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[Bleachrude]

re: Dark Energy

Um, other than Tali's recruitment mission in ME2, did we EVER get any talk/hints about Dark energy..

I mean, since ME1, we've done the entire synthetic vs organic deal..from the VI on Luna, to the Overlord DLC to the first ME1 when we thought Reapers were totally synthetic to the big issues with EDI (her being unshackled to her deciding to rewrite her code) to even CDN with the Virtual aliens, it's kind of been a big part of the ME universe.

Now, did the ending allow us to bring up what we've learned across the three games with regard to synthetics vs organics? No.

However, a "dark energy" ending would be out of left field IMO given the relatively little foreshadowing we get in the game....

[humes spork]

Grasich wrote...

This, I agree with. Personally I wanted to have a win by "conventional" means (still, a unified galaxy is hardly conventional), but with very very heavy losses. The galaxy SHOULD have been left in a real mess at the end, however it should have been a mess that can be rebuilt.

Well, taking into consideration all the to-do about dark energy between Parasini, Dholen and Arrival the conclusion I came to based on the evidence at hand was Shepard's last ditch move was to pull a Carter and chuck the Charon relay into Sol. That's seriously what I put my money on a potential ending to ME3 being.

That said, I still figured the relay network and Citadel would be toast in ME3, given the alternate ongoing theme of self-determination, limitation and challenge. The relays did Bad, Bad Things to species' ability to develop and evolve, practically indenturing them to a given path of development and in order for the galactic community to fully self-actualize that had to go.

Modifié par humes spork, 25 mars 2012 - 04:31 .

[Grasich]

humes spork wrote...

Grasich wrote...

This, I agree with. Personally I wanted to have a win by "conventional" means (still, a unified galaxy is hardly conventional), but with very very heavy losses. The galaxy SHOULD have been left in a real mess at the end, however it should have been a mess that can be rebuilt.

Well, taking into consideration all the to-do about dark energy between Parasini, Dholen and Arrival the conclusion I came to based on the evidence at hand was Shepard's last ditch move was to chuck the Charon relay into Sol, giving the Reapers the Carter treatment at the bargain bin cost of wiping out Earth. That's seriously what I put my money on being one of the potential endings to ME3.

That would have also been an acceptable ending, imo.

Actually something like that would have worked great as an option.

Perhaps something like allowing you to fight the Reapers without doing that, but Shep and crew all die as well as a lot of Alien forces, but Earth is saved and overall more end up living. OR blowing up the Relay, and allowing more aliens as well as Shep and crew to live, but more deaths overall (and of course total destruction of Earth).

Hmmm...

[CYRAX470]

His thoughts on the Reapers not having a origin and motive reveal tickles me in the right spot. He has a lot of good ideas.

[humes spork]

Grasich wrote...

That would have also been an acceptable ending, imo.

Oh, hell yes that would have been an acceptable ending. Right there would have been a shoe-in for "most b*tchin' explosion in science fiction".

...and the fact my engineer femshep looks and acts like Samantha Carter has nothing to do with it, and that coupled with my complete Stargate fanboy status makes it totally not wishful thinking on my part. :innocent:

[Grasich]

humes spork wrote...

Grasich wrote...

That would have also been an acceptable ending, imo.

Oh, hell yes that would have been an acceptable ending. Right there would have been a shoe-in for "most b*tchin' explosion in science fiction".

...and the fact my engineer femshep looks and acts like Samantha Carter has nothing to do with it, and that coupled with my complete Stargate fanboy status makes it totally not wishful thinking on my part. :innocent:

lol it would most certainly have been a very memorable ending. Not to mention it ties in with a number of the main themes of ME... the more I think about this the more I think "Why the hell did they not do this?"

[razor150]

humes spork wrote...

Paulomedi wrote...

I'd invite you to watch the whole video. Or you're like this ME3 reviewers who didn't play the whole game, and still thinks it's magnificient?

Not worth my time.

Anyone who takes the dark energy thing seriously is demonstrating prima facie they haven't done the background reading in the codices they need to be remotely credible on the subject.

Anyone who thinks the conflict between synthetics and organics isn't a sufficient, ongoing theme in the game to base an ending around, just wasn't intellectually there while playing the games. At all. To the point I must wonder if they were even playing Mass Effect at all.

...and anyone who tries to talk about what would be a "better" ending in the context of that glaring ignorance of the universe and its ongoing themes is just a bloody fool, regardless of how well-spoken they are.

And you would have to be brain dead if you didn't notice in ME2 that the synthetics vs organics theme is a largely manufactured one when Legion joined your crew. It is a conflict even more discredited in ME3. You can literally have synthetics sharing a planet with organics with those synthetics helping the organics adapt to the world. You have a synthetic in a romance with an organic. You have synthetics fighting in your fleet, and one fighting at your side. It is a theme the game actively debuncts yet the ending is about saving organics from synthetics. An AI that is literally a god, in the end it did have the power to alter life itself, and it doesn't even have a coherent reason for the cycle it created.

[Clumsy Astronaut]

I don't agree on his views on reaper motive reveals, as I feel if it was well done other would be great, but throughout ME3 I thought that there were a few points pre ending that were squashed short because of deadlines and the "ending" really felt like EA just whent "nope. You get no extensions FOR EVAA!" A pity such a great game in a great series came
to such an end. (hoping but not expecting news on TOTAL ENDING REWRITE in April )

[cuzsal]

i hope this guy is wrong

but he could be right :/

[Grasich]

Clumsy Astronaut wrote...

I don't agree on his views on reaper motive reveals, as I feel if it was well done other would be great, but throughout ME3 I thought that there were a few points pre ending that were squashed short because of deadlines and the "ending" really felt like EA just whent "nope. You get no extensions FOR EVAA!" A pity such a great game in a great series came
to such an end. (hoping but not expecting news on TOTAL ENDING REWRITE in April )

No joke, I will throw a party if they announce this.

[Reciever80]

I agree: Disappointment for the ending, not anger or happiness. I agree that illusive man shouldn't have been a final battle. However, Everything up to the cerberus base was amazing, plus or minus a few scenes. Talking with Garrus, Thane's sacrifice, Liara's time capsule, etc.

Check this link out, might shed light on why ending felt so different: http://tinyurl.com/6uprbta

I liked the first ME the best. In ME2, I felt the plot was a bit weak, but way better on char development.

^^my attempted youtube comment....keep getting errors. Should still apply here, though.

[Liec]

As much as I don't like the ending, I thought everything else was excellent, even the MP which I thought I wouldn't like. Saying that devs didn't care about the work is simply unfair :/

[Grasich]

Reciever80 wrote...

I agree: Disappointment for the ending, not anger or happiness. I agree that illusive man shouldn't have been a final battle. However, Everything up to the cerberus base was amazing, plus or minus a few scenes. Talking with Garrus, Thane's sacrifice, Liara's time capsule, etc.

Check this link out, might shed light on why ending felt so different: http://tinyurl.com/6uprbta

I liked the first ME the best. In ME2, I felt the plot was a bit weak, but way better on char development.

^^my attempted youtube comment....keep getting errors. Should still apply here, though.

I've seen that, and it actually wouldn't surprise me at all.

I prefered ME1 over ME2 as well, though mostly because Liara is a squadmate.

[Sohlito]

The videos are definitely worth watching. I agree that the original script by Karpyshyn should have been kept.

[Missy_MI]

I think this commentator has some interesting points regarding the endings, but beyond that I disagree with his opinion.  Oddly enough, I disagree with it the most during the last ten minutes of the video which everyone else seems to love.

Yes, the endings of ME3 felt unsatisfying and disappointing to me.  But to claim there are 'cracks in the seams' throughout the rest of the game and this is due to a 'lack of passion' by the developers just seems... a bit ridiculous.

Over and over, I see the same mantra repeated about ME3 that '90% of the game is fantastic, last 10 minutes suck'.  And I agree.

The sheer amount of detail in ME3 is staggering.  Especially considering that the same scene may play out in a completely different way depending upon who is left alive from the previous games, the former choices made, ect.  And yes, I am one who agrees that the majority of those choices feel meaningless in the last few minutes.  But up until that point ME3 is a great game.

This commentator claims he's grieving for BioWare now and it'll 'never be what it once was'.  This boggles my mind almost as much as the endings did.

Is this fatalistic view really how everyone feels now?

[Grasich]

Missy_MI wrote...

This commentator claims he's grieving for BioWare now and it'll 'never be what it once was'.  This boggles my mind almost as much as the endings did.

Is this fatalistic view really how everyone feels now?

Not yet, but I'm getting there. If they don't do something other than give us PR talk and throw around crap like "artistic integrity", then ya, I'll be on the "Bioware is done." side. If they actually fix the ending, however, I'll give them another shot.

[jb1983]

So I watched it. His whole "Dark Energy" thing is irrelevant to the entire video. His potential endings (on the first video) actually do work.

I think he's asking for TOO much detail (I don't care about Gianni Parsani or other things like that), but he has the general idea of what is important. He gets it.

Sadly, none of what he said will ever happen.

[xxskyshadowxx]

CYRAX470 wrote...

His thoughts on the Reapers not having a origin and motive reveal tickles me in the right spot. He has a lot of good ideas.

I agree...after all, the Cthulhu Mythos has been very popular since the 1920's simply because the Ancient Ones are unknowable...and that creates a lot of fascinating tension.

What stood out most to me in the video however was when he was talking about how ME3 is really one of the first big games to come out since EA bought the company, and it seems (when you compare the game to ME2--and in my opinion ME1) that it was made by a group of people who didn't care as much as the first two games. I can see where he is coming from.

His final quote was truly sad:

"I grieve...because we had something amazing in Bioware, and it's gone."

[Grasich]

Opsrbest wrote...


Who is this guy that I should care what he thinks?

He has the credentials to actually be able to back up what he says?

How dare anyone have an opinion without a degree!

Seriously, he has good points. If you only listen to people if they have "credentials" then you are really missing a lot of good ideas.

[Skyblade012]

Thinking about the last ten minutes of the vid, I have to agree.

The more I look on at the game, the more its flaws show through, especially in a replay.

The lack of sidequests, and an even greater lack of depth and decisions in the ones we got. Heck, even little things like the quest tracker no longer updating, or the face import problem. Characters still using guns that they aren't frelling carrying (which you'd think they would have fixed after ME2). Import flags not transferring properly.

I still like the game, and if it had a proper ending, I'd still replay it (although I would only do so as a part of the whole trilogy). But looking at the standard of game they're putting out, even if they fix the ending, I'm probably not getting anything else from BioWare.

[Billabong2011]

He's extremely articulate and perceptive. One of the best arguments I've seen on youtube. Subscribed - very intelligent guy. And I find myself agreeing 100%.

[Terraforming2154]

Missy_MI wrote...

I think this commentator has some interesting points regarding the endings, but beyond that I disagree with his opinion.  Oddly enough, I disagree with it the most during the last ten minutes of the video which everyone else seems to love.

Yes, the endings of ME3 felt unsatisfying and disappointing to me.  But to claim there are 'cracks in the seams' throughout the rest of the game and this is due to a 'lack of passion' by the developers just seems... a bit ridiculous.

Over and over, I see the same mantra repeated about ME3 that '90% of the game is fantastic, last 10 minutes suck'.  And I agree.

The sheer amount of detail in ME3 is staggering.  Especially considering that the same scene may play out in a completely different way depending upon who is left alive from the previous games, the former choices made, ect.  And yes, I am one who agrees that the majority of those choices feel meaningless in the last few minutes.  But up until that point ME3 is a great game.

This commentator claims he's grieving for BioWare now and it'll 'never be what it once was'.  This boggles my mind almost as much as the endings did.

Is this fatalistic view really how everyone feels now?

I definitely want to agree with you more than him - and I like his videos and agree with him quite a bit.

I do feel like the game started to show signs of  rushing or "cracks" after the quest on Rannoch, but I don't know if we can blame that on Bioware losing its passion or on time constraints. I want to believe it is the former, because there are so many great, thoughtful moments in the game where I thought to myself that the writers both cared and were listening.

I want to believe if they had more time, things could have been better.

The last few minutes of his video were discouraging, to say the least. I want to believe that Bioware can turn this around and regain the trust they have lost because of this.

At the same time, I can't help but admit that I'm starting to feel how he obviously does.

Modifié par Terraforming2154, 25 mars 2012 - 06:29 .