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[d.nichols]

I liked DA2, but I won't pay for DA3 after Mass Effect 3 honestly. Lettin' my wallet talk for me, hyeah!

[Salis777]

Raseri wrote...

No, Dragon Age 2 already destroyed that for me. This destroyed any future Mass Effect pre-orders for me.

I think fans are slowly realising this.  We all grew up with the gaming industry and grew to love and trust certain companies.  The industry has moved on, it's worth $60bn/year, it's not just big business it's almost THE entertainment business. 

What we grew up with and loved went corporate.  Time to get smart.

[kofelover]

oYOSSARIANo wrote...

No it will not affect my decision to buy Dragon Age 3. As Dragon Age 2 has already convinced me to never buy a Dragon Age game again. The 'awesome' button was just far too much fun for me.

My feelings precisely -- it's just inappropriate to have so much "awesome" fun.

[DaJe]

Gigamantis wrote...

Lincoln MuaDib wrote...

Gigamantis, yes, BioWare disappointed me with DA2. The goodwill they built up with ME1 and ME2 was enough for me to consider DA2 a "blip". I'm not making threats, even if you see it as such. If it looks awesome I'll consider buying it, but not without finding out from player reviews, who've actually completed it, if it's any good.

Fool me once- shame on you.
Fool me twice- shame on me.

Yes, BioWare fooled me with ME3, which is pure awesome for 99% of the time. Had I known what I know now, I'd still buy it, but not preorder and not at day-one price.

BioWare have broken my trust, and as much as your seeming to think that that's irrelevant, it will have an impact.

If I come back 1 year from now to verify that I didn't preorder DA3 but waited until it was on sale, does that mean you've been a fool for a year? Does it really matter?

If DA3 is looking amazing in a year and you're still able to stick to your guns then good for you, but you'll be a minority within a minority.  Chances are good that for every one of you who leaves EA will bring in 2 or 3 more "new" fans, so in the grand-scheme you would be an unfortunate but acceptable loss.  

I personally would pre-order a game that's pure awesome for 99%.  99% is way more awesome than you get for most games.  

You are wrong. The sales for DA2 demonstrate by fact how the plan of luring in new people has failed.
By watering everything down and trying to please as many groups as possible they ended up appealing to almost noone, because it is not good at anything.

BW alienated fans and gained almost noone in return.

Now to make up for that they will have to lie even more and hype DA3 even more and spend more on marketing and less on the game so that it can still sell by screwing over unknowing players on Day 1.
It has worked some time but each time less people will be fooled and that model will implode sooner or later.

Without trust there can only be failure.

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

Paulinius wrote...

Oh, and the continued casualization of their games. But they do want Call of Duty's audience. Too bad that CoD's audience doesn't care about BioWare games since CoD does what CoD does best. Bonus: they get to alienate their loyal fans. Lose-lose situation.

What's funny is there's a handful of us who have been saying this for a couple years now. Only to be jumped on by the BDF and flat out denial from Bioware staffers.  I'd have to say this is prolly the quickest EA Assilimation in history.  I'm sure John Riccitiello (current EA CEO and former partner in Elevation Partners BW's prior investors) is very proud of himself for stearing Bioware into being aquired.

[darknessmyown]

I do not really see Mass Effect and Dragon Age quite connected in this manner. I did not hate DA2 as much as most, there were things about it I rather liked in fact. But pre-order from Bioware again? It is going to depend on what I see and hear about DA3 really. As it stands, I am not going to be paying for any DLC for Mass Effect 3 unless they fix things, and while DA3 is not directly tied to that I am certainly going in with a great deal of caution and possibly even waiting for it to go on sale somewhere.

[TomY90]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

Paulinius wrote...

Oh, and the continued casualization of their games. But they do want Call of Duty's audience. Too bad that CoD's audience doesn't care about BioWare games since CoD does what CoD does best. Bonus: they get to alienate their loyal fans. Lose-lose situation.

What's funny is there's a handful of us who have been saying this for a couple years now. Only to be jumped on by the BDF and flat out denial from Bioware staffers.  I'd have to say this is prolly the quickest EA Assilimation in history.  I'm sure John Riccitiello (current EA CEO and former partner in Elevation Partners BW's prior investors) is very proud of himself for stearing Bioware into being aquired.

I hope to god this does not come true consdiering Call of Duty's fan base are to be honest complete and utter idiots (no offence if any of you are)

but its true they only look at games as a means to cheat at (camping) and think its best to rub it in to peoples faces that they do not camp as much as they do.

I see no resemblances in any shape or form to Call of Duty to Dragon Age 2 considering where are the guns, where are the campers, where are the care packages?

I dont see them anywhere and DO NOT do this to ME series either because EA/Bioware you are not what you call in the good books of that fan base right now either.

[Aesieru]

TomY90 wrote...

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

Paulinius wrote...

Oh, and the continued casualization of their games. But they do want Call of Duty's audience. Too bad that CoD's audience doesn't care about BioWare games since CoD does what CoD does best. Bonus: they get to alienate their loyal fans. Lose-lose situation.

What's funny is there's a handful of us who have been saying this for a couple years now. Only to be jumped on by the BDF and flat out denial from Bioware staffers.  I'd have to say this is prolly the quickest EA Assilimation in history.  I'm sure John Riccitiello (current EA CEO and former partner in Elevation Partners BW's prior investors) is very proud of himself for stearing Bioware into being aquired.

I hope to god this does not come true consdiering Call of Duty's fan base are to be honest complete and utter idiots (no offence if any of you are)

but its true they only look at games as a means to cheat at (camping) and think its best to rub it in to peoples faces that they do not camp as much as they do.

I see no resemblances in any shape or form to Call of Duty to Dragon Age 2 considering where are the guns, where are the campers, where are the care packages?

I dont see them anywhere and DO NOT do this to ME series either because EA/Bioware you are not what you call in the good books of that fan base right now either.

The action-centric focus and in-your-face killing is actually very similar.

[Impulse and Compulse]

Kinda hopefully.

DA2 sucked from what I heard, and ME3's ending.....

I know it's EA's fault, but Bioware is capable of making great games and EA knows that.

[Dasha Dreyson]

I'll wait for player reviews. They'll have to be from online though, since most of my friends have now sworn off both franchises for good. I did enjoy most of ME3 and liked DA2 okay, but I wasn't happy enough to invest in dlc (besides Seb, whose interlude at the end annoyed me to the point I wished I didn't have him).

I want to get excited about releases, but now I'll be waiting tentatively for player reviews instead.

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

TomY90 wrote...


I hope to god this does not come true consdiering Call of Duty's fan base are to be honest complete and utter idiots (no offence if any of you are)

but its true they only look at games as a means to cheat at (camping) and think its best to rub it in to peoples faces that they do not camp as much as they do.

I see no resemblances in any shape or form to Call of Duty to Dragon Age 2 considering where are the guns, where are the campers, where are the care packages?

I dont see them anywhere and DO NOT do this to ME series either because EA/Bioware you are not what you call in the good books of that fan base right now either.

You were saying? Thankfully this Battlefield clone in an ME Skin appears to have been cancled already but this is certainly the direction and demographic Bioware so badly wants to reach out to for whatever reason. I guess games like Baldur's Gate, and DA Origins selling millions isn't enough money these days.

[Siegdrifa]

I don't know yet.

I'm an old Bioware fan, and most of their game are also one of the best game i played in my 28 years of gaming existance, (started at pong).

But, it's seems i can't buy blindy anymore from them as they shift to other audiance, other theme, other vision (nothing wrong with that).
If i buy Dragon Age 3 it will be because this is the kind of entertainement i'm looking for, but not because it's a Bioware game, worth i would actualy wait and have to spoile myself (god i ****ing hate that !!!) to make sure there won't be pulling bad decisions (subjective judgement from me on thing i want to avoid in video games) that they have done with DA2, ME3.

I like to know where my money is going.

[Lil Babbyt]

In my opinion, I do not believe one will hurt the other. You are talking about two different games, although both complex and rich with a great story. It is really just a matter of preference. I actually LOVED DA2 as well as its predecessor. Could more have been done to make the game interesting (in terms of using the same buildings, caves, areas throughout the entire game)...yes I think so. I missed my Warden from DA:O and Awakenings, but I equally embraced Hawke in DA2. The success (or lack thereof) did not hinder my decision to pre-order ME3. I pre-ordered without a thought in my mind based on ME1 and ME2...NOT DA2.

I guess bottomline what I am saying is that people have certain expectatations which is understandable, but to base your expectations on a different game and either refuse to pre-order based on the success of the other is like comparing apples and oranges. It all boils down to what you prefer. Bioware creates some really amazing games. If you don't want to take a risk, then do not pre-order. If there was a DA3 or even an ME4 in the works, I would pre-order as soon as they make it available to. If you loved ME1 and ME2, then you will more than likely enjoy ME3. Aside from all the controversy in the ending, you will still enjoy the same things that captured your attention in the first two. Bioware actually listens to their fanbase unlike other companies. You already know their level of quality, so it should not be difficult to decide. I believe DA3 will be pre-ordered based on the success of DA2. Some fans will want a little more reassurance that DA3 meets their expectations if they were disappointed with DA2 in terms of pre-ordering or just simply renting. For people who have not played many of Bioware's games, they may base it solely on the success of ME3.

[DatIrishFella]

I won't touch Dragon Age III until I see reviews from users of this site, you can't trust the big review sites. Also, if the dialogue wheel or lack thereof, is gone and it's mostly auto-dialogue like Mass Effect 3, then I won't touch it at all.

[sendrant]

I can only speak for myself, so I can only admit that it will affect my ore-order habits.

I was willing to accept Dragon Age 2 as a failure. As far as you learn out of your failures I can accept that. I'm not happy as a customer but I can accept.
Then there was ME 3. Most of the game was good, but instead of bringing closure I felt more like "what the **** happened here?" at the end. So Bioware let me down the second time in a row. Not to mention SW:ToR, that feels just rushed and has quit a few problems.
And after all this I should Pre-order again? I don't think so. In the best case I'll buy the game after the first (good) gamer reviews. In the worst case for Bioware I won't be interested at all, because that case I see myself as a customer Bioware doesn't want to address any more.

[Siegdrifa]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

TomY90 wrote...


I hope to god this does not come true consdiering Call of Duty's fan base are to be honest complete and utter idiots (no offence if any of you are)

but its true they only look at games as a means to cheat at (camping) and think its best to rub it in to peoples faces that they do not camp as much as they do.

I see no resemblances in any shape or form to Call of Duty to Dragon Age 2 considering where are the guns, where are the campers, where are the care packages?

I dont see them anywhere and DO NOT do this to ME series either because EA/Bioware you are not what you call in the good books of that fan base right now either.

You were saying? Thankfully this Battlefield clone in an ME Skin appears to have been cancled already but this is certainly the direction and demographic Bioware so badly wants to reach out to for whatever reason. I guess games like Baldur's Gate, and DA Origins selling millions isn't enough money these days.

I always wondered why EA was so focus on multiplayer in all their game, even solo game...

It's seems there is something better than selling DLC.... it's selling "consumable" ressources to the player because unlike armore you pay for it once, consumable can be purchassed again and again.

Look at ME3 multiplayer, you creat a character, you have a ****ty equipement, i have to chain about 8 or 12 head shot to kill one guy, whyle those have one of the power full weapon  do it in 1 or 2 shot.
You can't compare the efficiency of a character with and advanced equipement and those with a ****ty equipement.

Play for hour to buy your pack ... or ... give money for a chance to have it more quickly... just look at how powerfull those with a real big gun perform, very very big epine ! so...

EA just want to use the "pay to win" concept, skill doesn't matter, you will have as much power, as much ammo, as much healing as you need to perform well, just give a few buck you need it for your epine.

Modifié par Siegdrifa, 25 mars 2012 - 11:08 .

[learie]

I'm seeing the connection between ME3 and DA:Kirkwall: I think DA:K was the beta for ME3.
-default head for fem Shep/Hawke that you can't change
-have to sit all through intro before reloading to change the head you tried to make
-all the heads you try to make are tremendously ugly
-all maps have corridors to a set destination, no exploration
-the buttons for awesomeness
-radial menu for dialogue
-voiced protagonist
-4 conversations with your companions and LI
-waves of enemies

This makes me suspect that DA:3 is going to be exactly the same as DA:Kirkwall, only the default head won't have fluoro eyes, the second and third wave of enemy won't drop out of the sky, and you will get some choices that influence the immediate story. Yay.

I wondered why the story of ME2 &3 changed from "find The Conduit!" to "complete all these loyalty missions" and "collect all this stuff" but the posters above have solved that for me: it's how CoD works.

Pre-order? Probably won't buy it or any other Bioware product. But they won't mind- their market is shooter players.

[thunderhawk862002]

It depends on how many Mass Effect 3 players are alienated from BioWare that also play Dragon Age. My brother doesn't play Dragon Age but played Mass Effect. Plus the fallout from Dragon Age II may be a contributing factor as well. So it's impossible to say.

[Barry Bathernak]

i only pre-ordered ME3 since i got a lot of giftcards so i didn't spend any cash, but between d.a.2 being a load of poop and me3's ending making me lose almost all the hope that it gave me and making me want to smash my stage right prop table for cabaret...

to reiterate i wont pre-order it and most likely wont even get it.

[chaosomegas]

i like bioware storys so i would pre order it. dragon age 2 was rushed.

[kingtigernz]

The drink coaster known as Dragon Age 2 is what will kill pre-orders.

[Nepp]

kingtigernz wrote...

The drink coaster known as Dragon Age 2 is what will kill pre-orders.

You use the DA2 disc as a coaster too?

*high five*

[ArenCordial]

DA2 pretty much assured DA3 wouldn't be a preorder. ME3 pretty much guarenteed its not going to be bought.

[kingtigernz]

Nepp wrote...

kingtigernz wrote...

The drink coaster known as Dragon Age 2 is what will kill pre-orders.

You use the DA2 disc as a coaster too?

*high five*

I like to get some use out of items I buy lol

Modifié par kingtigernz, 26 mars 2012 - 02:52 .

[kingtigernz]

MICHELLE7 wrote...

This has pretty much destroyed pre-orders for me on anything(by Bioware or anyone else for that matter)...I will wait to see what the feedback is before I buy and I don't mean from professional reviewers either. I intend to give DA3 a fair chance though...I'm not writing them off by any means.

CD Projekt is the only developer on PC I will pre-order off.To me they seem to be making all the right moves and know the vaule of their fans.

Modifié par kingtigernz, 26 mars 2012 - 02:57 .