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[Acidrain92]

I must admit, this is a pretty amusing theory.

[raizathestorm]

THAAAAAAAAAAAAT EXPLAINS EVERYTHING

[Asiant]

but we are making the crucible because of the reapers, had reapers not been there, there woulda been no need for the crucible...so

[congokurtz]

This is actually a better idea than what we had to endure in the real ending. Bravo.

[Grasich]

TOO MUCH SPECULATION!!!

[Manton-X2]

And the sad part?  The current ending is so bad that it makes -this- ending something people are seriously contemplating.  I am sadder now than before I read this thread. 

[Ingu]

Whoa... It all makes sense now.

[7he Island Head]

Asiant wrote...

but we are making the crucible because of the reapers, had reapers not been there, there woulda been no need for the crucible...so

NO! As long as the plans for the crucible exist all life is at risk. Removing all copies of the plans would be impossible, for all it would take is one well hidden data drive and all organic life could be lost. The only sure fire way to protect life, is to prevent those with the capcaity of building the Crucible from having the resources to build it. So the reapers harvest all space faring races when the plans are rediscovered, to prevent them from building the machine that will kill all life, while preserving the essence of their civillization. The spare the none space-faring races for they do not have the means to build the Synthetic death machine.

It is a "gate-keeper" strategy that the reapers imploy, anything else is to risky. 

Modifié par 7he Island Head, 25 mars 2012 - 06:15 .

[Grasich]

Manton-X2 wrote...

And the sad part?  The current ending is so bad that it makes -this- ending something people are seriously contemplating.  I am sadder now than before I read this thread. 

It is rather depressing just how far people will go to grasp any emergency induction ports they can find.

[blooregard]

Wow...if they simply "clarify" the endings I want it to be this

Sadly that means that the reapers' existence is flawed since if they never existed nobody would try and build the crucible.

[7he Island Head]

updated the OP

[Ingu]

The Catalyst wants to destroy the universe. The Reapers are the Catalyst's solution/minions, they destroy organic life every 50,000 years to force the creation of the crucible. If they don't build it in time they give up and come back 50,000 years later to try again.

Shepherd finally builds the crucible, becomes first organic to 'get this far'. The Catalyst's dream finally comes true.

Pft! Universe destroyed!

[drak4806.2]

This would actually be a great plot twist.

[Herr Igor]

It's good and it makes sense. But let's be honest, compared the BIOWARE's ending virtually ANYTHING will be easily superior.

[Asharad Hett]

Manton-X2 wrote...

And the sad part?  The current ending is so bad that it makes -this- ending something people are seriously contemplating.  I am sadder now than before I read this thread. 

Agreed.  I hate Bioware for what they have done. 

[7he Island Head]

updated the OP

[jspiess]

Lots of speculation for everyone

[7he Island Head]

jspiess wrote...

Lots of speculation for everyone

Speculations belong in this thread 
http://social.biowar.../index/10492871

This thread we're in now is srs bsns

[omnic]

7he Island Head wrote...

What if the Cruicble is the synthetic that kills all life in the galaxy?????  And the Reapers are trying to stop you from making it! No one knows what the cruicble does so it probably is the synthetic that kills all the organics! It's the only thing that is built every cycle!

It explains everything!

As long as the plans for the crucible exist all life is at risk. Removing all copies of the plans would be impossible, for all it would take is one well hidden data drive and all organic life could be lost. The only sure fire way to protect life, is to prevent those with the capcaity of building the Crucible from having the resources to build it. So the reapers harvest all space faring races when the plans are rediscovered, to prevent them from building the machine that will kill all life, while preserving the essence of their civillization. The spare the none space-faring races for they do not have the means to build the Synthetic death machine.

Important dates
2148 - Humans discover the plans on Mars
2157 - Humans make contact with Turians
Information becomes interconnected -> the reapers learn that plans have been discovered
2183 - ME1 -> Sovereign is aware of that the plans have been found, tries to start the cycle
2185 - ME2 -> Harbinger attempts to construct human reaper -> this reaper with the collect knowledge of humanity would be put to use in finding the plans for the Crucible and destroying them.
2185- ME3 -> Liara finds the plans in Mars Archives, which have been so far overlooked  -> DOOMS EVERYONE
                     -> Reapers use Cerberus to medel with the construction of the Crucible -> Due human genetics TIM is                             hard to control 


Who are the Reapers? 
The reapers we probably the last creations of the orginal builders of the Crucible, who probably were killed by the Cruicble but somehow stopped it, probably by seprating Catalyst from it. The aliens that build the Crucible died, and realized with the plans of the Crucible would live on, an all organic life following them would find the plans and build their own destruction. Hence why the reaper cycles.

There is a fatal flaw in your theory.
The crucible requires the citadel to work.
The reapers made the citadel and in mass effect 3 actually gain total control over it.
If the reapers true purpose was to stop the crucible from being used they would of destroyed the citadel.

[Ingu]

What's ingenius is that if the Catalyst is the real 'big bad', then the Reapers would be actively trying to destroy the organics, and prevent them from building the Crucible, in order to prevent the Catalyst from destroying EVERYTHING using it, including the Reapers themselves.

So whenever the races reach a stage where they are technologically capable of building the thing (every 50,000 years or so), they invade en masse to wipe them out. Because the chaos of the organics ensures that they -will- build these 'weapons' in their wars against each other.

Alternately, they may be under the influence of the Catalyst without being fully conscious of it, so the Catalyst is just lying/using the Reapers as its tool, to encourage the building of the crucible.

So Shepherd did end the cycle, but by playing right into the Catalyst's shimmery blue hands.

[Taldek]

lol this is actually better than all the indoc theory and act ending speculation flying around.

[Ingu]

omnic wrote...

There is a fatal flaw in your theory.
The crucible requires the citadel to work.
The reapers made the citadel and in mass effect 3 actually gain total control over it.
If the reapers true purpose was to stop the crucible from being used they would of destroyed the citadel.

But the catalyst also says that the reapers are his solution, implying he has some sort of control over their actions. It is entirely possible the Reapers aren't entirely aware that they're being manipulated, or even if they do, have no choice but to play into the Catalyst's plans and hope they kill the organics fast enough.

tl;dr, the reapers didn't destroy the citadel because the catalyst wouldn't let them


Alternatively the Reapers may not be true AIs. Even Shepherd suggests at one stage that he/she may just be an 'advanced VI which thinks it's Commander Shepherd'. It could be the same case with the Reapers, they're not true synthetic 'AI's, but are operating under some sort of misconceptions or secret constraints, despite believing otherwise.

Modifié par Ingu, 25 mars 2012 - 07:20 .

[TheMadBlimper]

Too bad Javik told us he saw us walking around as primitives who lived in caves. We couldn't have evolved to the point we are now if the crucible killed everyone at the end of the last cycle, right?

[7he Island Head]

omnic wrote...

There is a fatal flaw in your theory.
The crucible requires the citadel to work.
The reapers made the citadel and in mass effect 3 actually gain total control over it.
If the reapers true purpose was to stop the crucible from being used they would of destroyed the citadel.

The Citadel is also the largest mass effect relay, it is way to dangerous to destroy. (see Arrival dlc). Safest thing to do is to seperate the Crucible from the Cataylst making it impossible for the synthetic to activate its death space magic.