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[Keldaurz]

I have serious lag issues to be honest, the graal doesn't work half time and **** like that. I will give the GPS a try, but i guess it will be the same "losing bullets".

[RuffScruffGamer]

Claymore with choke is like a widow without sacrificing blind-side perception. I got bored of sniper rifles with my infiltrators and tried the claymore instead as the mechanic is similar to a widow (1 shot then reload). I was very surprised at it's effectiveness even in gold. I was taking away 4-6 bars of life in atlases, primes and banshees. You don't even have to be in CQC to be effective, medium range is fairly decent as well.

Obviously the drawback is the effective range but damage-wise it's comes close to the widow.

[RuffScruffGamer]

yep I tried it and it works well.

A Wild Snorlax wrote...

has anyone tried a claymore infiltrator on gold? It's great on silver but I haven't tried it on gold yet.... my claymore level is X and I have maxed all the mods for shotguns. I usually don't host the games so the gps is not that great for me due to lag.

[The RPGenius]

Ashen Earth wrote...

All of a sudden, Phantoms aren't so threatening anymore.

When have Phantoms ever been threatening to someone with a Geth Shotgun?  At this point, I'm 2-hit-KO'ing them (1-hit if I can get the head), and that's not even with the gun and damage modifier fully upgraded.  I love it when Phantoms enter the field; it means Experience Happy Fun Times for me.

[SuperADJ]

OP, I like the sound of your set-up and have been contemplating something similar as I have a Human Infiltrator with 20 levels worth of points to assign.

My question is how do you spec your character? I understand the basic strategy, but where would you recommend investing points? Stickys or Cryo? Melee or Durability?

[Blissey1]

I'm more of a Claymore infiltrator myself. I've tried the GPS(Grall requires too much aiming, I might as well be using a sniper!), but whole charge then cloak thing is just too awkward of a play style for me.

Meanwhile, the claymore can easily cut huge chunks into larger targets, and occasionally multi kill weaker targets, all from close to medium range. Only advantage GPS has is the double shoot while cloaked(awkward to use) and the omni-range.

[xZBx]

Ashen Earth wrote...

My Quarian infiltrator uses a Geth Plasma Shotgun. The cool thing is, if you start charging your shot, then cloak you can fire and remain hidden. That means at least 2 cloaked shots. The damage output can be ridiculous. All of a sudden, Phantoms aren't so threatening anymore.

inb4 elitists come in here whining about how the tactic won't work on gold, even though it does.

Using a Geth plasma shotgun works on gold regardless of class, even if you **** up the class horribly. That's how amazing that weapon is lol. I have it at VII atm, it's just stupidddd.

Modifié par xZBx, 26 mars 2012 - 08:40 .

[okita_luc]

I prefer a Claymore.

But I see the GPS nerf coming lol, like the did with Falcon

[BTCentral]

While I have both, I like my scope and being able to see though smoke etc. but thanks.

The only shotgun I kind of like is the Disciple... but that's just about viable for Bronze and nothing else based on the damage it does, IMO. If the AT-12 Raider was in MP, I'd probably be willing to give that a go.

I'll stick with my Mantis / Paladin combo, until I get a Black Widow, if I ever get one. RNG does not seem to like me much, as it's one of the three weapons I am missing.

Modifié par BTCentral, 26 mars 2012 - 09:05 .

[Geimhreadh]

But what if I have a Mantis X with scope mod and neither of the shotguns you mentioned?

[OblivionDawn]

CQC Infiltrators are fun as hell.

[Malanek]

I tried this last night. I loved it in ME2 with the geth shotgun but what I found is that in me3 enemies see through the cloak a lot better when you are close. They even turn and shoot or melee you. I hadn't played an infiltrator in ME3 yet so that was a bit of a shock.

[brummbrumm]

graal is supposed to be better for an an infiltrator on gold ? seriously ? I have a graal X, a GPS X and a claymore X - and the claymore is definitely the single best shotgun for an infiltrator on gold.

the area of effect is much larger ( much easier to deliver a headshot ), it hits instantly - so no delay between the shot and the hit- and it has a tremendous punch. proximity mine and claymore X with damage mod and improved precision means that you can kill an atlas with 6 to 8 shots from the front ( cloak, proximity mine, claymore shot, cover ) - and you can kill tons of enemies that are farther away, especially when coming out of stealth with a single shot.

graal and gps have a tiny, tiny crosshair which means that you are prone to miss much more often, a delay between pressing the trigger and hitting the enemy  and a much lower damage value, even when you charge your shots.

I have tried all three on gold - nothing beats the claymore in my eyes. graal and gps need those additional shots because you are prone to miss more often and do a lot less damage..

Modifié par brummbrumm, 26 mars 2012 - 11:53 .

[SuperADJ]

Tried the GPS III on Gold last night after a warm-up game on Silver and was pleasantly surprised. Haven't tried the class before those 2 games and although I was still getting used to it I played my part and we cleared it.

The beauty of the GPS is that you can release a charged shot and then retreat to safety before your cloak fails. Clearly you're not pumping out mega-DPS but you stay alive and most of the Geth were dying in 2-3 charged shots. I started firing a second shot to follow the first (breaking cloak) if the enemy was alone, otherwise maintained my guerilla warfare tactic. I also acted as team medic as I was often in a perfect position to pick up fallen teammates.

I need to allocate a lot of points now, I was level 17 but had 14 points spare (I think). I was thinking durability in fitness would compensate for those moments when you don't get away, or are surprised during cooldown, but then thought the melee tree looked appealing as I could follow a charged shot with Heavy Melee for a 75% melee bonus and 25% (I think?) weapon bonus for a brief period.

Finally, I didn't use Cryo once. I prefer it to sticky grenade as a power as I like the armour debuff and I don't need to worry about crates, BUT I used stickies quite a bit last night to maximise damage from a single cloak CD. I'm thinking therefore I'll invest in Stickies over Cryo, but wondered if anyone has any other suggestions?

Modifié par SuperADJ, 27 mars 2012 - 02:28 .

[golyoscsapagy]

Obviously the drawback is the effective range but damage-wise it's comes close to the widow.

Close?

You mean claymore does around 50% more damage per shot than a widow even with armor bonus and sniper infil bonus damage factored in. For extra fun you can try it with proxy mine debuff for the biggest lols (as you don't have to bother with ED since shotties won't bleed damage against shields)

[SgtGrumbles]

ZombiesNBacon wrote...

You can reliably get headshots, the largest damage multiplier in the game, with Snipers, you can't do the same with Shotguns (reliably). /endthread

Yeah, and with a GPS you can two shot brutes on gold from any distance as long as you use an amp 3.  Can't do that with any of the snipers.  I have a BW 3 and can't two shot brutes.

[ShadowOfZara]

Cyonan wrote...

You can have my Sniper Rifle when you pull it from my cold dead hands =P

Which probably wont happen since i'll just turn invisible and run away long before you and your shotgun get within firing distance of me.

This

[A Wild Snorlax]

RuffScruffGamer wrote...

yep I tried it and it works well.

A Wild Snorlax wrote...

has anyone tried a claymore infiltrator on gold? It's great on silver but I haven't tried it on gold yet.... my claymore level is X and I have maxed all the mods for shotguns. I usually don't host the games so the gps is not that great for me due to lag.

Yeah I tried it as well for one game, it was beast and i scored over 150k points even though we got wiped at round 9 ;(
Was against geth though, you tried it against cerberus? saw a video of a guy soloing gold with a claymore in the demo, however it looked like he had some major trouble killing phantoms with it.

[aimlessgun]

A Wild Snorlax wrote...


Yeah I tried it as well for one game, it was beast and i scored over 150k points even though we got wiped at round 9 ;(
Was against geth though, you tried it against cerberus? saw a video of a guy soloing gold with a claymore in the demo, however it looked like he had some major trouble killing phantoms with it.

Hmm if Claymore isn't good at Phantoms that a big point in favor of GPS. GPS can pretty much instakill Phantoms at long range (due to tracking projectiles). You hit the Phantom with a power and they'll invariably stop moving and go into their "power blocking" stance. Then charged shot followed instantly by followup shot and they are dead. 

I have to admit that the projectile speed on the GPS is annoying as hell though. 

Modifié par aimlessgun, 27 mars 2012 - 03:52 .

[BrotherCorvid]

ZombiesNBacon wrote...

You can reliably get headshots, the largest damage multiplier in the game, with Snipers, you can't do the same with Shotguns (reliably). /endthread

I get mailslot hits with the Graal Spike Thrower on guardians pretty regularly.

[Barfwak]

GPS is definitely pretty cool, but I like the defensive playstyle that single shot rifles employ.  The graal... is pretty much useless if you're not the host.  Even if you are the host it's still pretty bad.

I got on a streak of good luck with my unlocks and got up to a Widow X (finally!), so unless I get something really mouth-watering it's going to be hard to break out of that style.  =P

[themaxzero]

Had a go with the GPS, hated it. With Australian lag too many shoots go through your target without doing damage.

[SuperADJ]

Second proper go last night against Reapers on Silver, and tbh I wasn't impressed. The hit-and-run mechanic was fun for a while but when 2 teammates went down during a hack on Wave 6 I needed to step up and spend more time killing and less time retreating to a safe place to deactivate my cloak/re-charge. I fared pretty badly in CQC when there were multiple enemies, I was able to kill a couple but took too much damage for it to work well.

I'm not really sure how people are scoring 200k+ with this playstyle. I appreciate my GPS is only at level 3, but I suspect the jump in difficulty to Gold would roughly equate to a jump in weapon power to level 10. In the same situation (lots of enemies converged on the hack objective, 1 other teammate and time becoming an issue) I honestly think a Widow etc would have been preferable.

I can see the damage potential, but on Gold you need to worry about damage mitigation just as much. If you're vulnerable while you're doing your damage chances are you're not particularly efficient. And unless you want to restrict yourself to one shot a GPS infiltrator is always going to be in a vulnerable position UNLESS you can take out all enemies who can draw a bead on you almost immediately.

Even when I was able to roam the field, I was still finding myself constantly out-scored by the SI Widows. It's just so much faster to fire a bullet across the map than to run and gun. Not that score is that important to me, but I like to be able to justify to the team why I'm running an unorthodox class and at the moment it's not a very easy sell!

[X-Frame]

I've tried to use a Shotgun Infiltrator build on Gold and have gotten kicked twice. A lot of ignorant players out there that can't see beyond a sniper.

[SuperADJ]

X-Frame wrote...

I've tried to use a Shotgun Infiltrator build on Gold and have gotten kicked twice. A lot of ignorant players out there that can't see beyond a sniper.

Could you tell me a bit about your weapon of choice and your general strategy/role in your Gold games?  I really like this build but am struggling to justify it as I don't seem to be able to play a role that is beneficial enough to the team.