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[Shatterhand1701]

Fine, but we can without the "final nail in the coffin" B.S., you know? Enough melodrama. There's enough of that spreading throughout the BSN like an antibiotic-resistant strain of the clap already.

[Annora]

But they need the drama, how else will they get their points across?

[Soulstice88]

Very nice video, subbed to him after watching. Knowledgable and calm, just the way criticism needs to be put out there.

I can definitly see his point in keeping the Reapers a mystery espcially.

Modifié par Soulstice88, 25 mars 2012 - 01:51 .

[demin8891]

humes spork wrote...

Paulomedi wrote...

I'd invite you to watch the whole video. Or you're like this ME3 reviewers who didn't play the whole game, and still thinks it's magnificient?

Not worth my time.

Anyone who takes the dark energy thing seriously is demonstrating prima facie they haven't done the background reading in the codices they need to be remotely credible on the subject.

Anyone who thinks the conflict between synthetics and organics isn't a sufficient, ongoing theme in the game to base an ending around, just wasn't intellectually there while playing the games. At all. To the point I must wonder if they were even playing Mass Effect at all.

...and anyone who tries to talk about what would be a "better" ending in the context of that glaring ignorance of the universe and its ongoing themes is just a bloody fool, regardless of how well-spoken they are.

Smells like smug up in here.

[spirosz]

Just watched the video, thanks for posting. I agree with most of what he said, especially around 28:40, where he goes into detail about the lack of passion towards the ending - "are we done yet" part.

[Mad-Hamlet]

I love how generalizing statements somehow inspire twits to declare mass judgement upon something not five sentences before they're praising for each persons own individual perspective.

So, explain to me how that works- Something is wonderful because for each person it's unique and yet bozos making videos can somehow call upon their omniscience to declare once and for all how something is for everyone else.

This must mean they're god.

And so I must ask 'The Question'.

If you're God, why that face?


No one ever will tell me what is or is not the final anything regarding anything. I will make up my own mind.

[Isichar]

Paulomedi wrote...

Shatterhand1701 wrote...

Fine, but we can without the "final nail in the coffin" B.S., you know? Enough melodrama. There's enough of that spreading throughout the BSN like an antibiotic-resistant strain of the clap already.

Tried to change. Is it better now?

Yeah it is actually. Anyways great video and a good watch thanks.

[NReed106]

it's a good thing to listen to, interesting ideas

[Mad-Hamlet]

It's exactly your point

Than his very theme is contrary to his message.

[Reptilian Rob]

Wow.

Hit the nail on the head. Bravo.

[Isichar]

Anyone find it funny he said blizzard instead of bioware at the end? cause Ive done that too 0_o

[MJF JD]

it was a good expression of his opinions. I dont know if it really brought anything new to the discussion though.

[Erield]

I watched the first 5 minutes, then skipped to the last 10 minutes.  He obviously feels very strongly, but he says absolutely nothing of substance.

"These devs didn't feel anything and that's why it's terrible and I want them to feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel."

The devs cared.  There's just a complete and utter disconnect between what the devs promised, what they thought they were delivering, and what they actually delivered.

[humes spork]

Paulomedi wrote...

See, in the video, he says the ending didn't work because it robs you your choices, your perspective of the story. It doesn't open for each person, it closes to three choices.

In my opinion, the ending doesn't work because it's extraordinarily poorly-exposited, jumbled, doesn't logically flow from one point to the next and doesn't include the context that's absolutely necessary to fully understand it. That's on the writers heads' for not connecting points A through whatever in a coherent way. Outside that, it's extremely thematically appropriate and did fit in the larger context of the entire trilogy. Is it lazy and does it reek of apathy? yeah, and water is wet and the sky is blue. Congratulations, your cunning observation has demonstrated your capability to pass a Turing test.

For example, everyone gripes about the Catalyst's poor logic. That's deliberate, that's the way it's supposed to be. You're talking to a synthetic, and synthetics have fundamentally different psychology and reasoning than organics. The trilogy absolutely beats you over the head repeatedly with that point from as early as the opening hours of ME1 (Citadel: Signal Tracking to be exact) straight through to the very ending, but when that thematic element becomes absolutely critical to understanding the context of the ending it's simply not even mentioned, and even worse that thematic element's major appearances are in optional dialog to which many if not most players pay no attention and never give second thought when it's done.

That's absolutely indefensible bad writing, but it is in fact there.

Modifié par humes spork, 25 mars 2012 - 02:15 .

[MJF JD]

I thought up until the end of the game that there were a number of wonderfully created moments that demonstrated the passion that the developers had for the game. I think the ending itself was just a big miss on their behalf and they are working to correct that. Hopefully it works out.

[D3SM0ND0]

Nice vid. The guy is spot on in his assessment of the state of Bioware. I've seen it for myself, they are not the same company who made the games that I enjoyed so much. Sad really

[Gill Kaiser]

humes spork wrote...

He says the ending isn't foreshadowed and has nothing thematically to do with predecessor games, strike 2.

What? Please explain how the current ending is foreshadowed and link it to the themes of the series.

[NReed106]

humes spork wrote...

Paulomedi wrote...

I'd invite you to watch the whole video. Or you're like this ME3 reviewers who didn't play the whole game, and still thinks it's magnificient?

Not worth my time.

Anyone who takes the dark energy thing seriously is demonstrating prima facie they haven't done the background reading in the codices they need to be remotely credible on the subject.

Anyone who thinks the conflict between synthetics and organics isn't a sufficient, ongoing theme in the game to base an ending around, just wasn't intellectually there while playing the games. At all. To the point I must wonder if they were even playing Mass Effect at all.

...and anyone who tries to talk about what would be a "better" ending in the context of that glaring ignorance of the universe and its ongoing themes is just a bloody fool, regardless of how well-spoken they are.

Anyone who judges a person on a first impression and assumes he knows all his viewpoints from that point on is being foolish as well

[spirosz]

Sad but true at his take on "fans cared more about the series than the developers". Don't get me wrong, I know there are very passionate people in the Bioware team - look at how they developed Jack's story through ME2, or Legion and Mordin's sacrifice through ME3, they poured their hearts out in some of these characters, but as a whole, I agree with his view on the lack of passion; "they're treating it like it's another job". It does show, that's the problem, but I understand that there are always sacrifices to be made and they might not be able to achieve their vision because of money, limitations in gaming engines, etc - EA (lol). I adore the series, it's brought me through some hard times and because of a few characters, I was able to achieve a lot of inspiration in certain goals, which I'm thankful for, but that still doesn't take away from how I viewed their handle of this last game.

[ReavousX]

I'd like to shake this guy's hand. I've watched his ME3 videos multiple times. He gets it. I feel as though I owe him a drink.