additional polish on the concept that Shepard is indoctrinated during the star child contact. On top of this, check over the Doctor's letter and that tweet I showed you. The theme between them: temper your expectations.
Because, for indoctrination to work as a straight-line interpretation, this would be necessary. Just leaving things as they are and tacking a bit more on would still be a violation of the writer-reader contract.
If Bioware fixes this fast there going to get nothing but more and more and more hate. ITs not a question of getting it do fast its more of doing it right! All they need to do is tell people that what they are doing fast.
If you just explain the endings with more diolauge and so forth it will not be enough to hush the masses. Its more then a lack of explainations, its a lack of sense of the direction of the story telling. There are too many hole to fill in a matter of a few lines without changing the whole thing. Its not salvagable. If you want I can tell kyou all the plot holes(there is a lot).
Modifié par Dreogan, 25 mars 2012 - 02:16 .
Kylie Nightbreeze wrote...
But the Indoc theory creates even more holes than it solves, so it is no better.
How do you know this?Fingertrip wrote...
The people that reject the Indoctrination Theory are goin to look mighty stupid and silly on PAX.
Just throwing it out there.
FellishBeast wrote...
Why so much hate for the IDT? It literally makes sense of the ending and allows for continuing forward towards a REAL ending. I've not seen any IDT supporters claiming "I believe now I like the ending." It's an expectation for more, plus a really cool fourth wall-breaking plot twist.
Modifié par Dreogan, 25 mars 2012 - 02:12 .
Dreogan wrote...
On the contrary, if they completely overhaul the ending or even go with indoctrination they risk an outcry from the people that simply didn't like indoctrination...
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