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[sparkomatic1972]

Really enjoyed DA, but DA2 to me felt like a console game, period. But that is just my opinion.

Cheers

[Alltakendoh]

After DA2, I will not order DA3. I was sooo disappointed

[shadey]

i'm going to wait for the DA3 review first

but yes, no more pre-orders, ever again from bioware.

so glad I didn't buy the me3 collector edition, I didn't even buy the from ashes DLC since I thought i'd play it through once at least, so glad I did that.

i never touched any of the DA2 dlc either.

[UnstableMongoose]

@DLC On the Disk

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree there. There's absoutely nothing about ME2 or ME3 that made me think "this is not Mass Effect," but I can respect anyone who has such a long history with the franchise feeling that way--a lot has changed for certain. I just don't feel that anything that is important to the series' heart has been altered.

The inclusion of Facebook games and other fluff seems odd; but it isn't really that much of a distraction unless you allow it to be, and it's a good way for the studio to bring in funding so that they can stay financially competitive without going to a formula that's based on completely screwing over your user and re-releasing an almost identical game every single year in order to drive a more steady line of ROI.

[Banelash]

ME not the same as DA. 2 different genre. For me DA2 will make me not preorder DA3. ME3 just kind of solidify that feeling.

[Well]

ME 3 tilted the balance for me on SWTOR.So I unsubbed.Saved 15 this month.As far as DA 3 no way.DA 2 did that.I won't pre-order DA 3.

[kalle90]

It will, or it proves people are sheep and have the memory of a fish (the ones who were dissapointed in Bioware)

[DaJe]

DA2 will hurt DA3 pre-orders, the PR arround ME3 too. Atleast I really, really hope so.

DA:O sold well because it was a great game for it's genre and word got arround. This is how it should be. Pre-orders and how EA tries to manipulate people into buying something without knowing it's quality has become a real problem.

Modifié par DaJe, 25 mars 2012 - 08:45 .

[Texhnolyze101]

Aesieru wrote...

BioWare: No, you did this! You killed the game!

Customer: Your lust for power has already killed it.

Bioware: If your not with us your against us!

Customer: Only companies under EA deal in absolutes.

[Ael]

Hmmmm Didnt buy ME, Pre-ordered DA:O got DA2 on sale because NO TOOLSET

On sale ME2 and pre-ordered 3 after playing ME2 liked it that much, won't pre-ordered DA3 no way no how after the last ten minutes of ME3

Geez what a let down

will be getting DA3 on sale 9.99 anyone

[Adam Walsh]

I wasn't going to pre order it anyway and that has nothing to do with ME3. I bought both DA:O and DA:2 about a year ago after renting and beating both games. I liked DA2 not as a whole there were parts I didn't like but the parts I did far exceeded those I didn't.

[Kronner]

Dragon Age 2 was a poor, consolified game. I have no interest of playing that game ever again.

ME3 is epic game, though it feels rushed at times and endings suck. I still hope that BioWare fixes the main issues fans complain about.

But I am not pre-ordering DA3, that's for sure.

Modifié par Kronner, 25 mars 2012 - 09:24 .

[sorentoft]

Lincoln MuaDib wrote...

Think on this. Mass Effect 3 was massively preordered. People bought it, sight unseen, because they trusted BioWare to make a great game. Many because they believed BioWare would create the game they, in all their pre-release interviews etc, had said they would.

Now, if you love the game as it is and would change nothing, I am happy for you.

But for those of us unhappy, would we ever preorder again?
We can't really trust BioWare again, really. Even if they said that DA3 would allow you to bone anyone you like, kill dragons, bend dictators over your knee and spank them, allow you to murder knife team members that threaten to raise an army to come back to kill you because you refuse to kill the kitten man (Sebastian, you're DLC, for f$$k's sake. Leaving me because Anders is awesome? Really), punch the snot out of Religious freaks, both human and bullheaded, and also be able to strut around naked . . .

Well, if I could trust BioWare to actually hold true to that promise, I'd be preordering that 7 months in advance, like I did with ME3.

But as it stands, I'll wait for user reviews of the game, I'll check out whether they think the ending is acceptable or not, and by the time that's all happened, Dragon Age 3 will be a preowned purchase for me.

BioWare- by teasing with Mass Effect 3, you're endangering DA3.

By not holding to promises, we can't trust your word.

Do you understand?

Quote for emphasis.

[Merilsell]

Brockololly wrote...

Dragon Age 2 destroyed Dragon Age 3 preorders all on its own

^This. I know that I will never ever preorder a BW game again after the DA2 disaster.

[BeefoTheBold]

Dragon Age 2 did a good enough job destroying Dragon Age 3 preorders without any help from this abomination of an ending that I just witnessed.

I just beat the game about 10 minutes ago and I can't believe how unbelievably, apallingly, idiotic and bad it is.

I thought you couldn't get any worse than the moronic ending to DA2, but boy was I ever wrong.

[Farbautisonn]

DA2 did its own job at killing the DA franchise. Personally I quit the franchise after one hour of DA2. Add to that the "we r listen" pr crap that were spewn allready then, We dont really have any reason to believe whatever comes out of the (somewhat active) DA3 writers and devs here on the board.

But then we have the Deception fiasco as well. A month plus after "we are listening and will change stuff" no news has been forthcomming. Again a case of Bioware letting things bleed out in the hope of ressurecting them later. Deception still sells as is on Amazon. Thats nice.

On top of the two previous experiences we have the ME3 debacle. Again they promised us "they were listening" and we havent seen crap yet. If we are lucky we will get an inane "Witch hunt esque" DLC (if that) to placate the fanbois, but more likely we will see some kind of patch with a few "tweeks". Nothing major and certainly nothing that will be anything but a bandaid on an amputated leg. Lots of the things said or "implied" by the devs for ME3 was never delivered upon, and a crapload of fans felt taken for granted.

So. Where does that leave DA3? 

It leaves DA3 as the last round in the chamber for Bioware. They have to deliver and they have to try to win back some of the oldtimers by abandoning alot of the DA2 features in favour of a more traditional game. However, now they will be compared to "The Witcher" and anything Bethsoft/Obsidian/indies can come up with. In the old days that wouldnt be a problem. Bioware had a very loyal and trusting fanbase. Now? Not so much. That spells fewer preorders and fewer CE's at least. It also spells a need for an increased marketing drive to direct attention to the game. DA3 cannot rely on word of mouth and fanbased hype. So more expenses there too. That means the profit margin for the game will be slimmer and the chance of failure or at least only a "break even" is that much bigger. That is not good. EA bought Bioware to increase their "storydriven" profile. Not reduce it to cinders.

And then there is the competition. Every compeditor in the RPG /storydriven field has watched this and followed it intensely. They also know that Bioware is in a tight spot vis a vis their reputation amonst the fans. And Bioware is the competition. So what to do? 

I know what I'd do. If I was Bethesda Id get Obsidian to deliver a title in the FO / Elderscrolls setting or make an expansion heavily focused on storytelling around the DA3 release. If I were CD Projekt Id do the same. CD projekt rides on a wave of goodwill from fans. They are the new gold standard in traditional RPG storytelling. Bethesda/Obsidian have a good collaboration, and have proven that they can tell good stories aside from catering to their sandbox core client base. If their games are even half decent they will sell ok and will not come under the same intense scrutiny as the DA3 title will. And that scrutiny will reveil errors and mistakes. Because all games have them.

So whilst the fans nitpick DA3 the compeditors title get a free ride or even looks hella better in comparison, further driving a nail in Bios coffin. And if DA3 does not deliver the sales... why then should EA keep Bioware as an independent studio? If the name "bioware" becomes synonymous with "failiure" why not fold Bioware into EA proper and loose the name? 

Ofcourse this can be avoided if Bioware REALLY shapes up and delivers epic dlc and examplery CS to her fans in the next months to come. But considering the history we have been faced with so far, Id say thats highly unlikely.


So... you do the "math".

Modifié par Farbautisonn, 25 mars 2012 - 09:54 .

[Melca36]

I didn't hate DA:2 but definitely see how it could have been better than it was. It was a good game but not a fantastically flawless game like some think it is.

They're going to have to do really good updates on the game progression. I'll have to see some decent trailers as well.

Those are just a few factors on whether or not I will preorder.

I also hope their marketing tactic DOES NOT include bashing DA:2 the way they did for Origins. That could end up angering the hardcore DA:2 fans thus affecting the preorders as well.

[NoirLegend]

Brockololly wrote...

Dragon Age 2 destroyed Dragon Age 3 preorders all on its own

This and also ME3 ending contributed to this.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

I r suppot gud word walls.

Nice post, Farbautisonn.

Modifié par CrustyBot, 25 mars 2012 - 09:39 .

[whiteraider]

Nah, Dragon Age 2 did that!

[AkiKishi]

It might have some impact. But Dragon Age2 did a pretty good job of that. Not everyone who plays ME plays DA and vice versa.

[Noelemahc]

In a word? No.

In three? Not quite entirely.

To elaborate: DAO fans do not wholly overlap with ME fans. DA2 fans heavily overlap with ME fans (mainly because DA2 was marketed as being more ME-like, and not just in the dialogue wheel), and when I say "fans", I specifically mean "people that LIKED the game". I don't want to wager who ME3 fans overlap with, but if DA3 promises a return to the more tactical approach of DAO and a less constrained form of storytelling, I think it will still sell well. A demo well before the release will help, I bet (as DA2's demo was what convinced me that DA2 would not be that much like DAO and therefore was worth buying -- I frankly found it to be too old-school for a game made so many years after BG2 and liked DA2 far far more than I did DAO, feel free to disagree), but ultimately it will still come down to what BW will promise and what they will ultimately deliver.

A related issue, however, is whether there'll be a lot of pre-orders, and I'm willing to bet you cookies to starships that there will be a lot less of them than there were for DA2, probably by an order of magnitude or more.

Modifié par Noelemahc, 25 mars 2012 - 09:46 .

[Farbautisonn]

CrustyBot wrote...

I r suppot gud word walls.

Nice post, Farbautisonn.

-Cheers

[AkiKishi]

Lincoln MuaDib wrote...

Is Kingdoms of Amalur any good?

As ever it depends what you like. Download the demo, it's representative of the writing and graphics. But every glitch/bug you see in the demo was fixed in the full game. Animation is greatly improved too, it's a little goofy in the demo but really good in the full game.

It's rated higher than ME3 on Amazon and still holding its original price over a month later.

[vasht]

i never intended to preorder DA3.

doubt i will buy it until it hits the bargain bin either. if 2 was an indication were they are headed with it, im not interested.