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[DeadPoolX]

Legion64 wrote...

lol is that what we call 90% of the community now? Vocal minority? Lol

The thing is people who liked the game (or at least felt content with it) don't bother to post.  Why should they?  Who in their right mind would ever think, "I really like this game, but just in case no one else does, I'd better log online and post everywhere about that!" 

No, the people who post are those with complaints.  It's not just ME3, either.  Look all over the Internet and you'll see the vast majority of posts regarding any product or topic are those that complain or otherwise bash it.

Even the total number of ME fans on this board pales in comparison to the total number of fans all over the world.  I'm sure there are far more fans who don't post on here (regardles of their feelings on this game) than those who do.

So suggesting that those who dislike or hate ME3 is a "vocal minority" probably holds more truth to it than not.

Modifié par DeadPoolMK, 25 mars 2012 - 06:33 .

[XTR3M3]

it is funny to me that people use terms like "vocal minority" to try and marginalize our opinion. When it all comes down to it, BioWare is going to do what they decide is in their best interest. If you look at the internet, it looks like someone set off an "ending dislike" bomb that sprayed shrapnel everywhere. BioWare has acknowledged the "ending crowd". I hope they decide to give us more ending options. If they don't, the rest of the game is still awesome even with its flaws.

I am glad the OP loved the entire game. I loved it up until the end. I have played it more than once but now I stop at Harbinger and just start another game. I am a little jealous of the OP. I SO wanted to love the ending.

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my signature says it all....

Modifié par XTR3M3, 25 mars 2012 - 06:36 .

[Rockworm503]

Rogue Unit wrote...

lol vocal minority

We'll be the vocal minority if every person who bought the game hated the ending 

[Dark Eff3ct]

The game is fantastic... until it forces me to pickmy favorite color... I WANT THE OPTION TO TAST THE RAINBOW

[Tahlec]

Draemian wrote...

At best what you are suggesting Tahlec would lead to the conclusion that only a minority of players liked the endings. And based on anyone I've talked to, read or searched for (based on polls, forum posts, groups, twitter messages sent to bioware/masseffect etc) those who absolutely hated the endings far outnumber those who liked the endings or felt they did the game justice at all.

I would agree with this.  I do believe that more people would rate the ending a 1 or 2 than would rate it a 9 or 10. But I think many folks on these boards have a very skewed perception of what percentage actually participate in internet-based discussion/polls.  If you're opinion of the game is: "Great game.  Ending was just okay.", do you really think you're going to be checking/posting on these forums several times a day and making sure your voice is heard?  I'm sorry, but it IS a vocal minority that are outraged by the ending.  I know they can't see that, but they're all standing in a small room screaming "Yeah!" and thinking the whole world is with them.

Unfortunately, unlike political polls where they randomly sample registered voters, etc., trying to extrapolate these "come vote if you care enough" polls to the whole population doesn't work the same.

Regardless, my hope is that a few voices with recognition of Bioware's hard work and amazing accomplishment can make it through the shouting once in a while.  I know what it's like to spend a portion of your life pouring all of your creativity into something and I can only think of how hard it must be on the developers to have the main discourse be so negative when they actually made something so incredible.

[Tazzmission]

Tahlec wrote...

I'm in the middle of my second playthrough and am just in awe of the amount of heart that went into this game.  It just makes me sad that a vocal minority have cast such a negative light on one of the best games ever made.  (And, yes, you are a minority. The majority neither love nor hate the ending, and they don't vote in polls or post in forums.)

Bioware, thank you for a phenomenal game.  Your team should be proud.

i 100% agree op


i do believe the vocal minority is making it out to be way more than it is honestly


i do agree yea the endings couldve been better but im still happy regardless

[Tahlec]

DeadPoolMK wrote...

Legion64 wrote...

lol is that what we call 90% of the community now? Vocal minority? Lol

The thing is people who liked the game (or at least felt content with it) don't bother to post.  Why should they?  Who in their right mind would ever think, "I really like this game, but just in case no one else does, I'd better log online and post everywhere about that!" 

No, the people who post are those with complaints.  It's not just ME3, either.  Look all over the Internet and you'll see the vast majority of posts regarding any product or topic are those that complain or otherwise bash it.

Even the total number of ME fans on this board pales in comparison to the total number of fans all over the world.  I'm sure there are far more fans who don't post on here (regardles of their feelings on this game) than those who do.

So suggesting that those who dislike or hate ME3 is a "vocal minority" probably holds more truth to it than not.

This.

[KyuzoS7]

JBONE27 wrote...

Lincoln MuaDib wrote...

99% of the game is pure WIN.

The final 1% is pure FAIL.

This is my opinion, worth no more than less than anyone else's.

This

replay value knowing what happens in the end shoots it down.

only reason i replay at all is different LI going after that blue ass this time around

[Talon2000uk]

DeadPoolMK wrote...

Legion64 wrote...

lol is that what we call 90% of the community now? Vocal minority? Lol

The thing is people who liked the game (or at least felt content with it) don't bother to post.  Why should they?  Who in their right mind would ever think, "I really like this game, but just in case no one else does, I'd better log online and post everywhere about that!" 

No, the people who post are those with complaints.  It's not just ME3, either.  Look all over the Internet and you'll see the vast majority of posts regarding any product or topic are those that complain or otherwise bash it.

Even the total number of ME fans on this board pales in comparison to the total number of fans all over the world.  I'm sure there are far more fans who don't post on here (regardles of their feelings on this game) than those who do.

So suggesting that those who dislike or hate ME3 is a "vocal minority" probably holds more truth to it than not.

I've got a lot of freinds who played ME3, from newcomers to long time fans and not one, not one thought the ending was great. 

Call this hear say, call it subjective, call it an unreliable sample if you like, but I've yet to meet anyone in real life who wasn't pissed off with the ending.

I you choose to belive that you are in the majority, thats fine, I'm sure its a comfort to you to think that, but don't for a moment belive its true.  

Modifié par Talon2000uk, 25 mars 2012 - 06:47 .

[morrisrevan]

Lincoln MuaDib wrote...

99% of the game is pure WIN.

The final 1% is pure FAIL.

This is my opinion, worth no more than less than anyone else's.

Spot on, MuaDib.

[Tazzmission]

wastelander75 wrote...

I still shake my head at people who think this is still a "minority" movement. IF that was the case BioWare wouldn't be backing down from their "artistic statement" of Mass Effect 3's ending.And leave it AS - IS

backing down? if anything the so called movment lied through there teeth by saying they would give you something if you donated to chairty


the take back movment imo took it upon themselves to guilt trip bioware into doing such a thing

heck one nutjob went as far to go to the ftc and cry like some child because he didnt get what he want

Modifié par Tazzmission, 25 mars 2012 - 06:53 .

[Talon2000uk]

Tahlec wrote...

Regardless, my hope is that a few voices with recognition of Bioware's hard work and amazing accomplishment can make it through the shouting once in a while.  I know what it's like to spend a portion of your life pouring all of your creativity into something and I can only think of how hard it must be on the developers to have the main discourse be so negative when they actually made something so incredible.

The Crazy thing is we agree with you, All of us love the game, I'd go so far as to say that the games most vocal supporters are the Retake movement, the reason they care enough to lobby for a different ending is because they care about the series so much and Bioware as a company. 

It's a tribute to Bioware and all they have accomplished with Mass Effect that people are so shocked and unhappy with the ending as it stands. If people weren't invested so much due to Bioware's amazing writing and characters they would not be so upset. They would have moved on and said "ah well whatever, what's next?"

I've played loads of games with bad endings, Deus Ex HR springs to mind they did exactly the same thing as ME3's pick your colour ending, not once did I think of lobbying the Devs for a better ending. Know why? Because I didn't care. It was a good game but I wasn't invested. 

With ME3 I am and it kills me to see such a great series of games marred by, well just by such a badly written, plot whole ridded, mess of an ending. 

Modifié par Talon2000uk, 25 mars 2012 - 06:57 .

[Talon2000uk]

Tazzmission wrote...

wastelander75 wrote...

I still shake my head at people who think this is still a "minority" movement. IF that was the case BioWare wouldn't be backing down from their "artistic statement" of Mass Effect 3's ending.And leave it AS - IS

backing down? if anything the so called movment lied through there teeth by saying they would give you something if you donated to chairty


the take back movment imo took it upon themselves to guilt trip bioware into doing such a thing

heck one nutjob went as far to go to the ftc and cry like some child because he didnt get what he want

What? Where exactly did the Take Back movement promise anything if you gave to charity. Link please.

[AdmiralJacket]

Talon2000uk wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

wastelander75 wrote...

I still shake my head at people who think this is still a "minority" movement. IF that was the case BioWare wouldn't be backing down from their "artistic statement" of Mass Effect 3's ending.And leave it AS - IS

backing down? if anything the so called movment lied through there teeth by saying they would give you something if you donated to chairty


the take back movment imo took it upon themselves to guilt trip bioware into doing such a thing

heck one nutjob went as far to go to the ftc and cry like some child because he didnt get what he want

What? Where exactly did the Take Back movement promise anything if you gave to charity. Link please.

I haven't heard anything about this either. 

[Gallimatia]

It is a good game. I've done many playthroughs even if I stop before the ending since my second. Not so much because I hate it but because it's the same every time and rather slow and bothersome to go through. The ending is not only bad it's also very boring is what I'm saying.

Personally I'm perfectly willing to ignore the ending and start a new playthrough when it draws near. No biggie. The ending is the least important part of any story. It's the easiest part to pass over and unlike any other of no consequence to how one experience the rest. You need a beginning to make and make sense of a middle and a middle to make and make sense of an end but the end is only there for itself. It's almost superfluous. A disjointed story can still bring plenty of value if (some of) the parts are up to par. This is why books like Crime and Punishment that have crappy endings or the Process that was never finished can still be held in high regard. The parts that are good and finished are good and finished and they are good enough to merit a positive assessment. This is true for ME3 aswell.

Now when you replay the game you may be negativly affected by the terrible ending but that is not a given. It's metagaming and while I'm not against it per se and don't belive anyone can totally rise above it so to speak one can at least try. My Shepards don't know they are in for a bad ending and I can to some extent roleplay that.

Interestingly I think most "end-haters" overrate the game and give it more praise than it is deserving of. The game up until the end that is. In the end threads you'd think you were dealing with the game of the century or some such. Perhaps because they haven't gotten around to multiple playthroughs. When they get to it and fully experience how formulaic the game is with for instance dead characters having their roles filled in ways that almost escape notice and see how little freedom there is to roleplay Shepards that differ from the standard mold not to mention how repetitive the gameplay gets I think they will need to reevalute their assessment of the initial 99 %.

Modifié par Gallimatia, 26 mars 2012 - 01:11 .

[turian councilor Knockout]

Wrong ! if 88 % hate the ending here then it most likely continue such everywhere but you obviously fail to realise that not all are vocal about it, yes i HATED it but did i join a stupid petition NO it's not a vocal minority that you can be sure of.

[Talon2000uk]

turian councilor Knockout wrote...

Wrong ! if 88 % hate the ending here then it most likely continue such everywhere but you obviously fail to realise that not all are vocal about it, yes i HATED it but did i join a stupid petition NO it's not a vocal minority that you can be sure of.

This

[shinyelf]

turian councilor Knockout wrote...

Wrong ! if 88 % hate the ending here then it most likely continue such everywhere but you obviously fail to realise that not all are vocal about it, yes i HATED it but did i join a stupid petition NO it's not a vocal minority that you can be sure of.

Statistics require a random sample from the crowd, or in this case players, and if you only listen to those who visit the forum you are just fabricating numbers to support your cause.

[DaUglyHamstar]

People who enjoy them game just play the game.
People who don't post on forums (fora?).
It's inpossible to tell how big or small the percentage of unsatisfied players is, although unhappy people tend to be more vocal then happy ones.

[UnstableMongoose]

shinyelf wrote...

Statistics require a random sample from the crowd, or in this case players, and if you only listen to those who visit the forum you are just fabricating numbers to support your cause.

^^This. It is a well known fact that people who are incensed will always be more likely to say something in public than people who are satisfied or pleased, it's just human nature. The fact that people who dislike the ending outnumber people who like it on the forums is irrelevant--not only are the people who dislike scientifically more likely to post, the sheer ferocity of the holy flame war initiated on these forums against people supporting the endings and against employees of Bioware is driving people who do not agree with a hardline crowd away.

But this is not really terribly pertinent, in my opinion.

The number of people posting on these forums already represents an extreme minority of people who own the game. By the very definition, any post accusing people who dislike the ending on these forums as being a "vocal minority" is techincally correct. However, this is irrelevant, for a variety of reasons. Simply dismissing the people who dislike the ending as a "vocal minority" rather than listening to what they have to say and discussing it with them is a pointless exercise.

I, despite supporting the endings myself, have had great conversations with people who do not. And while statistically it is true that people angry about the endings are more likely to breach civility first on these forums, that is also irrelevant: those of us who like the ending have no right to flame or disrespect people who do not just because people who are on their side are more likely to start the flaming or disrespecting. This is a forum. It's about a conversation, not about a shouting match (yes, I know, that's an odd statement to have about an internet forum, but this one in particular used to be better than that--some of you old timers will remember what I speak of).

I know many are tired of this soul-sucking negativity, but it's never going to end if we who like the ending aren't and those who dislike the ending aren't equally as eager to stop the flame war and start respecting one another. Simply dismissing one side or the other as a "vocal minority" is never going to accomplish this.

[SirPetrakus]

I'm not going to comment on the gameplay or the characters. The story consisted mostly of compressed, disjointed stories/chapters that had little impact on one another. Plus, it was extremely linear, barring the few and far in between N7 missions. Alpha Protocol's choice and consequence puts it to shame.

On the technical department. Texture pop-in, but that is a known Unreal engine glitch, not BioWare's fault. Mostly clipping issues, freezes, frame rate issues, of course the face import bug and the problem a lot of people are getting that the game won't even start, even though it worked up until yesterday.

ME2 wasn't an marvel of technical excellence, but it really says something when the third instalment of a game, made in the game engine as the previous two, manages to be more bugged than those two games combined. It makes New Vegas seem like a technically excellent game.

A good game, yes. Phenomenal ... no. Baldur's Gate was phenomenal.

[Shunt Mcblunt]

Okay, the game was near perfect but the ending was not. The last thing that happens in a game gets a majority of the input.

[majormajormmajor]

Strawmen and ad hominems are the weapons of choice for the pro-ending crowd.