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[TheRealIncarnal]

Like any large organization, the Templars have quite a bit of variation amongst their ranks.



Some of them are like the ones in the comics, and I imagine those are more of the "Witch Hunters" of the group. However, as Alister says, the Templars are an army, and like any army the have a wide variety of positions. You can have the more fanatical mage haters hunt down the dangerous Apostates, while the more friendly and personable ones can work with the public.



It's a very interesting depth that they added to the game, which is something I appreciate about the whole game.

[Riona45]

frylock23 wrote...
Funny how that didn't make me hate the Chantry though. I might have been less thrilled with them had the actual clerics I ran across been more ... sinister. But how do you dislike a group that generally deals with you fairly in their in-game interactions with you? At least, in my playthroughs, I haven't run across serious flack from anyone in the Chantry excepting that one time I couldn't convince the Mother in Lothering to release Sten and threatened her life if she didn't cough him up, but I can see where that would make a person a bit angry.

You can dislike the motives and goals of an organization while still recognizing that individual members (especially ones that aren't that high on the totem pole) are decent, well-meaning, etc.

[Riona45]

anaea123 wrote...

I thought the Circle-Templar dynamic was one of the richest parts of the game, and something that definitely has a lot of depths to explore. The various roles the Templars play -- Lothering chantry guard, Circle Tower guards, apostate hunters, etc. -- are intriguing enough, for me at least, to make me keep coming back to the mage origin as my favorite. There's a real Orwellian "Shooting an Elephant" feel to the Templars, and that dynamic of dual captivity between them and the mages gives a flavor to the game that I miss in the other origins.

I agree, the dynamic you speak of is one of the reasons why I'm happy I made my first character a mage.

[Taleroth]

Riona45 wrote...

You can dislike the motives and goals of an organization while still recognizing that individual members (especially ones that aren't that high on the totem pole) are decent, well-meaning, etc.

It's quite easy.  I should know, I hate everyone!

[Korva]

Saurel wrote...

Well I think the fear I had was that they were gonna completely villain-ize the Chantry and the Templars. Y'know since Organized Religion is a relatively easy target (and I'm saying this as a non-christian).

So I found it a bit refreshing they didn't resort to that.

Atheist here, and I agree. Vilification of (organized) religion in fictional settings is a too-common knee-jerk thing IMO, and one I always find extremely aggravating because it's so overdone and stereotypical. So I was very happy that the Chantry sisters and the Templar are, for the most part, perfectly normal or even very likeable people. Gregoir (I agree with the poster who said he almost seems to be in tears over the losses in the tower) and Ser Otto for example -- though it does help they are both voiced by the same guy who did Master Zhar in KotOR, a character I really like.

The lyrium thing is ... nasty, though. Definitely a big black spot on the Chantry resumé, for more than one reason. I also don't like the celibacy thing for the priesthood, it's too "Catholic" and invites drama-llamaing.

Two things I've been wondering about: do Templar have to swear celibacy, too, or are they just not allowed to have families? And can women become Templar or is it a boys-only club to balance the (outside Tevinter) all-female priesthood?

[Lotion Soronarr]

Methinks women can become Templar too..



Regarding celibacy - I don' think it's actually practiced. I recall a long time ago David mentioning that the Chantry places no restriction on the priests. Now, some specific orders or sub-groups might put such restriction. Like the Chanters, who restrict themselves willignly.

[DarkSpiral]

Lore does not specify that Templars are men only...however I can't recall a single woman in all the Templars I ran across, whether as opponents or otherwise.



It is inferred that Templars live chaste, though it isn't stated outright. That desire Demon encounter in the Tower of Magi is the only time the topic comes up.



Well...actually now that I think of it, if the Templars are chaste, it puts a different spin on Alistair being a virgin. The opportunity not only never came around, he wasn't allowed to take advantage of it, if it had.

[menasure]

templars and decency... mm strange to think of them that way.

how nice of them is it really to bandage wounded mages before they get executed?

oh well if it is not simply a writers bug then it might be because they are lyrium addicts and their judgment might be one big lyrium cloud because of that lol

[ChemicalGreen]

As stated earlier, if you play female mage origin (not tried as human female, just elf) Cullen has major, major crush on you. After you wake up from the Harrowing and are done talking to Jowan, you can hear two apprentices gossiping about you and Cullen. First one tells how Cullen praised your Harrowing as cleanest and fastest ever, and how brave you were, to which the Apprentice2 snidely retorts "Well, he would, wouldn't he?". If you then go and talk to Cullen and pick the right dialogue options and suggest that you go somewhere more private to "talk".... he stutters about it being inappropriate and flees the scene, running.

But he's not all cuddles, kittens and rainbows... On my (male) mage playthrough, I decided to be a real jerk and basically killed everything that was "good"... or even reasonable. Killed all the mages in the Tower (including Wynne and her companions) as per request of Greagoir+Cullen. In the subsequent epilogue scene after I had saved all of Ferelden from Blight, it's stated that Cullen snaps, goes insane and kills 3 (?) apprentices before he is subdued.