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[Costin_Razvan]

ThatGuy39 wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Bioware is not making Generals 2. Bioware Victory is made up of the people who created the previous Command and Conquer games.

As for the combat of DA2 being better then DA:O...that's like saying drinking a bottle of ****** is better then eating a pile of dung.

 

Even better. Some of those guys also worked on the Star Wars Empire at War series, so I will definitely be picking it up.

That....is going to be amazing. As long as EA doesn't do some retarded **** I am pre-ordering that game.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 25 mars 2012 - 05:08 .

[Hendrik.III]

poundoffleshaa wrote...

I liked DAO combat as long as you played a mage everything was just fine (on the pc with the time pauses etc).

For it's genre, there was nothing wrong with DA:O combat. Combat was not the defining factor of the game, imo.

What I hated about DA2 is how every enemy I touched had the tendency to explode, it was just TOO much. Plus the Darkspawn looked like clowns instead of... well, Darkspawn.

Modifié par Hendrik.III, 25 mars 2012 - 05:09 .

[vigna]

Jade Empire was very good. That said I will, one day , officially, beg that Bioware up-scales KOTOR for 360 and tweaks a few things and just re-issues it so it isn't buggy like it is now on 360.
I think I'd rather have a updated KOTOR than a new game....

[PlasmidJunky]

Most people admit that, end-gate aside, ME3 is a really fun, involving game. If they fix or address the ending, which they've said they will, I don't really see the problem. The story is actually better than the last two games up until the ending-- more emotionally involving and more meaningful. Also, ME2 and DA:O were both under EA, so let's not pretend that they can't make good games being under the EA umbrella.

[sg17]

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heathxxx wrote...

-REDACTED- wrote...

than why not make the action as polished as possible like they did with the combat in Dragon Age 2

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...

*pauses*

*takes a deep breath*

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

Even if you didn't like the story, the combat was way better than it was in Dragon Age Origins. Much more responsive, much more visceral. Everything felt like it had a real weight to it, unlike in DA:O where it was just a bunch of numbers above an enemy's head...

The combat of DA2 is a huge reason that it sucked.  bioware used to make great games; then they were acquired by EA and now they make games purely for money.

[FoxShadowblade]

I swear I'm the only person that loves both the Dragon Age games, hated combat in Origins and loved it in 2. ...Anyway.

Mass Effect 3 had so much passion and fire that I was really surprised. The game is perhaps the best I've ever played...and then you hit such a lackluster bad ending and it feels so rotten. I personally thinkthat is why the response has been so overwhelmingly negative.

Has BioWare reached the end of their creative abilities? No. Are they starting to? Yeah.

[AllThatJazz]

jkflipflopDAO wrote...

MercenaryNo wrote...

Atleast I can still look forward to Bethesda.

Indeed. Skyrim is incredible and with the workshop thing it's just over the top awesome. Plus we have the expansion packs for skyrim and then fallout 4 coming. 

Bethesda knows how to do DLC right. Yeah, they came up with horse armor, but look at Shivering Isles and Knights of the Nine - those were some pretty meaty DLC. All the DLC for Fallout 3 was excellent value for the price (including the one THAT CHANGED THE ENDING TO CLOSE GLARING PLOTHOLES).

BioWare did good with some DLC, some of it has been kinda bad. Witch Hunt sticks out as particularly bad for the same reason ME3's ending sucks. We were promised answers to our burning questions, but all we got was a little tease and no answers at all.

We STILL haven't heard about Morrigan and OGB. 

Thing is though, Bethesda have also had their time of making games that I found pretty uninspiring. I loved Daggerfall, really liked Morrowind, then hated Oblivion with a fiery passion, and was disappointed in much of Fallout 3 (speaking as a huge fan of the first two Fallout games). But then they came back with Skyrim, which is pretty darned good. A couple of disappointments (should also remember that not everyone is disappointed, and that most of ME3 was pretty good ) does not necessarily herald the end of Bioware - surely every studio goes through a bit of a rough patch.

Also, Knights of the Nine? Really? I thought that was awfully boring. Shivering Isles was alright, though, I'd agree with you on that

[AllergevKev]

I still think they're awesome, they just happen to be on a really bad trend of making games with crappy endings. Like, the last game they made with a good ending was DA:O.

Other than that, I still love me some Bioware (not so much some EA however...)

[Laverick]

Kenta Shuuichi wrote...

My point: While DA2 was not as good as the first, It was still awesome and I was able to BE the character. I valued that and I found the characters enticing. Sure there were mistakes, but not grisly ones.

tschamp wrote...

I like Dragon Age 2. I think it is a fun game. Just want to put that out there.

 

FoxShadowblade wrote...

I swear I'm the only person that loves both the Dragon Age games, hated combat in Origins and loved it in 2. 

 

Thank you God, I'm not alone!

Modifié par Laverick, 26 mars 2012 - 02:58 .

[vometia]

AllThatJazz wrote...

Thing is though, Bethesda have also had their time of making games that I found pretty uninspiring. I loved Daggerfall, really liked Morrowind, then hated Oblivion with a fiery passion, and was disappointed in much of Fallout 3 (speaking as a huge fan of the first two Fallout games). But then they came back with Skyrim, which is pretty darned good. A couple of disappointments (should also remember that not everyone is disappointed, and that most of ME3 was pretty good ) does not necessarily herald the end of Bioware - surely every studio goes through a bit of a rough patch.

I liked Oblivion and FO3 a lot (as well as Morrowind and New Vegas, just in case someone thinks I belong to some "camp"!) but Skyrim fell totally flat for me.  I don't hate it, I just find it dull and uninspired.  I know people said the same about Oblivion, but I felt it still had its own charm, whereas Skyrim feels quite charmless to me.

[Panicomatic]

I'm inclined to agree with this post. Overall there has been a notable shift in product quality since Dragon Age: Origin's DLC. Lots of fluffy nonsense. The Expansion pack was also terrible, imho. Mass effect 2 introduced DRM and had some really good dlc, and some terrible dlc. Most of all, it had TONS of DLC. Moving on to DA2, a personal friend of mine played it and hated it. He stated that in DA2 would give you choices but the choices ended in the same consequences. He said that there are many times where enemies literally just fall out of the sky, and most of the rpg elements from DA:O don't exist anymore, like managing equipment for your friends. Finally you get to ME3, and I was very excited for its release, but I also made myself a promise: if BioWare did not deliver the epic conclusion to the series that it deserves I'd be done with them.

You know, the worst part about this whole fiasco is that someone at bioware OK'ed that ending. Somehow it got past their quality assurance team and they just stuck a price tag on the box. Whoever thought that blowing up every relay, which was already established to destroy the star system it was in, should be reprimanded. And then there's all this fan boy entitlement downplay.

Makes me want to buy bioware in the future.

[AllThatJazz]

vometia wrote...

AllThatJazz wrote...

Thing is though, Bethesda have also had their time of making games that I found pretty uninspiring. I loved Daggerfall, really liked Morrowind, then hated Oblivion with a fiery passion, and was disappointed in much of Fallout 3 (speaking as a huge fan of the first two Fallout games). But then they came back with Skyrim, which is pretty darned good. A couple of disappointments (should also remember that not everyone is disappointed, and that most of ME3 was pretty good ) does not necessarily herald the end of Bioware - surely every studio goes through a bit of a rough patch.

I liked Oblivion and FO3 a lot (as well as Morrowind and New Vegas, just in case someone thinks I belong to some "camp"!) but Skyrim fell totally flat for me.  I don't hate it, I just find it dull and uninspired.  I know people said the same about Oblivion, but I felt it still had its own charm, whereas Skyrim feels quite charmless to me.

I'm a sucker for snow, I think that's why I preferred Skyrim :3 

[Stakis]

if its bioware ill buy it , did that for years, but then came dragon age 2, no decent kotor developement and now this crap with ME3 , sadly i think the OP is correct in many things, but ill wait for official news about ME3´s ending before making a decision about buying future products.

[Njald]

Bioware exist because EA allow it and they will end because EA demand it.

[vometia]

AllThatJazz wrote...

I'm a sucker for snow, I think that's why I preferred Skyrim :3

I liked the green leafiness of Cyrodiil!  Morrowind was too brown and Skyrim was too grey.  And no bugger ever smiled, the miserable bunch!  Still, at least it didn't have bile yellow highlights like FO3.

[Jaron Oberyn]

Zing Freelancer wrote...

BioWare is doing fine, can't say the same about EA.

They ARE EA. bioware is no longer a game company, they're a brand name. A label. Just like EA Sports and EA Play. Obviously to cash in on the name recognition, but their name is starting to get dragged through the mud given whats been going on the last 2 years.

-Polite

[VibrantYacht]

Wolven_Soul wrote...

gmboy902 wrote...

Americ4nPunk wrote...

What if they succeed with Dragon Age 3 and go beyond the stars to create the fated Baldur's Gate 3? Who am I kidding, even I doubt it. The CRPG genre is dwindling down in quality because it costs more money to make a single cut scene than write a giant non voiced script with different permutations on endings, choices, etc.

Haven't played Baldur's Gate games, so I can't comment on that. But I don't see DA 3 making a comeback. Let's face it, when stuff like this happens - when games just lose what they had - it usually doesn't come back. Especially with EA, who is bent on marketing to the masses, which like you said means more cinematics, more flashy effects, and less substance.

For example, Mass Effect. All three games (yep, even 3) are good, but the first one and first one alone had a feeling of discovery and a much less "look at us blowing sh*t up" feel. The story and the music and the setting and missions all fit together, and the galaxy was invigoratingly fresh for a sci-fi game.

For example, KOTOR. First one was great. Second one had gameplay improvements, but the story just kind of flatlined. They dropped that series, until the MMO came out which I've heard is half-decent. Can't comment too much on this, though.

For example, Call of Duty. It eventually just hit a point where the game stopped developing entirely. Modern Warfare 1.3 is all I have to offer for that.

Assassin's Creed seems to be following stuff like this. Better gameplay, sure, but the story just gets worse each game.

My point is, while it is perfectly possible to continue a great series/elements of a series (Zelda, for example), it is not easy to redeem a lost one (the only example I've seen of this is Halo, which just went garbage with ODST/Halo Wars and came back with Reach). Especially if EA is calling your shots. I predict DA3 to be a highly combat-centric, but simplified game with flashy effects, liberal use of CGI, and a decent story.

It's hard to be surprised with them losing a lot of their best writers..  I really hope that your wrong with DA 3.  I really, really want that to be a great game, and there is a lot of potential to make it one.  Your right though about EA.  They are just a virus.
 
Is anyone else starting to think that the world catching up to gaming is actually a bad thing?  It just seems that with all these giant corporations realizing that they can make so much money off of games, grabbing up developers...that it is starting to lessen the quality of games.

Maybe we were better off being under the radar and everyone thinking we were nerds and geeks.

You nailed it. +1

[Karulo]

While I'm not prepared to stick that label on Bioware just yet (I'll wait a few more games to decide), I'm starting to see the EA effect creeping in which worries me; I still remember what they did to Westwood.
In my opinion, the problem is that as so much of it is all about the money now, things are getting progressively more mainstream, which I don't think is beneficial from a creative angle at all, especially when it comes to the story behind the flashy gameplay and graphics.

[sindrie111]

Sadly I think he is correct... also I think bethesda is starting to hit this...

[Pepitobenito]

 In my eyes, Bioware has to do two things to truly redeem themselves.

First, fix or properly ellaborate the Mass Effect 3 ending.  Provide what you promised in the form of multiple (not multi-coloured) endings that reflect the choices we've made, with proper closure to the characters and the series.  Either run with the InDoc theory and complete the story, or eliminate the foolishness that occurs during that time frame and replace it with something that makes sense.

Second, make Dragon Age 3 great.  DA2 was not as terrible as some will claim, and it did a few things right, but it mostly did a lot of things wrong and took away what made DA:O special.  Go back to the richness of Origins and bring the series back from the brink.

If they fail on these points, and provide a lacklustre 'expansion' to ME3's ending, or flub DA3, Bioware is yesterday's news so far as I'm concerned.  I've absolutely loved their legacy up until this point, but this past year or so has made it incredibly hard to stand by Bioware's side.

Modifié par Pepitobenito, 26 mars 2012 - 12:38 .

[Kreid]

Baseless assumption much? So, it seems that because one of their games was "meh" and ME3's ending was dissapointing, BioWare have "reached their limit" and are now a husk because they work for EA?

What a distinctive lack of faith for new talent.

Modifié par Creid-X, 26 mars 2012 - 09:24 .

[Skeejee]

People *always* come and go in an industry though. People are not immortal. Even the two doctors won't live for ever. And I imagine there are so many talented writers out there who grew up with Bioware and would donate limbs to be able to create on the team

Times change. Gaming is seeing it's low quality high output phase (and that's not aimed at Bioware, because I have still loved everything they do. Even DA2. Even ME3 (sans ending)). Give it time.

[thebigbad1013]

Drama aside? Hardly. You state BioWare's demise as a fact, which right there is overly dramatical and just not true.

[vaylander]

"Drama aside...here's some more".