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[Jaron Oberyn]

I think DA2 already did that job OP. but ME3 might have made it worse, sure.

-Polite

[gmboy902]

Whatever Dragon Age 3 preorders there will be, you mean?

Probably. People call it a vocal minority, but in reality even if it is a minority, the people who are complaining are the people who are devoted to BioWare and the people who do preorders.

[ReshyShira]

Dragon Age 2's abysmal quality next to origins is what I believe will destroy pre-orders. Along with their comment that they won't be undoing all of the mess they did with Dragon Age II.

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

DA2 did that on it's lonesome, however with how dishonest the marketing was with ME3, and the obvious out cry at the half assed ending. It certainly isn't going to help DA3 preorders.

[DannieCraft]

I can only speak for myself, but I don't see how anything Mass Effect related would keep me from preordering or buying a Dragon Age game. I look at the individual game titles rather than purely at the BioWare stamp. 
As far as I can see, nothing can become better without having learned from past misstakes.

[Buffy-Summers]

Really depends on 2 factors

1. If they fix the ending

2. DA3 comes out any time soon.


If they dont fix the endings and DA3 comes out early next year then it could

If they do fix it or the game is still more then a year or away it shouldnt hurt them too badly

Unfortunately people have a very short memory for arrogance

[Lincoln MuaDib]

Gigamantis, after the abortion that was DA2's ending ("Hawke prevented the city from being destroyed and killed the Big Bosses who caused all the conflict. She became the Guardian of the city. Then she left. Don't know where she is now." or "Hawke prevented the city from being destroyed and killed the Big Bosses who caused all the conflict. But she sided with the mages, so even though she was proven correct in every aspect, she was banned from the city she saved. Don't know where she is now.")

. . . Yeah, after THAT, the only reason I bought ME3 was because ME1 and ME2 were so awesome. In fact, I only bought DA2 because ME1 and ME2 were so awesome.

The idea that one game won't affect sales of the other? Entirely untrue, as my case demonstrates.

[Romantiq]

No, because Dragon Age 2 already played that part

[Gigamantis]

gmboy902 wrote...

Whatever Dragon Age 3 preorders there will be, you mean?

Probably. People call it a vocal minority, but in reality even if it is a minority, the people who are complaining are the people who are devoted to BioWare and the people who do preorders.

A vocal minority was upset about Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 3 is the most pre-ordered game in Bioware's history.   I think the most likely explanation is that these "vocal minorities" are just emotional people with short attention spans.  They're mad and making threats now but by the time DA3 is available for pre-order they'll be all over it.  

[Ihatebadgames]

I am not going to preorder.DA:2 + ME3= they are not getting my money.Maybe if it's good I'll get it for $19.00 or less bargain bin.

[Lea-Anne]

Knowing that the next game is not going to have either Hawke or the Warden as a main makes me not want to play it. I like the DA universe a lot, but not if my PC is going to change every game and have little to no impact on future installments.

[scottish_sin]

Nope. Dragon Age II killed my desire to pre-order Dragon Age III. It'll be a rental at best to see how it turns out.

[LordDeimos4]

Mass Effect 3 was like a second chance for Bioware to mend its relationship with me after the abomination that was Dragon Age 2. Unfortunately they failed miserably and i will not be pre-ordering or buying any future Bioware games on day 1. I will wait for user reviews to make sure the game actually lives up to its promises, instead of kicking me in the nuts and laughing in my face

[Gigamantis]

Lincoln MuaDib wrote...

Gigamantis, after the abortion that was DA2's ending ("Hawke prevented the city from being destroyed and killed the Big Bosses who caused all the conflict. She became the Guardian of the city. Then she left. Don't know where she is now." or "Hawke prevented the city from being destroyed and killed the Big Bosses who caused all the conflict. But she sided with the mages, so even though she was proven correct in every aspect, she was banned from the city she saved. Don't know where she is now.")

. . . Yeah, after THAT, the only reason I bought ME3 was because ME1 and ME2 were so awesome. In fact, I only bought DA2 because ME1 and ME2 were so awesome.

The idea that one game won't affect sales of the other? Entirely untrue, as my case demonstrates.

So far all you've demonstrated is that you continue to pre-order games despite being disappointed by Bioware in the past.  You're puffing out your chest and making threats now, but if DA3 is looking awesome a year from now you'll more than likely be on board. 

DA3's pre orders will be fine if the game looks good.  How it previews is all that matters. 

[Dr. rotinaj]

DA2 already crippled the pre-orders. ME3 just finished the job.

Kidding aside, I think the number of pre-orders from fans is going to be a lot lower. The die-hard fans are pissed and as much as Bioware calls them the minority, they make up the bulk of the pre-orders. New comers just won't care enough.

[Lincoln MuaDib]

Gigamantis, you are entitled to your opinion. I never said this will destroy Dagon Age 3, but preorders are done by hardcore fans. We're the ones that, in the main, feel most lied to.

Again, if you loved DA2 and ME3, I'm happy for you. I'm not going to say you're wrong for liking them.

We may be a minority, but we're not irrelevant.

"So, Tali, how many Quarians are there?"
"About 6 million, Shepard."
"And how many Geth?"
"About 60 million, Commander."
"So the Quarians are in the minority? F**k 'em, then. Let 'em die, the Geth need a planet. "

[MapleJar]

Rockworm503 wrote...

I'm never pre-ordering anything ever again.

Nor am I. I am waiting to see what the majority of the community has to say. Screw professional reviewers - I want my peers, regular gamers who have no ties to the industry to consider, to generally approve of the game before I will consider buying it.

[Vaktathi]

I doubt it will destroy them, but it likely certainly will hurt them, though probably no more than the DA2 controversy.

The double-whammy though might be enough to *really* hurt it however.

[Gigamantis]

Dr. rotinaj wrote...

DA2 already crippled the pre-orders. ME3 just finished the job.

Kidding aside, I think the number of pre-orders from fans is going to be a lot lower. The die-hard fans are pissed and as much as Bioware calls them the minority, they make up the bulk of the pre-orders. New comers just won't care enough.

I just feel the need to remind people that ME3 was pre-ordered in record numbers.  Bioware has never seen better sales, and it's right after DA2.  If this hardcore players really are the bulk of the pre-orders they must've really loved DA2.  Record pre orders and record sales of the Bioware game that directly followed DA2; indicating more of these hardcore fans trusted Bioware with their pre-order money. 

[Ryven]

Unfortunately I don't think it will. I know I won't preorder (and I can't remember a Bioware product that I haven't preordered). But in the end EA's hype machine will run full force and people will still buy it and it will probably do well.

But I just can't trust Bioware to deliver any more so that will be the first Bioware game that I won't preorder, if I buy at all.

[Gigamantis]

Lincoln MuaDib wrote...

Gigamantis, you are entitled to your opinion. I never said this will destroy Dagon Age 3, but preorders are done by hardcore fans. We're the ones that, in the main, feel most lied to.

Again, if you loved DA2 and ME3, I'm happy for you. I'm not going to say you're wrong for liking them.

We may be a minority, but we're not irrelevant.

"So, Tali, how many Quarians are there?"
"About 6 million, Shepard."
"And how many Geth?"
"About 60 million, Commander."
"So the Quarians are in the minority? F**k 'em, then. Let 'em die, the Geth need a planet. "

You are the minority but you still matter. 

The thing is that hardcore fans are the least likely to leave so you make more money by bringing in new fans.  These new fans are the ones pre ordering in record numbers, and though the hardcore fans are very loud and make lots of threats they don't seem to be going anywhere. 

[Lincoln MuaDib]

Gigamantis, yes, BioWare disappointed me with DA2. The goodwill they built up with ME1 and ME2 was enough for me to consider DA2 a "blip". I'm not making threats, even if you see it as such. If it looks awesome I'll consider buying it, but not without finding out from player reviews, who've actually completed it, if it's any good.

Fool me once- shame on you.
Fool me twice- shame on me.

Yes, BioWare fooled me with ME3, which is pure awesome for 99% of the time. Had I known what I know now, I'd still buy it, but not preorder and not at day-one price.

BioWare have broken my trust, and as much as your seeming to think that that's irrelevant, it will have an impact.

If I come back 1 year from now to verify that I didn't preorder DA3 but waited until it was on sale, does that mean you've been a fool for a year? Does it really matter?

[MingWolf]

Gigamantis wrote...

Dr. rotinaj wrote...

DA2 already crippled the pre-orders. ME3 just finished the job.

Kidding aside, I think the number of pre-orders from fans is going to be a lot lower. The die-hard fans are pissed and as much as Bioware calls them the minority, they make up the bulk of the pre-orders. New comers just won't care enough.

I just feel the need to remind people that ME3 was pre-ordered in record numbers.  Bioware has never seen better sales, and it's right after DA2.  If this hardcore players really are the bulk of the pre-orders they must've really loved DA2.  Record pre orders and record sales of the Bioware game that directly followed DA2; indicating more of these hardcore fans trusted Bioware with their pre-order money. 

Meh, I don't think the result of Mass Effect 3 pre-orders had too much to do with DA2 itself. 

Just speaking from personal experience.  I pre-ordered DA2, hated the quality of the game, and definately became more skeptical about ordering from Bioware.  The only reason why I made an exception for ME3 is because I loved the first two; it gave me a little bit of traction.  I even liked ME3, even after the ending.  But still, if DA3 comes out, I'm holding my money this time, at least until after its released.  

Modifié par MingWolf, 25 mars 2012 - 05:14 .

[Gigamantis]

Lincoln MuaDib wrote...

Gigamantis, yes, BioWare disappointed me with DA2. The goodwill they built up with ME1 and ME2 was enough for me to consider DA2 a "blip". I'm not making threats, even if you see it as such. If it looks awesome I'll consider buying it, but not without finding out from player reviews, who've actually completed it, if it's any good.

Fool me once- shame on you.
Fool me twice- shame on me.

Yes, BioWare fooled me with ME3, which is pure awesome for 99% of the time. Had I known what I know now, I'd still buy it, but not preorder and not at day-one price.

BioWare have broken my trust, and as much as your seeming to think that that's irrelevant, it will have an impact.

If I come back 1 year from now to verify that I didn't preorder DA3 but waited until it was on sale, does that mean you've been a fool for a year? Does it really matter?

If DA3 is looking amazing in a year and you're still able to stick to your guns then good for you, but you'll be a minority within a minority.  Chances are good that for every one of you who leaves EA will bring in 2 or 3 more "new" fans, so in the grand-scheme you would be an unfortunate but acceptable loss.  

I personally would pre-order a game that's pure awesome for 99%.  99% is way more awesome than you get for most games.  

[Gigamantis]

MingWolf wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Dr. rotinaj wrote...

DA2 already crippled the pre-orders. ME3 just finished the job.

Kidding aside, I think the number of pre-orders from fans is going to be a lot lower. The die-hard fans are pissed and as much as Bioware calls them the minority, they make up the bulk of the pre-orders. New comers just won't care enough.

I just feel the need to remind people that ME3 was pre-ordered in record numbers.  Bioware has never seen better sales, and it's right after DA2.  If this hardcore players really are the bulk of the pre-orders they must've really loved DA2.  Record pre orders and record sales of the Bioware game that directly followed DA2; indicating more of these hardcore fans trusted Bioware with their pre-order money. 

Meh, I don't think the result of Mass Effect 3 pre-orders had too much to do with DA2 itself. 

Just speaking from personal experience.  I pre-ordered DA2, hated the quality of the game, and definately became more skeptical about ordering from Bioware.  The only reason why I made an exception for ME3 is because I loved the first two; it gave me a little bit of traction.  I even liked ME3, even after the ending.  But still, if DA3 comes out, I'm holding my money this time, at least until after its released.  

I don't think you even know how you'll feel a year or so from now when DA3 is being previewed.  All I'm saying is people were making the exact same threats after DA2.  They weren't threatening to give Bioware "1 more chance" they were promising to never pre order again.  I'll believe this collective of angry fans has the follow through to make an impact when I see it.