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[Jesusland]

Looked like the combined fleets of the galaxy were holding their own when the Normandy broke off.  Could the Alliance have prevailed against the Reaper fleet using conventional means?  Discuss.

[corkey sweet]

i think so, but bioware needed the god child instead

[joshko]

Only if Shepard remembered to tell them all they had to do was shoot the big red eye.

[FS3D]

I'd be willing to say it's possible. High enough ENS and the ending should allow a conventional win.

[Mathias]

They seemed to be holding their own pretty damn well.

[Crocmon]

Shoot the big eyes, which are their main guns. Then yea, they were weak to conventional warfare. Problem was there was just so many.

Again, this is a detail Bioware seemed to render along with Phoenix Down. (Phoenix Down doesn't work in cut-scenes, et cetera)

[Agamo45]

The fleet was getting torn to shreds from what I understood. The fleet was basically providing a distraction while 'Hammer' stormed the beam up into the Citadel.

[thesnake777]

I think so. It would take a great toll on the the fleets but I think it could have been done.

[KevShep]

I hope that they do change the endings because if they just try to explain the current endings then I am done because there is no way they can explain that!

I want an EPIC ending not with a wimper and a sigh!

[Ultra Prism]

Not really, Hackett claims the reapers willl bleed them out no matter what ... it is possible to give fatal blows to repears but they were too many stilll cruicible was key which is not explained properly until stupid Starchild ruins the epicness of ME series ...

[wathc me tyep]

Nope, they were getting demolished.

[sniper1250]

Not all the Reaper forces were at Earth, just the Earth invasion fleet and the citadel moving(?) fleet. So no, victory was not possible using conventional means. Admiral Hackett didn't think so and you would probably have to kill and replace all the military leaders in the game to get them to try it because it's such a terrible idea to try. It's one of the problems with changing the ending, your forces are losing.

[Zix13]

No. But if the protheans were any example, it takes a long time for the reapers to do their thing. Since this is the first organized cycle, they could have developed technology based on reaper tech, bought time, and force the reapers to remain in large groups, slowing them down further. I don't know about victory being likely, but I would imagine it would be eventually possible.

[TheMadBlimper]

It should have been possible. It should have been one of the multiple endings they promised us.

But, nOoOoOoOo, godkid. >:|

[Pottumuusi]

Why do it the conventional way when you can do it the magic way?

[Welsh Inferno]

Nope. 

Capital class Reapers are incredibly tough to destroy. It would take down hundreds of ships before you could kill it. And theres atleast hundreds if ot thousands of them.

Modifié par Welsh Inferno, 24 mars 2012 - 11:43 .

[jstme]

If i was the guy who wrote it - no. Reapers destroyed numerous civilizations in lots of cycles, so conventional means would not make it.
I was sure that this is what the crucible thingy for, though the fact that nobody knew how it works was kind of a problem because it can be a reaper trap. But if it the story is set correctly it could work.
Reapers are based on mass effect, citadel is most powerful mass effect device so crucible can connect to it and change the laws of physics or something for a period of time long enough to kill the reapers.
Bittersweet part - Shepard had to die doing it but killed Harbinger. All civilization centers were destroyed when mass relays blew at ctr. All in chaos but reaper dudes are stopped.
Really expected something like this.

Modifié par jstme, 24 mars 2012 - 11:42 .

[Baronesa]

I believe it was possible... but only ONLY if you attack the worlds with less defenses... a frontal assault to the bulk of the Reapers, seems a bit suicidal, but then again if you DO secure enough allies, the massive fleet you get can at least last a few and make a visible dent.

Problems with fighting conventionally. The war would last decades, no way around that. Some worlds like Earth and possibly Thessia would be lost. Seems that the Repaer forces in Thessia were stronger than on Palaven, and Palaven can be saved by the fleet, if only Turians and Krogen were enough to stall the advance of the Reapers.

The real problem comes from the ground war... Considering that the Reapers can convert civlilians, prisioners and even dead people into troops, they have incredible numbers that, unless you put all the krogan on mating duties, you won't match them.

The great advantage reapers had on previous cycles was to isolate star systems by disabling the Mass Relays, so there were no possible reinforcements to save them, and the surprise attack. On this cycle you manage to unite the galaxy and YOUR MASSIVE fleet can do quick attacks, enough to weaken the reaper's positions.

[_NF_Von_Lipwig]

I tink it should have been possible. In my opinion, it would have made for a much better game experience overall.

After all, the Reapers' main strategic advantage throughout all their cycles was the fact that they could completely annihilate enemy mobility (disabling Mass Relays) and central leadership (taking over the Citadel), meaning they could focus on slaughtering gigantic empires system by system. However, this time their clever plan failed and they had to fight against a united galaxy.

THAT is what I thought would be the clincher; the Reapers' plan failed and now they faced odds they never anticipated they would. Unfortunately, Bioware opted for the easy way out: a big superweapon to wipe out Reapers: that bloody Crucible.

I still think the Crucible is A) an unnecessary story mechanic and a waste of resources better spent on building up a fleet with improved shielding, mobility and weaponry.

Modifié par _NF_Von_Lipwig, 24 mars 2012 - 11:45 .

[ZiegenkonigIII]

Seeing as how the krogan/turian alliance managed to destroy several destroyer-class Reapers on Palaven I think it's very possible.

[sniper1250]

jstme wrote...

If i was the guy who wrote it - no. Reapers destroyed numerous civilizations in lots of cycles, so conventional means would not make it.
I was sure that this is what the crucible thingy for, though the fact that nobody knew how it works was kind of a problem because it can be a reaper trap. But if it the story is set correctly it could work.
Reapers are based on mass effect, citadel is most powerful mass effect device so crucible can connect to it and change the laws of physics or something for a period of time long enough to kill the reapers.
Bittersweet part - Shepard had to die doing it but killed Harbinger. All civilization centers were destroyed when mass relays blew at ctr. All in chaos but reaper dudes are stopped.
Really expected something like this.

See, I made a post about what I think the crucible was designed to do. Long story short, I think it was a last ditch effort to stop the cycles by destroying the mass effect relays. People said the Reapers could just build new ones, but without all the materials just laying about it would take them too long and they would miss their queue for the next cycle and that species would not have grown on paths they determined so it would not be possible to continue the cycles like they were doing.

People didn't like my theory. Aparently no one cares about what the actual function of the crucible was.

[Verethele]

As previously mentioned, Hackett states that they cannot win conventionally just before the final assault.

I'll take his word for it, tbh.

[Zix13]

Welsh Inferno wrote...

Nope. 

Capital class Reapers are incredibly tough to destroy. It would take down hundreds of ships before you could kill it. And theres atleast hundreds if ot thousands of them.

Codex says 4 dreadnaughts can destroy a reaper capital ship.

[CrazyCatDude]

I think if they'd spent those months building dreadnaughts instead of the crucible, refitting all their ships with Thanix cannons and Javelin launchers etc, they would have been able to take the Reapers in a straight up fight. After all, the Thanix was reverse engineered from the Reaper's own weapons. Add to that sending a team to reverse engineer the barriers on the reaper you destroyed on Rannoch (Have the Geth do it, since they can't be indoctrinated or huskified) and you'd have had much higher chance, since you could go toe to toe on equal terms.