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[UnstableMongoose]

majormajormmajor wrote...

Strawmen and ad hominems are the weapons of choice for the pro-ending crowd.

Strawmen and ad hominems are used in some arguments that people make to support the endings. I think the OP made a significant mistake by bringing up the now-inane "vocal minority" agrument, which has been used by both sides with complete lack of any proof supporting such a claim.

But to ignore the fact that such fallacies are employed just as, if not more, frequently by the "anti-ending crowd" is simply self-serving. Broken argument has, and always will be the vehicle for all forum discussions made by those who cannot think rationally for themselves. Simply saying that one person, or several people, on one side of a forum divide did it does not make you correct. It is, in fact, a strawman argument in of itself in some ways.

The broad generalization that you have just made is a discredit to everyone who agrees with you. You should endeavour to be a better representative of the "anti-ending crowd"--heaven knows they need and deserve such representatives with so many of their compatriots running amock in a flame war that will burn this forum to the ground if it isn't stopped soon.

[Dridengx]

and there go the trolls. geez they waste no time posting. Glad you enjoyed ME3. GOTY thus far

Modifié par Dridengx, 25 mars 2012 - 08:06 .

[Dridengx]

XTR3M3 wrote...

 BioWare is going to do what they decide is in their best interest. If you look at the internet, it looks like someone set off an "ending dislike" bomb that sprayed shrapnel everywhere. BioWare has acknowledged the "ending crowd". I hope they decide to give us more ending options.

Hope is a funny thing

Modifié par Dridengx, 25 mars 2012 - 08:08 .

[-Skorpious-]

Playing through a 15 minute sequence that destroys/negates 75+ hours of personal investment in a beautifully crafted universe can be pretty upsetting, yes.

[MsKlaussen]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Anthropophobic wrote...

Every time someone uses the term "vocal minority" to describe those of us who have been enraged by the ending of ME3, it makes me a little sad, because it reminds me of the way the winds are blowing. Mass Effect isn't our series anymore, and as long as there are enough Call of Dudebros just getting into the series to make up for those of us who have been alienated by it, our opinions don't matter.

Aaaaaaaand "Call of Dudebros" is where you lose all credibility with anyone who isn't a condescending douche. Just, you know, in case you were wondering.

And where condescending douches are concerned, you've got to be some sort of Yoda, from what I've seen in this thread of your non-stop sarcasm and sneering aloofness. That'll prove them wrong.

[HenchxNarf]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Tahlec wrote...
vocal minority

Obvious troll is very obvious. 

I think you need to get it through your very thick skull that just because they have an opinion other than your own, it does not make them a troll.

It does, however, make you look bad.

[Fuzrum77]

Lincoln MuaDib wrote...

99% of the game is pure WIN.

The final 1% is pure FAIL.

This is my opinion, worth no more than less than anyone else's.

Yup.

[DeadPoolX]

Why did BioWare back down if it's only a "vocal minority" complaining? Simple. By appearing to appease those who're annoyed, they not only make amends (or at least extend an olive branch), but get to earn more money in the process by releasing an ending DLC.

It's a win-win situation for all involved: those who didn't have a problem with the ending won't care; those who hated the ending will get what they presumably want, and BioWare will make a profit.

Oh and to clarify, I don't love the ending.  I don't hate it, but I don't love it.  After thinking about it for a while and learning about the "Indoctrination Theory," I'm content with it.  It's not my dream ending, but it hasn't scarred me for life, either.

Modifié par DeadPoolMK, 25 mars 2012 - 08:19 .

[Lili_oups]

Tahlec wrote...

I'm in the middle of my second playthrough and am just in awe of the amount of heart that went into this game.  It just makes me sad that a vocal minority have cast such a negative light on one of the best games ever made.  (And, yes, you are a minority. The majority neither love nor hate the ending, and they don't vote in polls or post in forums.)

Bioware, thank you for a phenomenal game.  Your team should be proud.

Do some research its ACTUALY the majority....
And the negativity is ONLY for the cheap ending
Beside that yes its a phenomenal game

[HenchxNarf]

OP, I'm glad you enjoyed it. Don't let the trolls get you down.

Modifié par HenchxNarf, 25 mars 2012 - 08:22 .

[DeadPoolX]

Lili_oups wrote...

Tahlec wrote...

I'm in the middle of my second playthrough and am just in awe of the amount of heart that went into this game.  It just makes me sad that a vocal minority have cast such a negative light on one of the best games ever made.  (And, yes, you are a minority. The majority neither love nor hate the ending, and they don't vote in polls or post in forums.)

Bioware, thank you for a phenomenal game.  Your team should be proud.

Do some research its ACTUALY the majority....
And the negativity is ONLY for the cheap ending
Beside that yes its a phenomenal game

You see, even if everyone on this board agreed that the endings were terrible, we'd all still be a vocal minority.  The entire ME posting population on the BSN is a fraction of the world's total ME fans.  Most of them probably can't be bothered to register and post, so even if they like or hate the ending, to them it's simply not worth the effort to log on and write anything. 

I wouldn't be surprised if the sole reason some of them stay away is they don't want to endure the abuse they'll receive on here from various people.  Let's face it, few online message boards are well known for their tolerant and accepting behavior.  BSN, I'm sorry to say, doesn't fit into that category either.

Modifié par DeadPoolMK, 25 mars 2012 - 08:24 .

[tetrisblock4x1]

Draemian wrote...

At best what you are suggesting Tahlec would lead to the conclusion that only a minority of players liked the endings. And based on anyone I've talked to, read or searched for (based on polls, forum posts, groups, twitter messages sent to bioware/masseffect etc) those who absolutely hated the endings shepard dying a sad death as opposed to building a house with Tali on Rannarchfar outnumber those who liked the endings or felt they did the game justice at all.

Fixed for accuracy. I don't care what BSN says about the plotholes, the polls are quite clear that Shepards fate depressed them.

[Lili_oups]

Gigamantis wrote...

The game is really good.

The future DLC is going to suck, though. The developers will be adding stuff specifically to stop the complaining instead of adding what they actually want to the game. I won't be buying any DLC because it's all tainted by the fans now.

You got that right...DAY ONE BUY for me
No need casuals-new comers to the series from ME3 to ruin this epic franchise from us
The fans made what bioware is today....and they are one of the FEW companies who ACTUALY listen to their fans.

Modifié par Lili_oups, 25 mars 2012 - 08:23 .

[Zhuinden]

Tahlec wrote...

I'm in the middle of my second playthrough and am just in awe of the amount of heart that went into this game.  It just makes me sad that a vocal minority have cast such a negative light on one of the best games ever made.  (And, yes, you are a minority. The majority neither love nor hate the ending, and they don't vote in polls or post in forums.)

Bioware, thank you for a phenomenal game.  Your team should be proud.

Just check the few sites I have ME3 ending related in my sig, and you'll see what the problem is.

It truly is a phenomenal game. But why on earth did they just dismiss all the promises they had made?
If the rachni had been important in the end, and there had been 16 different endings, even just TEXT-BASED like in DAO - there would not have been such an uproar.

[AtreiyaN7]

I enjoyed the game too, but I would seriously recommend that you stay away from the "vocal minority" thing since it takes away from your point and is the kind of thing that only serves to incite flaming. Doesn't really help with the tensions on both sides.

[Lili_oups]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Buffy-Summers wrote...

I am proud that the team has gathered so much loyalty over 2 other games that people will still defend the ending of the last game.

The ending of this game was garbage and no other reason can be found for people to defend it.

Well that's just like, your opinion, man.

Not only for him....again its from the majority deal with it
the ending was trash...well said buffy

Modifié par Lili_oups, 25 mars 2012 - 08:30 .

[HenchxNarf]

Lili_oups wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Buffy-Summers wrote...

I am proud that the team has gathered so much loyalty over 2 other games that people will still defend the ending of the last game.

The ending of this game was garbage and no other reason can be found for people to defend it.

Well that's just like, your opinion, man.

Not only for him....again its from the majority minority deal with it
the ending was trash...well said jerusalem

Fixed it for you.

[killnoob]

A) you are a not true fan
you are too stupid to understand there are tons of "PLOTHOLES"
C) you are being paid by Bioware/EA
D) you love playing immature brainless FPS/action game
E) you are part of the minority, deal with it 

pick your choice

Modifié par killnoob, 25 mars 2012 - 08:35 .

[Lili_oups]

DeadPoolMK wrote...

Legion64 wrote...

lol is that what we call 90% of the community now? Vocal minority? Lol

The thing is people who liked the game (or at least felt content with it) don't bother to post.

Same for those who didnt like the game....stop talking for one side only....
They might not post here but i know tons of ppl who post elsewhere about the ending.

Still tho the majority are the complains about the ending

[HenchxNarf]

killnoob wrote...

A) you are a not true fan
you are too stupid to understand there are tons of "PLOTHOLES"
C) you are being paid by Bioware/EA
D) you love playing immature brainless FPS/action game

pick your choice

Now, you I like. <3

[Nezzer]

This vocal minority argument is completely ridiculous. People who use it know absolutely nothing about sampling in business administration. I guess they should also condemn the US election system since it's a vocal minority that elects the president.

[turian councilor Knockout]

shinyelf wrote...

turian councilor Knockout wrote...

Wrong ! if 88 % hate the ending here then it most likely continue such everywhere but you obviously fail to realise that not all are vocal about it, yes i HATED it but did i join a stupid petition NO it's not a vocal minority that you can be sure of.

Statistics require a random sample from the crowd, or in this case players, and if you only listen to those who visit the forum you are just fabricating numbers to support your cause.

Not entirely true i know a lot of ME players in fact who don't are here on BSN and hate the endings, you may think it's not true but the haters are not a minority which would show if Bioware created some way to show overall expressions of the game, you think most people like sloppy works who force you to conjure up your own ending in your head btw it's not WRONG to like the ending not to hate it either sure the negativity can be annoying if it's continues but Bioware damn well needs to hear it.

Modifié par turian councilor Knockout, 25 mars 2012 - 08:39 .

[Lili_oups]

Tazzmission wrote...

wastelander75 wrote...

I still shake my head at people who think this is still a "minority" movement. IF that was the case BioWare wouldn't be backing down from their "artistic statement" of Mass Effect 3's ending.And leave it AS - IS

backing down? if anything the so called movment lied through there teeth by saying they would give you something if you donated to chairty


the take back movment imo took it upon themselves to guilt trip bioware into doing such a thing

heck one nutjob went as far to go to the ftc and cry like some child because he didnt get what he want

Since ur the one who loved the ending i say ur the one who gonna cry when bioware will change/twist the ending not us believe me lol

[HenchxNarf]

turian councilor Knockout wrote...

shinyelf wrote...

turian councilor Knockout wrote...

Wrong ! if 88 % hate the ending here then it most likely continue such everywhere but you obviously fail to realise that not all are vocal about it, yes i HATED it but did i join a stupid petition NO it's not a vocal minority that you can be sure of.

Statistics require a random sample from the crowd, or in this case players, and if you only listen to those who visit the forum you are just fabricating numbers to support your cause.

Not entirely true i know a lot of ME players in fact who don't are here on BSN and hate the endings, you may think it's not true but the haters are not a minority which would show if Bioware created some way to show overall expressions of the game, you think most people like sloppy works who force you to conjure up your own ending in your head.

Just because your friends hate the game, doesn't make the ones that do a majority.

[HenchxNarf]

Lili_oups wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

wastelander75 wrote...

I still shake my head at people who think this is still a "minority" movement. IF that was the case BioWare wouldn't be backing down from their "artistic statement" of Mass Effect 3's ending.And leave it AS - IS

backing down? if anything the so called movment lied through there teeth by saying they would give you something if you donated to chairty


the take back movment imo took it upon themselves to guilt trip bioware into doing such a thing

heck one nutjob went as far to go to the ftc and cry like some child because he didnt get what he want

Since ur the one who loved the ending i say ur the one who gonna cry when bioware will change/twist the ending not us believe me lol

Other than the fact that they aren't changing the ending. Only clarifying it.