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[RunicDragons]

babelcarlota wrote...

Where are my rainbows and ponies!? You tricked me!

[Zkyire]

In honour of this thread; I'm changing my display pic to a pony.

[htewing]

thehomeworld wrote...

I agree OP but now adays the trend is hero dying is uber cool he can't be happy. Even if shep + LI live together they've lost tons already no one's throwing a party.

And a lot of people are getting really tired of this new trend. Really tired. Because we're living in a crapsack world and we want happy endings, not angsty endings.

But yeah, TRUE ART IS ANGSTY, lolz. 

[Dominator24]

So true OP

[Red Dust]

sistersafetypin wrote...

Hashbeth wrote...

Because art is cut and dry! Rainbows and Ponies or Violence and death.
Duh OP. ^ww^

And wouldn't Rainbows describe the current ending, anyway?

No, Rainbows have more than three colors.

[Baronesa]

so true... so very true

[Toalhinha]

I don't know if you guys ever watched a movie called Irreversible (it's a french movie). It's completely violent and dark, actually one of the most violent movies I've ever seen. And it STILL ends on a brighter, more meaningful tone than ME3. This is nonsene.
I like LOTR and Fight Club, but I don't read the former waiting for some twist/gritty ending and the latter to picture elves and orcs on an epic battle.
The author must be aware of his themes and maintain them throughout his work.
If ME1 and 2 were grim and nihilistic, I wouldn't have a problem with the ending as it is. (aside from the plotholes)

[Ruari]

MarraShep wrote...

thehomeworld wrote...

I agree OP but now adays the trend is hero dying is uber cool he can't be happy. Even if shep + LI live together they've lost tons already no one's throwing a party.

And a lot of people are getting really tired of this new trend. Really tired. Because we're living in a crapsack world and we want happy endings, not angsty endings.

But yeah, TRUE ART IS ANGSTY, lolz. 

*Sigh* I question how in touch with its fanbase Bioware is when it comes to things like that. We're in some of the worst times in (many) of our lives. If it's not the wars it's the economy, or s**t even stupid crap like sports teams sucking all the time. Who looked at the world and said "you know what they need...more sad stories." Maybe Sid Meier was right and we should just play sandbox games that let us make our own stories. At least then I won't have to worry about when playing Civilization I get scolded for wanting my people to win.

[GeoFukari]

This one would like Rainbows and Ponies. But then this one already has these each Saturday.

Still, this one sees the point you are making, but wishes to remind you of the even darker Renagade path.

[nonpromqueen]

Because we're entitled fanboys.

</sarcasm>

[bkp360]

compared to what I got. I'll go with rainbows and baby seals.

[Grasich]

nevar00 wrote...

Why an ending where Shepard lives and reunites with crew/ LI would be considered "rainbows and ponies" or a "Disney" ending?

Because people are stupid.

I don't usually like to use this kind of thing as an argument... but honestly I completely fail to see how anyone could think of ANY ending after all the death and destruction that happened throughout the game as being "Disney" happy with rainbows and unicorns.

I want Shep and my LI to live in peace together after the whole mess.
Tens of billions or more STILL DIED. That does not constitute rainbows and ponies.

Even if you take the message of the game to be sacrifice, Shepard and his crew are an incredibly TINY fraction of the number of people engaged in this war, so there is no reason that if they live it suddenly degrades the Reaper threat.

So... yes... because people are stupid.

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

I disagree, OP. I want ponies. In fact, I'm adopting this as my canon ending:

[Randalf84]

OP - you forgot everyone on the citadel. They're all dead too. And all the people Cerberus performed experiments on.

Glad the galaxy is ****ed and the crew is stranded or I wouldn't have appreciated the cost of this war!

[CGramn]

Well, judging from what Bioware's been saying in interviews and their Final Hours statements, The Lord of The Rings is apparently a story that fails to survive modern storytelling because (SPOILER ALERT?) Frodo doesn't jump into the fires of Mount Doom with the ring, and doesn't send the civilizations of Middle Earth into the stone ages.

The fact that they honestly believed there was only one single way the story of Shepard could end, and the ridiculousness of how they ultimately decided it should end, paints them as deeply cynical towards conventional storytelling, as well as the themes they'd established throughout the previous games.

I've said this in other posts, but the amount of sacrifices Shepard and everyone else in the Galaxy as a whole has made, depending somewhat on your decisions, should be enough to warrant a positive ending as an alternative.

Wanting a positive ending based on the choices we've made throughout 3 games is not a childish notion, the notion that everything has to end in destruction and despair because someone thinks it's "edgy" or contemporary is.

[CDHarrisUSF]

I support the option of a "happy" (or at least as happy as is possible given the context) ending if the player is willing to put the work in that would be necessary to achieve it.

Modifié par CDHarrisUSF, 25 mars 2012 - 03:11 .

[Grasich]

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

I disagree, OP. I want ponies. In fact, I'm adopting this as my canon ending:

lol This is awesome.

[Blind2Society]

HKR148 wrote...

http://browse.devian...effect#/d4rz25k

I lol'd hard at that. "Hatred detected. Fire the orbital friendship canon."

[Gotthammer666]

If I wanted grim and gritty I'd deal with real life.

Where's the option for Shepard to really triumph and get to enjoy it?

[Reptilian Rob]

Ares14916 wrote...

* initiate sarcastic straw-man mode *

TRUE ART IS ANGSTY!!!!!!!!

And if you don't agree you are a ***ing philistine who doesn't know how reality REALLY AND SHOULD work!!!!

*end straw man mode*

Seriously though...the above...any modicum of happiness/positive emotion from the outcome somehow renders things == disney in the eyes of the modern hipster artistic nihilist. Apparently this IS a thing nowadays. See famous sci-fi writer complaint:

http://www.smithsoni...essimistic.html 

QFT.

[Pee Jae]

CGramn wrote...

Well, judging from what Bioware's been saying in interviews and their Final Hours statements, The Lord of The Rings is apparently a story that fails to survive modern storytelling because (SPOILER ALERT?) Frodo doesn't jump into the fires of Mount Doom with the ring, and doesn't send the civilizations of Middle Earth into the stone ages.

The fact that they honestly believed there was only one single way the story of Shepard could end, and the ridiculousness of how they ultimately decided it should end, paints them as deeply cynical towards conventional storytelling, as well as the themes they'd established throughout the previous games.

I've said this in other posts, but the amount of sacrifices Shepard and everyone else in the Galaxy as a whole has made, depending somewhat on your decisions, should be enough to warrant a positive ending as an alternative.

Wanting a positive ending based on the choices we've made throughout 3 games is not a childish notion, the notion that everything has to end in destruction and despair because someone thinks it's "edgy" or contemporary is.

/thread

[Chernaya]

"Rainbows and Ponies" is no more cliche than the also overused "Tragic Dark Sacrifice" ending, imo.

I'd rather go for something in between ~

[Grasich]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Ares14916 wrote...

* initiate sarcastic straw-man mode *

TRUE ART IS ANGSTY!!!!!!!!

And if you don't agree you are a ***ing philistine who doesn't know how reality REALLY AND SHOULD work!!!!

*end straw man mode*

Seriously though...the above...any modicum of happiness/positive emotion from the outcome somehow renders things == disney in the eyes of the modern hipster artistic nihilist. Apparently this IS a thing nowadays. See famous sci-fi writer complaint:

http://www.smithsoni...essimistic.html 

QFT.

So true. Mass Effect is(*Cough* "was") one of the few series that looked at the future with hope.

Now, I can understand that most of ME3 was really dark, in fact I liked that simply because it would have added to the feeling of triumph at the end. Except... wait... the ending was even darker and more apocalyptic...


yay...?

[Toalhinha]

CDHarrisUSF wrote...

I support the option of a "happy" (or at least as happy as is possible given the context) ending if the player is willing to put the work in that would be necessary to achieve it.

Yeah, I mean. Some people always pictured their Shepard as some kind of tragic hero,
I get that.
But I always pictured mine as epic. So why can't both have their endings? I mean, to have the OPTION for a somewhat less sad ending suddenly makes the game childish "E for Everyone"?!

[bkp360]

The 'Star Child' is without a doubt the most over used trope/avatar of the last 50 years.

the child who speaks with wisdom beyond his years
the cherub who knows more than all the adults
the kid who pulls at our heart strings because boo hoo we can't save him

so trite and smarmy and pedantic. who ever thought they were being so amazing and creative and 'artistic' was living in their own self indoctrinated state I assure you.