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[ediskrad327]

nevar00 wrote...

Why an ending where Shepard lives and reunites with crew/ LI would be considered "rainbows and ponies" or a "Disney" ending?

Because people are stupid.

agree

Modifié par ediskrad327, 25 mars 2012 - 04:23 .

[SamFlagg]

[mikelope]

Grasich wrote...

Remember, though, that this is a choice based video game. It is completely possible to make multiple endings to satisfy everyone whether you want a "happy" ending, a tragic ending, a grim-dark ending, or even a loss.

Just because I want a "happy" end, and you want a darker ending doesn't mean we couldn't have both gotten what we wanted.

Yes. But you seem have the misconception that I want the bittersweet ending just because I want a bittersweet ending. What I want is that all endings are plausible and logical. If it's a hard-fought war on Earth, casualties are inevitable.

If ME3 wants escapism, I'll gladly accept that. But the story would not be as satisfying to me.

Added: And I want my Shep and Kaidan running happily in the meadow, kissing while the sun sets too. It's just seems more likely they'll be rummaging through debris, accounting and burying the dead.

Modifié par mikelope, 25 mars 2012 - 04:27 .

[Exolyps]

It's like losing your parents in a car accident and getting a raise on
the same day, and people start calling you "Lucky". That makes no sense.

I'd rather put it like "It's like surviving a car accident but your parents died in it". I don't see that being rainbow and ponnies.

[parrmi22]

I had assumed that there would be an ending with butterflies and rainbows, maybe some skipping. I also assumed it would be nearly IMPOSSIBLE to achieve. I thought I'd have to do some crazy John McClane stuff, build a time machine, arm-wrestle Harbinger, take down Nixon . . . but I assumed it would be POSSIBLE.

Boo.

[NReed106]

Because the ONLY death that matters is Shep's as he is the character avatar.

I agree that there was a bittersweet ending even if shep survived and didn't cause a galactic dark age, unfortunately we need the inferred holocaust for some reason *shrug*

Modifié par NReed106, 25 mars 2012 - 04:27 .

[LPPrince]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

TheBlackBaron wrote...



This is the only instance of rainbows and ponies I want to see in Mass Effect.

You rang?

Not good enough, Prince. I won't rest until Bioware alters the endings to have Shepard on the Normandy when it crashes on Equestria, and Joker gets the coordinates for it because Rainbow Dash is a romanceable squad mate. 

Now this thread is getting weird.

[Ares14916]

mikelope wrote...

Grasich wrote...

Remember, though, that this is a choice based video game. It is completely possible to make multiple endings to satisfy everyone whether you want a "happy" ending, a tragic ending, a grim-dark ending, or even a loss.

Just because I want a "happy" end, and you want a darker ending doesn't mean we couldn't have both gotten what we wanted.

Yes. But you seem have the misconception that I want the bittersweet ending just because I want a bittersweet ending. What I want is that all endings are plausible and logical. If it's a hard-fought war on Earth, casualties are inevitable.

If ME3 wants escapism, I'll gladly accept that. But the story would not be as satisfying to me.

That's a whole other beef, but I see the two intertwined often (that is, endings are bad due to tone/theme and endings are bad due to just not making any sense). I'm definitely in both camps, but I was talking about only the first idea before (i.e. going after the people who just want dark endings, which I've seen on the forums, thinking it's the only way to end ME). 

I think what would have worked best is fine, just cop to using the Cruicble as the savior superweapon macguffin of ME3, but not an overwhelmingly powerful one. Then activating it, combined with how many forces you were able to muster, dictates the whole spectrum of either losing to the reapers, winning but scortching earth with high casualties, etc. all the way to, given the circumstances, a decent victory. Everyone gets their outcomes of choice, with a minimum of plot holes. Along with a decent epilogue. 

What bothers me is that broad ideas like what I just outlined are SIMPLER than bringing in starchild and the RBG choices...adding more layers of complexity onto a story at the VERY end rarely works out well...

Modifié par Ares14916, 25 mars 2012 - 04:30 .

[Grasich]

mikelope wrote...


Yes. But you seem have the misconception that I want the bittersweet ending just because I want a bittersweet ending. What I want is that all endings are plausible and logical. If it's a hard-fought war on Earth, casualties are inevitable.

If ME3 wants escapism, I'll gladly accept that. But the story would not be as satisfying to me.

Added: And I want my Shep and Kaidan running happily in the meadow, kissing while the sun sets too. It's just seems more likely they'll be rummaging through debris, accounting and burying the dead.

I wanted a bittersweet ending. As in, an ending that is both bitter, and sweet. This abomination we have right now is a whole lot of bitter, with an attempt to sweeten it just ending up being salt instead of sugar.

I wanted the option to have Shepard and you LI live in peace afterwards, but only at the cost of sacrificing something or someone to achieve it.

Basically what I was hoping for was something like how DA:O did the ending. I see no one saying DA:O had a "Butterflies and rainbows" ending.

[TheBlackBaron]

LPPrince wrote...

TheBlackBaron wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

You rang?

Not good enough, Prince. I won't rest until Bioware alters the endings to have Shepard on the Normandy when it crashes on Equestria, and Joker gets the coordinates for it because Rainbow Dash is a romanceable squad mate. 

Now this thread is getting weird.

Mission accomplished. 

[Toalhinha]

mikelope wrote...

Grasich wrote...

Remember, though, that this is a choice based video game. It is completely possible to make multiple endings to satisfy everyone whether you want a "happy" ending, a tragic ending, a grim-dark ending, or even a loss.

Just because I want a "happy" end, and you want a darker ending doesn't mean we couldn't have both gotten what we wanted.

Yes. But you seem have the misconception that I want the bittersweet ending just because I want a bittersweet ending. What I want is that all endings are plausible and logical. If it's a hard-fought war on Earth, casualties are inevitable.

If ME3 wants escapism, I'll gladly accept that. But the story would not be as satisfying to me.

So Shepard can ressurect from being spaced and spend 2 years in a table becoming the Frankenstein of the Future...but he can't survive the last battle, because THAT'S implausible?

The casualties I already cited in my first post, that's the whole point of the argument...there were already enough sacrifices and casualties to make ANY ending "bittersweet" in nature.

And what I want is the OPTION for a "happy" ending where Shep lives and reunites with crew/LI. I don't want it to be the ONLY option.
Like I said, I get that some people saw Shepard as tragic hero, but I (and many others) saw Shepard as an epic hero.
And this game is (was) about choice, so people who wanted tragic or epic endings could have them both on ME1 and ME2, I can't see why we shouldn't be presented with choices on ME3. (and I mean REAL choices, not the R/G/B choice, that's something my TV remote does to adjust the colors.)

[Legbiter]

Never mind a "happy" ending, I don't know whether my Shepard blew up the galaxy or not.

[RunicDragons]

TheBlackBaron wrote...



This is the only instance of rainbows and ponies I want to see in Mass Effect.

I saw the title of the thread and expected this. Thanks for providing! 

Anyways, Shepard killing Reapers while riding Rainbow Dash? Yes please! 

Modifié par RunicDragons, 25 mars 2012 - 04:55 .

[Wolven_Soul]

So your another of those people who think that everyone who disliked the endings do so because we want a happy ending?  Wrong.  Would I like a happy ending?  Sure.  But I would happily accept an ending where Shepherd dies to save the galaxy as long as it makes sense and is better than the one that we got.  I expected Shephered to die.

[Grasich]

Wolven_Soul wrote...

So your another of those people who think that everyone who disliked the endings do so because we want a happy ending?  Wrong.  Would I like a happy ending?  Sure.  But I would happily accept an ending where Shepherd dies to save the galaxy as long as it makes sense and is better than the one that we got.  I expected Shephered to die.

You seem to have misunderstood the OP. Please re-read.

[alx119]

SamFlagg wrote...

LMFAO THATS SAD, Poor Fluttershy. 

[mikelope]

Grasich wrote...

I wanted a bittersweet ending. As in, an ending that is both bitter, and sweet. This abomination we have right now is a whole lot of bitter, with an attempt to sweeten it just ending up being salt instead of sugar.

I wanted the option to have Shepard and you LI live in peace afterwards, but only at the cost of sacrificing something or someone to achieve it.

Basically what I was hoping for was something like how DA:O did the ending. I see no one saying DA:O had a "Butterflies and rainbows" ending.

My stance on this is actually starting to mellow. Maybe you guys are beginning to win me over (though not completely). Maybe I'll meet you halfway: No rainbows, no ponies. How about an emaciated puppy that survived in the rubble?

[Grasich]

mikelope wrote...

Grasich wrote...

I wanted a bittersweet ending. As in, an ending that is both bitter, and sweet. This abomination we have right now is a whole lot of bitter, with an attempt to sweeten it just ending up being salt instead of sugar.

I wanted the option to have Shepard and you LI live in peace afterwards, but only at the cost of sacrificing something or someone to achieve it.

Basically what I was hoping for was something like how DA:O did the ending. I see no one saying DA:O had a "Butterflies and rainbows" ending.

My stance on this is actually starting to mellow. Maybe you guys are beginning to win me over (though not completely). Maybe I'll meet you halfway: No rainbows, no ponies. How about an emaciated puppy that survived in the rubble?

That sounds fine by me.

[Naqey]

you should add jokers dead sister hilary. I´m pretty sure the hilary the asari huntress on the citadel (the one in the hospital) is talking about is jokers sister.

[MattFini]

There would be NOTHING wrong with a Star Wars or ROTJ-style ending.

Nothing at all.

[Edrick1976]

Whats wrong with a happy ending????

[MakeMineMako]

nicksmi56 wrote...

Cause people are into stupid cliches and generally subscribe to a mob mentality that dark = good

Usually emo types who like to cut on themselves.


I guess that this is the "broader audience" Bioware was attempting to appeal to, instead of the Call of Duty/Halo crowd. <_<

[VigilancePress]

I expected a hard fight, but I also expected to walk off with my love interest at the end. A cutscene to 20 years down the line, showing the family standing together and looking out to the stars would have been SO much more satisfying than some unknown and untrustworthy narrator telling a story to a child.

The previous games taught me that if I persevered, I could snatch victory from the jaws of defeat. This game... pulled an unfair switch.

[Avissel]

VigilancePress wrote...
The previous games taught me that if I persevered, I could snatch victory from the jaws of defeat. This game... pulled an unfair switch.

Pretty much this, that was the entire point of ME2. "Work Hard towards the best out come, get the best out come"

ME3...you can skip alot of the stuff and still get "The best ending"

So whats the point of that extra effort? If the game tells you, and even has a system to reflect, your effort then that effort should have a pay off.