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[mghjr6]

Glad to have the French on our side!

I don't speak French, but I am a grammer ****, so if draft review is needed, I don't mind helping with that part if needed.

[gendocrono]

Viper371 wrote...

gendocrono wrote...

Is there somebody in your community interested in translating our letter ?

No... not really

But I'll translate part of it, it's quite... long! 
Je vais en traduire une partie, c'est long...

You might want to have a native english speaker double-check the grammar though


And here is our letter (containt spoilers) :

Letter from fans to the Bioware teams in charge of Mass Effect 32 v.1.3

Hello to all the creative and production team of Bioware.

We are french, begians and francophone players having finished the Mass Effect saga by the conclusion of its last episodes, Mass Effect 3.

We are aware of the controversy generated by the end of Mass Effect 3, and, since a few weeks, we are expessing ourselves on this subject by way of various topics on Bioware Social Network - French.

It is as representing an important part of the French/francophone players comunity that we took the initiative to open a dialog with you.

For a little while already, a part of the players have reacted in a violent, agressive and sometimes downright offensive toward your teams, but the majority we represent obviously condemn this despicable behaviours.  We wish to adopt a more constructive approach, as you have given us the opportunity to express ourself on this subject.

We thank you very much for that.

This project wishes itself to be humble, respectuous, open, and has an objective of easing the undestanding the complaints of players throughout the French speaking communities (but we also think that our opinions reflect those of many players throughout the world).

We all consider the Mass Effect trilogy as a huge saga, of a a rare quality  and are deeply aware of the sizable efforts you must have accomplished to give fans the games they wanted to play.
Mass Effect has deeply touched a huge quantity of players on the emotional plan, more than many other video games, and it is not a surprise that many people waited impatiently for this third and final episode.

Right, I translated this first part, hopefully someone can pick it up...
J'ai traduit la première partie, quelqu'un pourrait continuer... 

This is awesome, thanks a lot !

If anyone, want to continue this translation, don't hesitate, it could be easier for everyone if some people translate just a little part.

We could regroup everything when it's done.

[Skybree]

Welcome to the line

Kia Kaha!!

[rudenotginger]

gendocrono wrote...

Edit :Rudenotginger, i send you a private post, what do you think ?

Sure, I'll get on it. I will continue Viper371's work, if he/she doesn't mind.

Modifié par rudenotginger, 25 mars 2012 - 01:00 .

[S Atomeha]

Viper371 wrote...

gendocrono wrote...

Is there somebody in your community interested in translating our letter ?

No... not really

But I'll translate part of it, it's quite... long! 
Je vais en traduire une partie, c'est long...

You might want to have a native english speaker double-check the grammar though


And here is our letter (containt spoilers) :

Letter from fans to the Bioware teams in charge of Mass Effect 32 v.1.3

Hello to all the creative and production team of Bioware.

We are french, begians and francophone players having finished the Mass Effect saga by the conclusion of its last episodes, Mass Effect 3.

We are aware of the controversy generated by the end of Mass Effect 3, and, since a few weeks, we are expessing ourselves on this subject by way of various topics on Bioware Social Network - French.

It is as representing an important part of the French/francophone players comunity that we took the initiative to open a dialog with you.

For a little while already, a part of the players have reacted in a violent, agressive and sometimes downright offensive toward your teams, but the majority we represent obviously condemn this despicable behaviours.  We wish to adopt a more constructive approach, as you have given us the opportunity to express ourself on this subject.

We thank you very much for that.

This project wishes itself to be humble, respectuous, open, and has an objective of easing the undestanding the complaints of players throughout the French speaking communities (but we also think that our opinions reflect those of many players throughout the world).

We all consider the Mass Effect trilogy as a huge saga, of a a rare quality  and are deeply aware of the sizable efforts you must have accomplished to give fans the games they wanted to play.
Mass Effect has deeply touched a huge quantity of players on the emotional plan, more than many other video games, and it is not a surprise that many people waited impatiently for this third and final episode.

Right, I translated this first part, hopefully someone can pick it up...
J'ai traduit la première partie, quelqu'un pourrait continuer... 

 The reaction of some of the most loyal fans have shocked you, some voicing their feelings better than others.  We are part of those fans, and implore you to believe us that our initiative isn't just an immature reaction(not when this holds true to the majority of those who've finished the game), but a reflection of our feelings on the ending of Mass Effect 3.


So, we hope that you'd carefully consider what we will say in the following statement, because we wish to open a dialogue(conversartion?), and not to impose on you anything.
We respect International Property, and know that it is up to you to make the decisions.  
However, we wish to express ourselves on the ending and hope that you can take measures to give us a more (fitting would fit best here) end then what we have.



We find that the majority of the ending of ME3 was well done, and for this reason we are even more hurt by the ending.(for someone who speaks french mine isn't up to par... continuing)


"Why is a large majority of players not satisfyed with ME3's ending?"

We hope to clarify via three points

1)what the community didn't like
2)what the community would have liked
3)solutions brought by the community to help developers for future content

1)
what the community didn't like 

a)the feeling that developers didn't keep their promise about the impact of our decisions on the game.

here are some quotes of promises mad

http://www.computera...ly-good/?page=2

 
here's the next part

Modifié par S Atomeha, 25 mars 2012 - 01:06 .

[gendocrono]

Thank a lot, again.

Rudenotginger, i hope you have seen the S Atomeha's post

It's 3h in the night here, i will follow the chat tomorrow (french hour).

Good luck, and hold the line !


Edit :
For those who want take part to the translation, you can translate until "2) Ce que la communauté aurait aimé".

Elysis is working on the translation of this part, a big thank to her !

And don't worry everyone, once the translation will be over, we will read again .

Modifié par gendocrono, 25 mars 2012 - 01:15 .

[S Atomeha]

gendocrono wrote...

Thank a lot, again.

Rudenotginger, i hope you have seen the S Atomeha's post

It's 3h in the night here, i will follow the chat tomorrow (french hour).

Good luck, and hold the line !

eh.. haven't been reading much French. it's paraphrased in some parts, suppose it's what i get for living in english speaking countries and forgetting how to write french.... luckily i still speak it

[mupp3tz]

Fixed so it sounds more natural in the English language, as well as formatting.

A letter from fans to the Bioware teams in charge of Mass Effect 3 (v.1.3)

Hello to the creative and production teams of Bioware.

We are the French, Belgian, and Francophone players who have finished the Mass Effect saga, through completion of the last episode of the series: Mass Effect 3.

We are aware of the controversy generated by the ending of Mass Effect 3, and have spent the last few weeks expressing our concerns about the issue through various threads on the French Bioware Social Network forum.

Our initiative to open a dialogue with you is very important to the French/Francophone players of the community.

For some time, a segment of the players have reacted in violent, aggressive, and, sometimes, downright offensive behavior towards your teams; however, a majority of us obviously condemn this despicable behavior.  We want to adopt a more constructive approach, as you have given us the opportunity to express ourselves on this subject.

We are very thankful for this opportunity.

We intend to be humble, respectful, and open, and our objective is to ease the process of understanding player complaints throughout the French speaking communities.  In addition, we believe that our opinions reflect those of many players throughout the world as well.

We all consider the Mass Effect trilogy to be a huge saga of rare quality, and we are deeply aware of the sizeable efforts you must have taken to give fans the games they wanted to play. 

Mass Effect has deeply touched a huge quantity of players on the emotional level, more than many other video games.  So, it is not a surprise that many people have waited impatiently for this third and final episode.

Question: Did you mean "impatiently" (negative connotation / anxious) or "patiently" (positive connotation / eagerly)

Modifié par M U P P 3 T Z, 25 mars 2012 - 01:16 .

[gendocrono]

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

Fixed so it sounds more natural in the English language, as well as formatting.

A letter from fans to the Bioware teams in charge of Mass Effect 3 (v.1.3)

Hello to the creative and production teams of Bioware.

We are the French, Belgian, and Francophone players who have finished the Mass Effect saga, through completion of the last episode of the series: Mass Effect 3.

We are aware of the controversy generated by the ending of Mass Effect 3, and have spent the last few weeks expressing our concerns about the issue through various threads on the French Bioware Social Network forum.

Our initiative to open a dialogue with you is very important to the French/Francophone players of the community.

For some time, a segment of the players have reacted in violent, aggressive, and, sometimes, downright offensive behavior towards your teams; however, a majority of us obviously condemn this despicable behavior.  We want to adopt a more constructive approach, as you have given us the opportunity to express ourselves on this subject.

We are very thankful for this opportunity.

We intend to be humble, respectful, and open, and our objective is to ease the process of understanding player complaints throughout the French speaking communities.  In addition, we believe that our opinions reflect those of many players throughout the world as well.

We all consider the Mass Effect trilogy to be a huge saga of rare quality, and we are deeply aware of the sizeable efforts you must have taken to give fans the games they wanted to play. 

Mass Effect has deeply touched a huge quantity of players on the emotional level, more than many other video games.  So, it is not a surprise that many people have waited impatiently for this third and final episode.

Question: Did you mean "impatiently" (negative connotation / anxious) or "patiently" (positive connotation / eagerly)

It's a positive connotation.

Thanks for your rectifications =)

[Johcande XX]

topic bump. Sorry no speak French.

[VikingDream]

Hold the line brothers, sisters and AI's from across the English Channel wonders will never stop =D

I have never seen a game unit so many different people

[mupp3tz]

The reaction of your most loyal fans may have shocked you, and some have been able to voice their feelings better
than others.  We are a part of those fans, and we implore you to believe that our initiative is not just an immature
reaction – especially, since this feeling holds true for a majority of those who have finished the game – but a reflection of our feelings on the ending of Mass Effect 3.

We hope that you carefully consider what we have to say in the following statement, because we want to have an open discussion and not impose anything on you. 

We respect the concept of intellectual property and that you have the authority to make decisions; however, we want to express ourselves in the hopes that you can give us a more fitting end than what we were given.

A majority of the Mass Effect 3 ending was well done, and, for this reason, we are hurt even more by the ending.

“Why are a majority of players not satisfied with Mass Effect 3’s ending?”

We want to clarify this through 3 points:

      1)  What the community did not like
      2)  What the community would have liked, and
      3)  Solutions by the community to help developers for future content.

So, with that said... 

1.    What the community did not like:

       a.    The feeling that developers did not keep their promise about the impact of decisions on the game.

As an example, here are some promises made: LINK.
(http://www.computera...ly-good/?page=2)

I assume you meant intellectual property, and not international property.

Modifié par M U P P 3 T Z, 25 mars 2012 - 01:33 .

[S Atomeha]

whoever posted the link with samara's voice in french was right. it's good

[DarthSyphilis59]

Welcome to the line.

[mupp3tz]

I'll fix it.. give me one minute.

[S Atomeha]

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

I'll fix it.. give me one minute.

i posted my own translation above?

[Misterdde45000]

Good to see i'm not the only french in this part of the forum. Bienvenu camarade o/

[rudenotginger]

Here is another bit, will continue...

Given these promises made by Bioware, a genuine feeling of frustration, even betrayal, has emerged.
Indeed, the final climax gives us three choices, choices that we can compare to endings A, B, or C.

We also wonder why the choices that we previously made throughout the adventure have no real impact, or at least not the impact that we expected, since we understand that the consequence of our choices are reflected in the Total Military Strength (TMS).

However, it is regrettable that everything depends on a numerical value, that our choices to save the Rachni, cure the Krogan or betray them, side with the Salarian Dalatrass, save the Collector base or not, end the war between the Quarian and the Geth, all come down to War Assets score. We feel that in the end, all we have done is accumulate points, not help galactic allies.

Our choices do write the core of the scenario, our scenario, but why are the consequences of these choices not reflected in the ending itself? The only element that reminds us that we have rallied all the races is a scene where Admiral Hackett asks for a report from each fleet before the assault on Earth.

We are aware that our choices affect game mechanics, but we would have liked that our choices affect scenario possibilities.

For example, whether or not we have the Krogan as allies, as long as we have a certain amount of Effective Millitary Strength points, the three options are offered to the player.


Our point is that we no longer feel like we have to face the consequences of our choices.
Another example would be the final dialogue with the Illusive Man. We feel that our dialogue choices have no influence on the conclusion of this confrontation, that results inexorably in the death of the Illusive Man.

ETA: Sorry for the format glitch, not sure what happened.

Modifié par rudenotginger, 25 mars 2012 - 01:40 .

[mupp3tz]

S Atomeha wrote...

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

I'll fix it.. give me one minute.

i posted my own translation above?

I'm editing so it's flows more naturally and is grammatically correct.  Apologies if I offended you, but I'll stop there.  Go on!

[Exeider]

Huh.......The french...never would have called that one.

Well welcome to the front lines...Hold the Line.
-Æ

[mupp3tz]

A letter from fans to the Bioware teams in charge of Mass Effect 3 (v.1.3)

Hello to the creative and production teams of Bioware.

We are the French, Belgian, and Francophone players who have finished the Mass Effect saga, through completion of the last episode of the series: Mass Effect 3.

We are aware of the controversy generated by the ending of Mass Effect 3, and have spent the last few weeks expressing our concerns about the issue through various threads on the French Bioware Social Network forum.

Our initiative to open a dialogue with you is very important to the French/Francophone players of the community.

For some time, a segment of the players have reacted in violent, aggressive, and, sometimes, downright offensive behavior towards your teams; however, a majority of us obviously condemn this despicable behavior. We want to adopt a more constructive approach, as you have given us the opportunity to express ourselves on this subject.

We are very thankful for this opportunity.

We intend to be humble, respectful, and open, and our objective is to ease the process of understanding player complaints throughout the French speaking communities. In addition, we believe that our opinions reflect those of many players throughout the world as well.

We all consider the Mass Effect trilogy to be a huge saga of rare quality, and we are deeply aware of the sizeable efforts you must have taken to give fans the games they wanted to play.

Mass Effect has deeply touched a huge quantity of players on the emotional level, more than many other video games. So, it is not a surprise that many people have waited patiently for this third and final episode.

The reaction of your most loyal fans may have shocked you, and some have been able to voice their feelings better
than others. We are a part of those fans, and we implore you to believe that our initiative is not just an immature
reaction – especially, since this feeling holds true for a majority of those who have finished the game – but a reflection of our feelings on the ending of Mass Effect 3.

We hope that you carefully consider what we have to say in the following statement, because we want to have an open discussion and not impose anything on you.

We respect the concept of intellectual property and that you have the authority to make decisions; however, we want to express ourselves in the hopes that you can give us a more fitting end than what we were given.

A majority of the Mass Effect 3 ending was well done, and, for this reason, we are hurt even more by the ending.

“Why are a majority of players not satisfied with Mass Effect 3’s ending?”

We want to clarify this through 3 points:

    1) What the community did not like
    2) What the community would have liked, and
    3) Solutions by the community to help developers for future content.

So, with that said...

1. What the community did not like:

     a. The feeling that developers did not keep their promise about the impact of decisions on the game.

As an example, here are some promises made:

(http://www.computera...ly-good/?page=2)

“There is a huge set of consequences that start stacking up as you approach the end-game. And even in terms of the ending itself, it continues to break down to some very large decisions. So it's not like a classic game ending where everything is linear and you make a choice between a few things - it really does layer in many, many different choices, up to the final moments, where it's going to be different for everyone who plays it.”

(http://gamescatalyst...active-stories/)

“The whole idea of Mass Effect3 is resolving all of the biggest questions, about the Protheons and the Reapers, and being in the driver's seat to end the galaxy and all of these big plot lines, to decide what civilizations are going to live or die: All of these things are answered in Mass Effect 3.”

(http://www.gameinfor...PostPageIndex=2)

Interviewer: [Regarding the numerous possible endings of Mass Effect 2]
“Is that same type of complexity built into the ending of Mass Effect 3?”

Hudson:
“Yeah, and I’d say much more so, because we have the ability to build the endings out in a way that we don’t have to worry about eventually tying them back together somewhere. This story arc is coming to an end with this game. That means the endings can be a lot more different. At this point we’re taking into account so many decisions that you’ve made as a player and reflecting a lot of that stuff. It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C.....The endings have a lot more sophistication and variety in them.”

Given these promises made by Bioware, a genuine feeling of frustration, even betrayal, has emerged.  Indeed, the final climax gives us three choices, choices that we can compare to endings A, B, or C.

We also wonder why the choices that we previously made throughout the adventure have no real impact, or at least not the impact that we expected, since we understand that the consequence of our choices are reflected in the Total Military Strength (TMS).

However, it is regrettable that everything depends on a numerical value, that our choices to save the Rachni, cure the Krogan or betray them, side with the Salarian Dalatrass, save the Collector base or not, end the war between the Quarian and the Geth, all come down to War Assets score. We feel that in the end, all we have done is accumulate points, not help galactic allies.

Our choices do write the core of the scenario, our scenario, but why are the consequences of these choices not reflected in the ending itself? The only element that reminds us that we have rallied all the races is a scene where Admiral Hackett asks for a report from each fleet before the assault on Earth.

We are aware that our choices affect game mechanics, but we would have liked that our choices affect scenario possibilities.

For example, whether or not we have the Krogan as allies, as long as we have a certain amount of Effective Millitary Strength points, the three options are offered to the player.

Our point is that we no longer feel like we have to face the consequences of our choices.  Another example would be the final dialogue with the Illusive Man. We feel that our dialogue choices have no influence on the conclusion of this confrontation, that results inexorably in the death of the Illusive Man.

     The many plotholes and inconsistencies.

The frustration is amplified by a disturbing Deux Ex Machina, the Catalyst Child or Starchild.  We have the feeling that everything we have accomplished thus far is negated by the sudden apparition of an entity that gives us the illusion
of choices in a finite arc in which, no matter what we decide, we feel trapped and smothered.

The experiences of each players are certainly personal, their stories written by their own choices, but all converge to a single endings arc regardless of the story molded by the player.

Furthermore, the Starchild’s explanations fail to be convincing. Harvest organics to protect them from synthetics? Why then don’t the Reapers destroy synthetics? And even that would not be coherent, given that the Quarian and the Geth can find a durable resolution to their conflict.

With this point, we want to point out a series of inconsistencies within the scenario.

Submitted: gendocrono
French > English Translations: ginger, S Atomeha, and Viper371

Letter so far.  I'll update as we go.

Modifié par M U P P 3 T Z, 25 mars 2012 - 02:06 .

[AlphaDormante]

My French is very poor, so I wouldn't be much help in translating, but I would also be glad to assist in proofreading anything the OP or other French-speaking translators put forth.

Welcome to the Line, my friends.

Modifié par AlphaDormante, 25 mars 2012 - 01:38 .

[S Atomeha]

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

S Atomeha wrote...

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

I'll fix it.. give me one minute.

i posted my own translation above?

I'm editing so it's flows more naturally and is grammatically correct.  Apologies if I offended you, but I'll stop there.  Go on!

no offense taken, I only speak french while i can read it it's not at the highest level

[mupp3tz]

Alright, awesome! Let's get this letter sent to Bioware

I'll post what we have so far as it comes along and proof read some. We can all just double check each other so that we get this down right. Hold the line!

[rudenotginger]

MUPP3TZ - I added a little tidbit at the end of my translation, if you want to add it.