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[Lmaoboat]

bobobo878 wrote...

Simpfan wrote...

Nothing like purposefully saving a raving lunatic who goes around mind****ing people to death out of some ****ed up philosophy of being the "genetic destiny of the asari"

give me a break, shes coocoo bananas and good riddance

Still a better person than Samara.

Morinth is a worse than the Illusive Man or the reapers.

[Bigdoser]

Orthodox Infidel wrote...

Red Dust wrote...

Would it have been such a great stretch of the budget to put her in place of Samara, attempting to rescue and liberate her sisters?

Morinth is a total psychopath. Why would she risk herself to save her sisters?

Actually if you check the shadow broker terminal morinith does care about her sisters and when I read it I expected her to take samara place for the mission. 

[MjK]

Dresden867 wrote...

She's like the incarnation of nasty emo doom goth psychopath stereotypes.

Sorry, you're describing Jack from ME2.

Modifié par MjK, 25 mars 2012 - 06:54 .

[ObserverStatus]

Lmaoboat wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

Simpfan wrote...
Nothing like purposefully saving a raving lunatic who goes around mind****ing people to death out of some ****ed up philosophy of being the "genetic destiny of the asari"
give me a break, shes coocoo bananas and good riddance

Still a better person than Samara.

Morinth is a worse than the Illusive Man or the reapers.

I guess Samara is too then.

Modifié par bobobo878, 25 mars 2012 - 06:55 .

[Lmaoboat]

bobobo878 wrote...

Lmaoboat wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

Simpfan wrote...
Nothing like purposefully saving a raving lunatic who goes around mind****ing people to death out of some ****ed up philosophy of being the "genetic destiny of the asari"
give me a break, shes coocoo bananas and good riddance

Still a better person than Samara.

Morinth is a worse than the Illusive Man or the reapers.

I guess Samara is too than.

Nope.

[MjK]

^ Strong arguments. ^

[Bigdoser]

I think we can agree that they are both dangerous morinith is a space succubus and samara is a uber hardcore lunatic paladin.

[ObserverStatus]

Lmaoboat wrote...
Nope.

Morinth and Samara are bother murderers, but at least Morinth is honest with herself about what she does. Morinth may not have a religious code to justify killing Nef, but that does not make this act any more monsterous than the murders Samara commits. If Shepard hadn't come to her rescue, Samara would have murdered that cop on Illium just for doing her job.

Samara said she saw him kill an unarmed civilian, but she didn't bother to stop and ask him why she killed that person. Being a Spectre, Nihilus could have had a very good reason for killing that person. The person Nihlus killed could have been a spy, who would have put people in danger with the information he would have sent if Nihlus had killed him later. Or, he could have been a terrorist, bearing a concealed weapon of mass destruction that Samara did not see. But Samara herself said that she did not know why Nihlus killed him.

When Samara said that she didn't need to know why she was helping you eradicate the collectors, saying "If I have to kill a man, do I need to know he's a loving father?" it revealed a deeply disturbing facet of her character. Samara simply does not care to know if what she does is wrong. After she discovered that her daughters were ardat-yakshi she ceased to trust in her own judgement, and being too afraid to make her own choices anymore, she lets her code think for her. For all she knew, Nihlus could have just saved more lives than she ever will, but that doesn't matter to her because allowing her code to think for her saves her from having to make hard choices.

I'm not saying it's okay for Morinth to commit serial murder against hipsters on Omega, but Samara is a trigger happy zealot meddling in galactic security affairs that she simply does not care to understand. At least when Morinth murders in cold blood, she doesn't put galactic security at risk.

Modifié par bobobo878, 27 mars 2012 - 06:14 .

[csmokey]

I want DLC so that I have the option of saving her, and chritophers titus dad said it best, "son, anybody can have a "relationship", but when you're in the sack with someone who is so crazy that if you're not wearing your Kevlar you might not wake up in the morning, well that's exciting."

[ObserverStatus]

jreezy wrote...
Must...resist...urge...to...like...Morinth.

Those were mostly just reasons not to like Samara, but Morinth is quite likeable nonetheless.

Modifié par bobobo878, 25 mars 2012 - 07:35 .

[MjK]

Morinth is enslaved by her genetic condition, she's is a serial killer because she has embraced freedom.

Let me remind you this.

The condition is impossible to identify until the asari reaches maturity, by which time it is too late to correct. When diagnosed, afflicted asari are given a choice: live in isolation or be executed. The asari do this to the Ardat-Yakshi because it is an addictive condition; they feel compelled to mate, and the compulsion grows stronger each time they succeed.

She knew the risks of this freedom, maybe she thought she could handle this.


What would you do if because of your DNA  your society condemns you ? 

Modifié par MjK, 25 mars 2012 - 07:37 .

[Flashflame58]

bobobo878 wrote...
Morinth and Samara are bother murderers, but at least Morinth is honest with herself about what she does. Morinth may not have a religious code to justify killing Nef, but that does not make this act any more monsterous than the murders Samara commits. If Shepard hadn't come to her rescue, Samara would have murdered that cop on Illium just for doing her job.

Samara said she saw him kill an unarmed civilian, but she didn't bother to stop and ask him why she killed that person. Being a Spectre, Nihilus could have had a very good reason for killing that person. The person Nihlus killed could have been a spy, who would have put people in danger with the information he would have sent if Nihlus had killed him later. Or, he could have been a terrorist, bearing a concealed weapon of mass destruction that Samara did not see. But Samara herself said that she did not know why Nihlus killed him.

When Samara said that she didn't need to know why she was helping you eradicate the collectors, saying "If I have to kill a man, do I need to know he's a loving father?" it revealed a deeply disturbing facet of her character. Samara simply does not care to know if what she does is wrong. After she discovered that her daughters were ardat-yakshi she ceased to trust in her own judgement, and being too afraid to make her own choices anymore, she lets her code think for her. For all she knew, Nihlus could have just saved more lives than she ever will, but that doesn't matter to her because allowing her code to think for her saves her from having to make hard choices.

I'm not saying it's okay for Morinth to commit serial murder against hipsters on Omega, but Samara is a trigger happy zealot meddling in galactic security affairs that she simply does not care to understand. At least when Morinth murders in cold blood, she put galactic security at risk.

Thank you for helping me see the monster that is Samara.

[ObserverStatus]

Flashflame58 wrote...
Thank you for helping me see the monster that is Samara.

It's what I'm here for.

[shadey]

I didn't even see her in banshee form on the one character I picked her over samara on.

so yeah, no fun times.

[Tilarta]

Red Dust wrote...

Would it have been such a great stretch of the budget to put her in place of Samara, attempting to rescue and liberate her sisters?

Morinth would throw her sisters at the Reapers to buy herself time to escape while saying "Make them into Banshees! We need bigger, eviler Ardat-Yakshi!"

If she ended up being a Banshee, it serves her right!

Not that I know how would have worked, I took the simple practical solution of having Samara do her heel dance on Morinth.
Word to the wise, if Samara has planned to do this dance with you, have your funeral preplanned and a coroner standing by.

[ObserverStatus]

Tilarta wrote...
Morinth would throw her sisters at the Reapers to buy herself time to escape while saying "Make them into Banshees! We need bigger, eviler Ardat-Yakshi!"
If she ended up being a Banshee, it serves her right!

Nuh uh, She's a good person.  Didn't you read her emails?

Tilarta wrote... 
Not that I know how would have worked, I took the simple practical solution of having Samara do her heel dance on Morinth.
Word to the wise, if Samara has planned to do this dance with you, have your funeral preplanned and a coroner standing by.

Nah, she aint so tough, just use biotic charge and nova a lot.  It works on everything.  And if your Shepard isn't a Vangaurd, just put her in a situation where she'd have to kill an innocent person to get to you.

[Lmaoboat]

bobobo878 wrote...



Morinth and Samara are bother murderers, but at least Morinth is honest with herself about what she does. Morinth may not have a religious code to justify killing Nef, but that does not make this act any more monsterous than the murders Samara commits. If Shepard hadn't come to her rescue, Samara would have murdered that cop on Illium just for doing her job.

Uh, no actually, it does make it more monstrous. Much more. The motive behind an action is the most important part of it's morality. Killing that cop might have been been display of the extreme version of Lawful Neutral, but not much worse than something a Renegade Shepard might have done, and nowhere near as bad as Morinth, who just kills for her own pleasure, and there is no worse reason to kill than for pleasure.

bobobo878 wrote...
Samara said she saw him kill an unarmed civilian, but she didn't bother to stop and ask him why she killed that person. Being a Spectre, Nihilus could have had a very good reason for killing that person. The person Nihlus killed could have been a spy, who would have put people in danger with the information he would have sent if Nihlus had killed him later. Or, he could have been a terrorist, bearing a concealed weapon of mass destruction that Samara did not see. But Samara herself said that she did not know why Nihlus killed him.

"Might have been." From her perspective, he was just gunning down an unarmed civilian. And if you recall, he only escaped after making so she would have to save an innocent instead of go after him. And how the heck is trying to kill a guy who was killing an unarmed civilian who "might" have been a spy worse than killing completely innocent people?

bobobo878 wrote...
When Samara said that she didn't need to know why she was helping you eradicate the collectors, saying "If I have to kill a man, do I need to know he's a loving father?" it revealed a deeply disturbing facet of her character. Samara simply does not care to know if what she does is wrong. After she discovered that her daughters were ardat-yakshi she ceased to trust in her own judgement, and being too afraid to make her own choices anymore, she lets her code think for her. For all she knew, Nihlus could have just saved more lives than she ever will, but that doesn't matter to her because allowing her code to think for her saves her from having to make hard choices.

"Disturbing facet" I'll you what's disturbing, a serial killer with crazy mind control powers. Living by an extremely black-and-white code might not be at all good, but it's miles away pleasure killing. And I don't think Shepard would want to know if anything of the Mercs or Cerberus agents he killed were love fathers either. You sure seem concerned about the lives Nihlus might have saved, but you don't seem to be to concerned about Morinth who will undoubtedly go on to kill perhaps hundreds of innocent people. She definitely deserves to die more than most people Shepard has killed.

bobobo878 wrote...
I'm not saying it's okay for Morinth to commit serial murder against hipsters on Omega, but Samara is a trigger happy zealot meddling in galactic security affairs that she simply does not care to understand. At least when Morinth murders in cold blood, she put galactic security at risk.

Meddling in galactic affairs, that doesn't really sound so sinister when the alternative as being a serial killer. And Samara isn't any more "meddling in Galactic affairs" when she happens to come across a spectre than if Morinth were to happen to mind control one. At the end of the day, Samara isn't really that different than Shepard, or many of the people on his squad, who see fit to dispense with trials and laws, and administer justice how they see fit.

Modifié par Lmaoboat, 25 mars 2012 - 08:10 .

[Soga_Iname]

Dresden867 wrote...

She's like the incarnation of nasty emo doom goth psychopath stereotypes.

Yeah I didn't like how emo she was either, but then again nobody's perfect.

[ScotGaymer]

I only saved her to unlock her Domination power in later playthru's lol. Its real useful in ME2.

[TheJediSaint]

Morinith was a psychotic space-vampire, you're surprised that her story would not end well?

[Soga_Iname]

TheJediSaint wrote...

Morinith was a psychotic space-vampire, you're surprised that her story would not end well?

We should've had a say in the matter at least.

[Goneaviking]

MjK wrote...

Morinth is a great character... Ardat-Yakshi are forced to live into a monastery or die... That's pretty harsh especially when you are a young (teen?) asari who planned something your futur.

"Hey sweetie, it seems you have a genetic failure, you'll kill every sexual partners you'll have.
Die or play chess for a millenia ?"

D:

She's not a serial killer on purpose. 

Yes she is. Having a tragic backstory and a lethal STD does not negate free will. Nor does addiction. Morinth made her choices, and she chose to be a sexual predator.