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[XOGHunter246]

Templers are just doing a job just like a warden does keeping order with the mages killing any that go astray unauthorized as mages are regarded as dangerous if allowed to go where they please. It just shows that mages are most feared then anything else due to them able to practice blood magic. They are more neutral imo not evil because without templers there would be hell and tons of blood mages around causing havoc.

[The Angry One]

Graegor sort of comes across as an irritating fanatic in the mage origin, later on you see his more dutiful side. He's calling for the annihilation of the tower because he sees no way out, but takes zero enjoyment from the prospect, and despite always arguing with Irving, he implicitly trusts him mage or no.

[Saurel]

The Angry One wrote...

Graegor sort of comes across as an irritating fanatic in the mage origin, later on you see his more dutiful side. He's calling for the annihilation of the tower because he sees no way out, but takes zero enjoyment from the prospect, and despite always arguing with Irving, he implicitly trusts him mage or no.

It is interesting, both Gregoir and to some extent Irving (that he wants to use Lily just to get back at the Chantry) seem like dicks in intro. But when **** actually hits the wall, they come to their senses and act like non-petty decent human beings.

[tigrina]

I don't remember exactly where I read it, but templars are usually sought out more on their unshakeable fate than actual 'righteousness', so I would expect more harsness towards mages (since the Chantry states that magic is a curse). Why as a mage you aren't frowned upon more often outside the tower is beyond me. It is not like you have 'Circle Mage' tattood on your forehead or something.

[XOGHunter246]

If he was really bad he would of killed me when i helped the blood mage

[Endurium]

cutieyum wrote...

Eamon is a 'bastard' for sending a defenseless boy to the Chantry to be raised and become a Templar, knowing full well that Maric's son would become a pawn of the Chantry, addicted to lyrium and with a chastity/obidience vow on him. Duncan's rescue/conscription of Allistair is a marginally better outcome for him.

Isolde was behind Eamon's decision, and I'm sure he didn't come to it lightly. That woman is responsible for many evils in this game, her resentment and consequent expulsion (through manipulating Eamon) of Alistair being the least. Alistair will tell you about it if you ask.

Her later stupidity of trying to hide Connor from the Chantry led to the near (or total) destruction of the village and castle staff. It also opened the door for Jowan (a blood mage) to poison Eamon. The Templars should have punished her for conspiring with a blood mage (just as they did Lily - who didn't know Jowan was a blood mage). The Arl should have had her executed for gross irresponsibility and indirectly causing mass murder.

Perhaps one way to explain the lack of RP around specs is that we're Grey Wardens, and thus we're above nearly every law. We even appoint kings, of all things. Truly an organization to be wary of.

Modifié par Endurium, 01 décembre 2009 - 11:48 .

[NarcissaArtois]

Playing as a mage I had a crush on Cullen...and then on Alistiar, because he reminded my PC of Cullen...talk about wanting what you can't have. *sigh*

[ReubenLiew]

I guess the Templars in this game were depicted sort of like the Knight Templars of Jerusalem. Most of them are pretty good guys on the personal level, but when you start desecrating their holy beliefs thats when sh** really hits the fan and they become monstrously callous individuals.

[Setz69]

I felt bad for the templars in this game. Instead of being your normal Top notch guard faction, where they do what they want when they want, they are essentially puppets on the chantry's strings. Great soldiers, good people, but forced to do what the chantry wants (through lyrium addiction)

[Riona45]

Saurel wrote...

Now I wasn't one the people who fell into the camp pre-game release of thinking Chantry/Templars= evil Mages= good and oppressed.

But after the PA comic and some commentary that it accurately represented them, I was kinda expecting them to be more cold blooded. And was a bit sad at this expectation.

Have to say I was pleasantly surprised to find they are generally the most decent individuals in the game whenever you come across them. Anyone else? Or am I the only one?

I'm not going to agree that they are "generally the most decent individuals in the game," but yeah, most of the Templars that I've met so far have been courteous.  Of course, being courteous to someone's face doesn't make one a good person, but I think it usually shows a lack of vitriolic hatred as well.

[Riona45]

Saurel wrote...


Hmm I'll have to play-through other areas as a mage. Do you  get a lot of bias outside of the circle?

I'm playing as a mage, and so far...nope! 

Don't take that to mean I think they're *all* great and have no problems with their institution whatsoever--far from it.  It's just that the idea that "templars and mages just hate each other!" is inaccurate in this game.

[Riona45]

Recidiva wrote...

I have respect for the templars and I particularly think Cullen, Gregoir and Alistair are excellent models for what might be considered their best.

Alistair is not and never was a true templar.  I like Cullen as a character, but as a model for templars at their best?  Probably not with his PTSD thanks to the physical and psychological torture he endured from the blood mages.

I've given Greigor some verbal abuse, but overall I agree with Wynne that he is "not unreasonable."   I'm not ready to agree that he's a MODEL templar, but he could be worse.

Modifié par Riona45, 01 décembre 2009 - 11:49 .

[SnakeStrike8]

Y'know, I was going to start a topic just like this one...

But yes, I was quite pleasantly surprised by how decent the templars were. All the pre-game material made them sound like fanatics with a 'get-out-of-jail-free' card, but it's nice to see that the game proved me wrong. They're not all such bad guys, everything considered.

And on that note, let me add that the PA comic on the old site was BS. It made the tempalrs look like idiots! What fool goes after a Witch of the Wilds with four men and no intelligence? Why not hire some Chasind mercs to find and fix the enemy's location and then bring down a legion on those damned apostates?

[Cpl_Facehugger]

ComTrav wrote...

At the other end of the extreme from Tevinter we have the Qunari way of dealing with mages, which makes the Templar look downright humane.

I've not heard about this. Could you elaborate? I'm curious. 

[ReubenLiew]

They cut out the tongues of their mages to prevent them from doing magic.

[Riona45]

SnakeStrike8 wrote...
And on that note, let me add that the PA comic on the old site was BS. It made the tempalrs look like idiots! What fool goes after a Witch of the Wilds with four men and no intelligence?

Someone who thinks all he really needs is his faith and his god on his side, which would probably describe that templar in the comic pretty accurately.

[ReubenLiew]

Morrigan mentions that templars would sometimes come and hunt Flemeth and herself, the comic might've been the latest instance of it happening.



Plus they weren't going after the Witch of the Wilds, they were just hunting a normal witch, which wasn't a witch, apparently.

[SnakeStrike8]

Riona45 wrote...

SnakeStrike8 wrote...
And on that note, let me add that the PA comic on the old site was BS. It made the tempalrs look like idiots! What fool goes after a Witch of the Wilds with four men and no intelligence?

Someone who thinks all he really needs is his faith and his god on his side, which would probably describe that templar in the comic pretty accurately.

Tsk. You'd think he'd learn after fifteen or more of his buddies vanished forever following that apostate:?

[SnakeStrike8]

Riona45 wrote...

SnakeStrike8 wrote...
And on that note, let me add that the PA comic on the old site was BS. It made the tempalrs look like idiots! What fool goes after a Witch of the Wilds with four men and no intelligence?

Someone who thinks all he really needs is his faith and his god on his side, which would probably describe that templar in the comic pretty accurately.

Tsk. You'd think he'd learn after fifteen or more of his buddies vanished following that apostate...

[Lotion Soronarr]

The PA comic is not cannon. Aynone uising anything from that comic as an argument allready lost any debate.



I like how templars are portrayed in the game. Like real people. It kinda makes sense.

Think about it - the templars watch over the circle mages almost constantly. They watch them grow and learn. Tehy spend years with them. To expect outright hatered makes little sense.



Even jailors form friendships with inmates over they years. For hte templars it's even moreso.



Just listen to Gregoirs voice when you ask him more in depth about the tower problem and possible survivors. He almsot breaks downs and cries. He's words are "It's..too painfull to hope for survivors and find none!"

Not surprising. He spent years watching over some of the kids in the circle. In a way, they are almsot like his own kids.



This gives some fresh perspective on the difficulty of being a tmplar. Look at it from Cullens perspective (if you're playing a female mage). He has a crush on you..but he may be force to cut you down.

Having to kill someone you known for so long...kinda makes oyu wonder if some templars take lyrium not for more powerfull abiltities, but to numb themselves on purpose.

[KnightofPhoenix]

The only Templar I genuinely liked is the blind one (forgot his name). The one that comes with you in the Alienage demon infested orphanage.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Pft..c'mon.



Gregoir is a badass. Best... templar..EVAR!! I want him in my party.

[Kerilus]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

The only Templar I genuinely liked is the blind one (forgot his name). The one that comes with you in the Alienage demon infested orphanage.

Ser Otto. Yes, a good person and a dedicated, yet not zealous templar. Too bad he has to die.

[Saurel]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

The PA comic is not cannon. Aynone uising anything from that comic as an argument allready lost any debate.
.

I didn't think of it as canon. It did feel like it was setting them up to be zealot monsters, especially since I feel like one of the devs said it pretty accurately depicted them. It wasn't Gaider or anyone like that...but still it set up the expectation.  (Didn't think it was canon or anything).

I thought Ser Bryant in Lothering was decent. and yes poor Ser Otto 

Gregoir is a dick in the initiation ritual... "The apprentice must do this alone"..... "Yes Gregoir I can't give the apprentice two seconds of advice before the go and meet their potential demise..."

He seems nice outside of that.

[frylock23]

What Lotion says became my perspective on the Templars, too. I started with a mage, and it was Cullen, of all people, who moved me past the preconceived idea that all Templars are just out to cut me down for being a mage. I went from being suspicious of Templars to thinking that maybe their lot in life isn't really any better than a mage's. We're both prisoners in different ways. They to the Chantry's lyrium, and we to the Chantry through them.



Funny how that didn't make me hate the Chantry though. I might have been less thrilled with them had the actual clerics I ran across been more ... sinister. But how do you dislike a group that generally deals with you fairly in their in-game interactions with you? At least, in my playthroughs, I haven't run across serious flack from anyone in the Chantry excepting that one time I couldn't convince the Mother in Lothering to release Sten and threatened her life if she didn't cough him up, but I can see where that would make a person a bit angry.