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[Nepp]

Yeah, thats the only use I get out of DA2. A coaster. A gudamned coaster.

CD Projekt Red knows the value of fans. Bioware should take lessons from them. They won't, but they should.

[twincast]

learie wrote...

I'm seeing the connection between ME3 and DA:Kirkwall: I think DA:K was the beta for ME3.
-default head for fem Shep/Hawke that you can't change
-have to sit all through intro before reloading to change the head you tried to make
-all the heads you try to make are tremendously ugly
-all maps have corridors to a set destination, no exploration
-the buttons for awesomeness
-radial menu for dialogue
-voiced protagonist
-4 conversations with your companions and LI
-waves of enemies

This makes me suspect that DA:3 is going to be exactly the same as DA:Kirkwall, only the default head won't have fluoro eyes, the second and third wave of enemy won't drop out of the sky, and you will get some choices that influence the immediate story. Yay.

I wondered why the story of ME2 &3 changed from "find The Conduit!" to "complete all these loyalty missions" and "collect all this stuff" but the posters above have solved that for me: it's how CoD works.

Pre-order? Probably won't buy it or any other Bioware product. But they won't mind- their market is shooter players.

What the hell?!

As much as I hate most of DA2 and ME3's nonsensical joke of an ending, that theory of yours is just utterly retarded.

DA2 was DA getting ME(2)-ified to a certain degree, never the other way 'round in any way, shape or form.

[FAButzke]

No it won't. Because people are stupid and will buy it no matter what just to "see if they actually listened this time".

COD anyone?

[matty_s]

Nahhh, Dragon age 2 destroyed my dragon age 3 preorder.

[twincast]

Paulinius wrote...

Oh, and the continued casualization of their games. But they do want Call of Duty's audience. Too bad that CoD's audience doesn't care about BioWare games since CoD does what CoD does best. Bonus: they get to alienate their loyal fans. Lose-lose situation.

Ah, I've been (sporadically) trying to find this article again for months; thanks!

[abaris]

twincast wrote...

DA2 was DA getting ME(2)-ified to a certain degree, never the other way 'round in any way, shape or form.

Maybe, but in a very bad way.

I never came even close to that level of utter and total disgust with ME2 as I reached when trying the DAII demo. As opposed to ME2 buying the game was totally out of the question after a few minutes, terminated by the alt/strg/enter magic.

[jason9880]

matty_s wrote...

Nahhh, Dragon age 2 destroyed my dragon age 3 preorder.

me too

[ryuson2000]

I wasn't even aware they would make DA3 cuz the 2nd did so bad lol

[withneelandi]

Yeh, I was very disapointed by Dragon Age 2, the Legacy DLC was a slight step in the right direction, but I was very unhappy with the idea of only having one real outcome regardless of the choices made by the player, it seemed to defeat the entire purpose of a playing a bioware game.

I gave Mass Effect 3 the benefit of the doubt and actually really enjoyed the bulk of the game, only to get to the end and find that effectively the outcome was more or less pre-determined regadless of the choices made through the game, galactic readyness, war assets. I was very disapointed, part of the joy of bioware games is seeing how your choices play out. Let me be clear that my issue is not actually the content of the ending, but the fact that it wasn't determined by player choices in any meaningful way. They could have had a "reaper win" ending if the players choices were somehow reflected in the aftermath of that win.

Had Me3 delivered what I expected I would probably have pre-ordered the next big bioware game, regardless of wether it was da3 or something else, as it stands I will be very, very cautious about spending money on future games from bioware. Mass Effect 3 managed the impressive feat of not only having limited replay value but in reducing the replay value of the games that came before. Whats the point of playing through the games making different choices if the end point is essentialy the same.

I suspect I'm not the only person in that frame of mind.

[BadgerladDK]

Not a huge fan of the fantasy setting in the first place, but bought DA and DA2 based on Bioware's work with ME and KOTOR. Actually managed to enjoy DA2 for what it was, though it wasn't as stellar as I'd come to expect. For the time being, I'll not be preordering DA3 or any other Bioware title, or most likely buying them at all. If they fix the ME3 ending in a satisfactory way, though, the only Bioware title I won't be interested in is Generals 2, as I don't do RTS.

[AkiKishi]

ryuson2000 wrote...

I wasn't even aware they would make DA3 cuz the 2nd did so bad lol

They don't have a whole lot else in the stable.

1. Mass Effect.
2. Dragon Age
3. Jade Empire

[Kondorr]

All I know is that I will not preorder any other BW game....

[What a Succulent Ass]

I believe DAII already did a handy job of that.

[Drimberly]

It has for me..Unless Bioware do somthing spectacular..

[MrCorvin]

I will probably still preorder DA3... While I really didn't care for the ending in DA2, I felt it was just a stepping stone for 3.

[Sith_exar_kun]

Brockololly wrote...

Dragon Age 2 destroyed Dragon Age 3 preorders all on its own

This.

[Sneaky Monkey]

Brockololly wrote...

Dragon Age 2 destroyed Dragon Age 3 preorders all on its own

That's a bingo.

[What a Succulent Ass]

jollyorigins wrote...

-"Skyrim was such a good influence (pfft), we're gonna look at how to make combat more boring and the story even more bland and uninteresting this time."

I really wish that BioWare would stick to its strengths instead of pulling elements from various games and cobbling them together to "appeal to a wider audience." There's a reason why the phrase "jack of all trades, master of none" exists. DA:O was great because it proved that there is still a market for old-style RPGs, and well, hell, it was a fun game. DAII was a disaster largely because it deviated from the expected formula, and not in a way that improved the game (well, that and its fanfic-esque characters and bad writing). There is literally nothing that BioWare should imitate from Skyrim. Bethesda games have always been more about expansive worlds and exploration at the cost of story and character development. I doubt TES veterans bought Skyrim with "plot" being high on their lists (hell, I've had the game since November, and I still haven't finished the main campaign). BioWare games are the diametric opposite. I expect a decent story with interesting characters and dialogue, even if that means the environment is slightly repetitious. You can't have both. Try to appeal to too many niches and you end up in an empty room.

[catofnine]

No, and I might be one of the few who did not absolutely haaaet DA2. Even if BW releases free dlc for ME3 and tries to patch up the ending, their credibility as content creators and as a business is shot with me.

Modifié par catofnine, 26 mars 2012 - 04:29 .

[AnubisOnly]

Well, I will not buy ANY BioWare game again, too many times in one year bw is making ''marketing'' games like DA2, ME3 and what now bw???

[dekkerd]

matty_s wrote...

Nahhh, Dragon age 2 destroyed my dragon age 3 preorder.

Yep. It will be gameflyed. 

[Ithayiga]

Having purchased a lot of Bioware games, I have to chime in a little bit.

I played, Shattered Steel, Baldur's Gate, SW: KoTOR, NWN, ME, DA.

I only pre-ordered Mass Effect 3, personally. Everything else I've bought, I've bought when it was on sale or pre-owned.

Quite frankly, Dragon Age disappointed me. The darkspawn story was too similar to other more recent tales having been told in pop culture, and honestly the combat and game play mechanics, and dialogue mechanics felt recycled to me.

You had your typical bioware pick from 3 classes deal. Everything felt formulaic, so when DA 2 came out, and a friend told me it was terrible, I didn't touch it with a ten foot pole.

Even now, when I see DA 2 sitting in the cheap rack at Wal-Mart, I scoff and pass by. My time's too precious to be wasted.

[Erixxxx]

There are still plenty of people who will pre-order, just wait and see.

[efrgfhnm_]

DA2 will damage DA3's pre-orders, but will not in anyw ay "destroy" them.
ME3 will have even less effect, in the same way that DA2 didn't hurt ME3's pre-orders.