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[FemmeShep]

Darthbill52 wrote...

FemmeShep wrote...

games.on.net/article/15190/RPG_on_Rails_Mass_Effect_3_and_the_Illusion_of_Choice

This article explains a little better what I was trying to say about ME3 feeling streamlined and lacking depth to the world. 
This is a problem that DA2 had as well. It felt "on the rails". 

Its a good article and I agree with it.  I am going through a second playthrough now and it feels more like a movie than an rpg even in rpg mode, if you can figure that our your good.   It makes a good point, like chasting Vega for crashing the shuttle. I would have picked the option ..ok man you were reckless but you stopped cerberus from taking off.  I am buying the minute we get somewhere with a bar. 

Also I was hoping for some interaction or a cut scene at the poker table...nada. Why install a poker table on the normandy if your not going to use it.  My shepard would be the type of captain to play cards with his crew, I am a Kirk captain ..not a picard. I enjoy interaction not sipping earl grey tea in my cabin ..alone. 

Exactly. It's a lot more obvious on a 2nd play through too. You start to realize how lacking the world is, how lacking your choices are, and how you are just being pushed through a movie/story. 

It was awesome the first go around, but it's not really holding up for me. 

Modifié par FemmeShep, 25 mars 2012 - 06:44 .

[AtreiyaN7]

*sees the words "Drama Aside" in the title*
*sees dramatic post*
*laughs*

[Maria Caliban]

You know, I've read this exact same post after every game of BioWare's I've seen launched.

I suspect BioWare is a vampire with the number of times they've risen from the grave.

[stevesyanks17hotmail.com]

Thanking Drew, when the writing in this game was far more emotionally effecting than 1 or 2. K.

[sydranark]

LOL "dama aside." yeah, okay.

[GoblinSapper]

Brightside8 wrote...

The simple fact is that Bioware is at the end of it's creative life span.

The original passion and fire for art and artistic integrity can't last forever, and it's fading from Bioware. It shows.
So as painful as it is, this is goodbye, Bioware.

I'm not being fatalistic, but a wonderful, passionate, artistic studio can only exist for so long before it burns itself out. We've had two decades of *incredible* games, for which I thank you, but you've all burned yourselves out on creativity, and now it's just a job.

Thanks for the Baldur's Gate series.
Thanks for Never Winter Nights.
Thanks for Knights of the Old Republic
Thanks for Mass Effect 1
Thanks for Dragon Age: Origins
Thanks for Mass Effect 2

You've stocked my shelves with memorable games for two decades, games I will replay for years. I will watch the credits roll by again and thank every name there.

So goodbye, and goodluck in your careers.

P.S. I know he's not with Bioware anymore, but a very, very special thanks and lots of fan love to Drew Karpshyn, one of the best writers the industry has ever seen, and responsible for the moving stories and characters behind four of my favorite games of all time. Thank you Drew, I'll be watching for your new novels, and hope you get the time to write something original.

Edit for clarification:
I doubt Bioware will cease to exist as a label, but they have hit the end of their creative lifespan, or so it seems. Most of the original staff is gone, including their best writers, and they've been tethered to a larger corporate entity with deadlines and a bottom line. There's nothing bad or good about that. They'll probably keep making decent but not great games for a while.

Well, here's to looking for the next Bioware
Cheers, folks.

The irony?

-THIS- is bitter sweet.

[erc1971]

I am not going to call Bioware dead just yeat. DA2 was bad and 1% of ME3 was bad. IMO the other 99% of ME3 was beyond incredible. How they handle the ending of ME3 and their next couple games will determine what will happen. I hope things improve, because I really enjoy it when Bioware gets it right!

Eric

[aliengmr1]

Bioware will be milked for all its worth. The fanbase won't challenge them and they will buy all the DLC they put out. Nah they won't go anywhere for a while.

I have come to the point where I don't really care if they change the ending or not. In fact I would say let the pro-enders have it, not really fair to want to change something I've stopped caring about but that's just me and plenty others want it changed and I do support fans having a voice.

OP is right, EA has sucked most of the life out of Bioware and it will only get worse. It will just take a while for people to realize it. That will be when ME gets the COD treatment or something equally ridiculous.

You know, I would love to see the ME movie trilogy, just to see the end. didn't think of that till just now.

[Cutlasskiwi]

Maria Caliban wrote...


You know, I've read this exact same post after every game of BioWare's I've seen launched.

I suspect BioWare is a vampire with the number of times they've risen from the grave.

^^This. Well done BioWare.

All drama aside, I have especially fond memories of the rage when they announced BGII and then later on Neverwinter Nights.  

[liggy002]

OP, I am almost where you are at but not quite. I am awaiting the news in April and I am certainly hoping that we will get post ending DLC.

Modifié par liggy002, 25 mars 2012 - 07:59 .

[blacqout]

Dragon Age II is the best game they have made, and was far more creative within the RPG genre than Origins.

The only thing that BioWare were tethered to, were fans like you unwilling to evolve and move with the times. Thanks for doing us all a favour and freeing yourself, leaving the company to innovate without the constant dull drone of whine.

[Aerevane]

 Will it be a funeral or a cremation?

[liggy002]

Icetea07 wrote...

Here is what happened. A bunch of very talanted creative artists came together to make something memorable. The original Bioware crew. Some leave and then are replaced by others who also have passion. At some point along this turnover they are bought out by somone only interested in money (EA). This is were the important turnover happens. Whereas before the buyout it was the small writers, now the leaders are trying to create very artistis products, and the money makers are saying no, we own you so you will do what we want. The heads of the original company disagree and say screw you we quit. Without the leaders the rest of the artists are left to try and make it but fall under the pressure of the money makers. When this happens the company as it was orignally meant to be fail to exist. Yes the name still exists but what it becomes is nothing more than a shell of itself. It happens all the time. Sadly it has happened to bioware.

The truth hurts but I am still hoping against hope that what we will get in April is something in which the truth is bliss (indoc theory and expanded ending with Harbinger battle and conversation).

[jkflipflopDAO]

blacqout wrote...

Dragon Age II is the best game they have made, and was far more creative within the RPG genre than Origins.

The only thing that BioWare were tethered to, were fans like you unwilling to evolve and move with the times. Thanks for doing us all a favour and freeing yourself, leaving the company to innovate without the constant dull drone of whine.

You know you don't actually get anything for sucking BioWare's balls, right? They don't need you being the contrarian dbag running in to White Knight the company when you perceive someone makes a slight against them. 

[SumthingStupid789]

gmboy902 wrote...

yEAh that about sums it up.

lol

[Simzyy]

This post is ridiculous...honestly, such an overreaction

[celozzip]

another sad cry for attention.

[animallover11]

Yeah. RIP to the good Bioware, hello to the mediocre, unsatisfying Bioware.

[tschamp]

Brightside8 wrote...

The simple fact is that Bioware is at the end of it's creative life span.

The original passion and fire for art and artistic integrity can't last forever, and it's fading from Bioware. It shows.
So as painful as it is, this is goodbye, Bioware.

I'm not being fatalistic, but a wonderful, passionate, artistic studio can only exist for so long before it burns itself out. We've had two decades of *incredible* games, for which I thank you, but you've all burned yourselves out on creativity, and now it's just a job.

Thanks for the Baldur's Gate series.
Thanks for Never Winter Nights.
Thanks for Knights of the Old Republic
Thanks for Mass Effect 1
Thanks for Dragon Age: Origins
Thanks for Mass Effect 2

You've stocked my shelves with memorable games for two decades, games I will replay for years. I will watch the credits roll by again and thank every name there.

So goodbye, and goodluck in your careers.

P.S. I know he's not with Bioware anymore, but a very, very special thanks and lots of fan love to Drew Karpshyn, one of the best writers the industry has ever seen, and responsible for the moving stories and characters behind four of my favorite games of all time. Thank you Drew, I'll be watching for your new novels, and hope you get the time to write something original.

Edit for clarification:
I doubt Bioware will cease to exist as a label, but they have hit the end of their creative lifespan, or so it seems. Most of the original staff is gone, including their best writers, and they've been tethered to a larger corporate entity with deadlines and a bottom line. There's nothing bad or good about that. They'll probably keep making decent but not great games for a while.

Well, here's to looking for the next Bioware
Cheers, folks.

While I understand what you are saying here, I disagree with you on the premise. I think Bioware major problem is who they partnered up with, EA. EA isn't known for their high quality games beyond the Madden series which is starting to fall off in quaility. Bioware first partner was Microsoft which limits their platform options, but I think Microsoft
has more experience in putting out quality games for the most part.

I am not saying ME 3 is low quality, quite the opposite really for 90% of the game. I do think EA doesn't value quality control and quality testing of the full product before it is release. I think if allow the time any gaming company would test the full product on cross-section of their potential customers. This is something movie companies do before
they release a big budget movie to determine how much publicity to put into a movie. I think Bioware and any smart gaming company should start using this business practice to avoid these misteps they have done
recently.

Edit: I like Dragon Age 2. I think it is a fun game. Just want to put that out there.

Modifié par tschamp, 25 mars 2012 - 03:29 .

[Nicky 192]

I hope not, let's wait and see what they do to fix it first. But i feel myself that the over all quality has been slipping for a while now. Da2 felt very lacklustre and rushed compared to Dao.

[walrusVI]

Drama aside, DRAMA!
Seriously though, I doubt OP is correct.