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[Zix13]

NPH11 wrote...

I'll still pick the person who follows at least some semblance of "justice" (Despite how perverted that definition may be) over a serial killer.

Samara follows an archaic code that, over the course of her mission, has likely resulted in the deaths of more than a few innocent people. We don't really know, we never see it happen (Those mercenaries, who smuggled a killer off world and are part of a group that requires you to kill someone to gain entry certainly weren't innocent)

Morinth kills because she gets pleasure out of it. She follows no moral code. She isn't killing out of some "addiction" as others argue. All of her kills are pre-meditated, not the actions of a desperate addict.

Samara certainly isn't perfect, but she's the lesser of two evils.

It's a moot point anyways, since bioware was some damn lazy with Morinth. Theoretically she should have been more useful than Samara, but they just kinda gave up on her.

[The Angry One]

Keep in mind Samara threatens that she'd kill a renegade Shep if not for her "duties" (re: she knows Shep would kick her ass).
Also keep in mind renegade does not mean evil.

So basically Samara is willing to kill someone over philosophical differences.

[DeathScepter]

Morinth is a sociopath and a sexual sadist. So She enjoys and gets turned on by killing people thru sex.

1) Morinth is Rational; So she knows on base the difference between right and wrong. Even howbeit she is a sociopath, she is intelligent enough to realize that other people will find her actions evil or amoral. And she plans her kills out.

2) She is a sexual sadist. So there is a sexual component to her kills when she kills, she gains pleasure from it.

3) Manipulation, She enjoy the control when she "hunts" her prey.

4) Brutality, Howbeit the crime itself is quick. But the damage cause by the act itself is both brutal and leaves an empty husk in the wake.

5) Sadism, She enjoys having other people suffering due to the loss of their loved ones.


On Doctor Michael Stone's Scale of Evil(yes it is real), from 1(being the least evil) to 22(being the most evil, sadistic and rational).

Morinth is an 18 in overall evilness.

[Zix13]

DeathScepter wrote...

Morinth is a sociopath and a sexual sadist. So She enjoys and gets turned on by killing people thru sex.

1) Morinth is Rational; So she knows on base the difference between right and wrong. Even howbeit she is a sociopath, she is intelligent enough to realize that other people will find her actions evil or amoral. And she plans her kills out.

2) She is a sexual sadist. So there is a sexual component to her kills when she kills, she gains pleasure from it.

3) Manipulation, She enjoy the control when she "hunts" her prey.

4) Brutality, Howbeit the crime itself is quick. But the damage cause by the act itself is both brutal and leaves an empty husk in the wake.

5) Sadism, She enjoys having other people suffering due to the loss of their loved ones.


On Doctor Michael Stone's Scale of Evil(yes it is real), from 1(being the least evil) to 22(being the most evil, sadistic and rational).

Morinth is an 18 in overall evilness.

Where does sadism come into it? And brutality? Come on, that's a pretty good way to go.

[CaFe87]

I always ahd the impression, that Morinth was sad about being forced to be lonely and that she really was hoping for Shepard to survive their romance.
I dont know why she would lie to you.

[Zix13]

CaFé87 wrote...

I always ahd the impression, that Morinth was sad about being forced to be lonely and that she really was hoping for Shepard to survive their romance.
I dont know why she would lie to you.

I got that impression too, but then again, she is manipulative in the extreme. Guess we'll never know.

[The Angry One]

I doubt she had any illusions as to what would happen, her face during that scene is pretty much "haha sucker!".

[Zix13]

The Angry One wrote...

I doubt she had any illusions as to what would happen, her face during that scene is pretty much "haha sucker!".

True dat. Don't know what her plan was after killing shep though.... Being on the Normandy and all.

Modifié par Zix13, 26 mars 2012 - 03:34 .

[Maria Caliban]

Orthodox Infidel wrote...

Red Dust wrote...

Would it have been such a great stretch of the budget to put her in place of Samara, attempting to rescue and liberate her sisters?

Morinth is a total psychopath. Why would she risk herself to save her sisters?

You've never read about families or couples that go on crime waves together?

They're like her. All she's need to do is convince them to try having sex with someone once and they'd be hooked on it. Then the three of them could fly around the galaxy being psychopaths together.

[DeathScepter]

Morinth would lie to you in a heartbeat because she can. Samara wouldn't lie to you and she has no reason too.

Samara and Morinth both know how dangerous Morinth is. And One of the reasons Samara became a Justicar so she can have the training and the legality, hunt down her sociopathic daughter and prevent Morinth from killing innocent people. We can all argee that Morinth is an highly intelligent Asari.

The main difference between Morinth and her sisters is that Morinth is a sociopath and a potential psychopath. I don't know enough about her sisters.

Many people do bring the Village up to prove Samara's sociopathy but it was Morinth that brainwashed them to worship her as a goddess. So Morinth has an major element of Narcasism( it is when a people believes that they are the center of the universe and lack empathy).

So Morinth made the village fight Samara while she gotten away. So it was Self Defense for Samara and Samara did spare the Children.

One of reasons that Justicars are rare outside of Asari space due to the political **** storm that their code and training made the Justicars into. Justicars are great within Asari Space.

[The Angry One]

DeathScepter wrote...

One of reasons that Justicars are rare outside of Asari space due to the political **** storm that their code and training made the Justicars into. Justicars are great within Asari Space.

Ilium is an Asari planet on the border of Asari space, and the Asari police officers were completely petrified of her, basically saying "Please get her out of here before she starts murdering indiscriminately."

[Soga_Iname]

DeathScepter wrote...

Morinth is a sociopath and a sexual sadist. So She enjoys and gets turned on by killing people thru sex.

1) Morinth is Rational; So she knows on base the difference between right and wrong. Even howbeit she is a sociopath, she is intelligent enough to realize that other people will find her actions evil or amoral. And she plans her kills out.

2) She is a sexual sadist. So there is a sexual component to her kills when she kills, she gains pleasure from it.

3) Manipulation, She enjoy the control when she "hunts" her prey.

4) Brutality, Howbeit the crime itself is quick. But the damage cause by the act itself is both brutal and leaves an empty husk in the wake.

5) Sadism, She enjoys having other people suffering due to the loss of their loved ones.


On Doctor Michael Stone's Scale of Evil(yes it is real), from 1(being the least evil) to 22(being the most evil, sadistic and rational).

Morinth is an 18 in overall evilness.

That's disappointing, Morinth could have done better. At least two characters in the stories I'm writing score a 22 and one of them is the protagonist.

[GuardianAngel470]

bobobo878 wrote...

Simpfan wrote...

Nothing like purposefully saving a raving lunatic who goes around mind****ing people to death out of some ****ed up philosophy of being the "genetic destiny of the asari"

give me a break, shes coocoo bananas and good riddance

Still a better person than Samara.

Only if you're as bad a person as Morinth.

[Goneaviking]

The Angry One wrote...

How is it a stupid risk, Morinth would know any renegade Shepard would nail her ass to the wall if she tried anything with the crew. She's not stupid.

If she can control herself that well for an extended period of time, despite regular opportunities, the "addict who can't control herself" argument seems even more shallow and ill-advised.

[Zix13]

Goneaviking wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

How is it a stupid risk, Morinth would know any renegade Shepard would nail her ass to the wall if she tried anything with the crew. She's not stupid.

If she can control herself that well for an extended period of time, despite regular opportunities, the "addict who can't control herself" argument seems even more shallow and ill-advised.

Agreed. However, it is a biological urge, not some learned behaviour. It is her nature, not her individual personality. Doesn't make it any more forgivable since she obviously CAN control it, but labelling her as a serial killer in the human sense isn't quite fair either.

Modifié par Zix13, 26 mars 2012 - 05:55 .

[ObserverStatus]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

Simpfan wrote...
Nothing like purposefully saving a raving lunatic who goes around mind****ing people to death out of some ****ed up philosophy of being the "genetic destiny of the asari"
give me a break, shes coocoo bananas and good riddance

Still a better person than Samara.

Only if you're as bad a person as Morinth.

What?  I said that Morinth is a better person than Samara, what does Shepard have to do with this?

The Angry One wrote...
I doubt she had any illusions as to what would happen, her face during that scene is pretty much "haha sucker!".

I find your disregard for the truth to be alarming.

Modifié par bobobo878, 26 mars 2012 - 06:50 .

[Alien1099]

Red Dust wrote...

Would it have been such a great stretch of the budget to put her in place of Samara, attempting to rescue and liberate her sisters?

Because that was SAMARA'S loyalty mission maybe? It was just a straight swap.

Modifié par Alien1099, 26 mars 2012 - 07:12 .

[DeathScepter]

well Morinth can control herself and her actions. And Illium is the gateway to the Terminus System. So Mercenary groups are common place and I won't be surprised that they have some of the police in their pocket. Illium is beautiful on the outside but no less nasty as Omega. And we all know how nasty Omega can be under Aria.

Justicars are supposed to be the Ideal of Asari law.


Sociopaths like Morinth are quite charming and will do their best to make you like them. So they use you. Morinth is a threat to Shepard regardless of his own alignment. So Samara is always a safer bet for Shepard.

Paragon of Asari law, or An Amoral Sexual Sadist that enjoys control, manipulation and murder.

[Silhouett3]

Why all the hate on Morinth?

ME is a universe full of genocide, bioweapons, civil wars, rogue AIs and genetic engineering, And Asari thought it's wiser to hide their "flaw" from the universe for thousands of years instead of solving it. I don't buy it.


Humans create genetically superior Miranda, Okeer creates Grunt, dear Mordin creates a genophage cure in Normandy's lab and you are telling me Ardat-Yakshi has to live with their genetic conditions in permanent exile?

I'm not buying it.

Maybe you hate her for the tendency of sexual seduction. That's understandable. But really, this one is on all Asari.

Modifié par Silhouett3, 26 mars 2012 - 04:04 .

[Soga_Iname]

DeathScepter wrote...

Paragon of Asari law, or An Amoral Sexual Sadist that enjoys control, manipulation and murder.

I'll take the Amoral Sexual Sadist that enjoys control, manipulation, and murder. I mean we already got way too many of those moral types bogging the game down anyway what with their ethics and their distaste for randomly killing people for tenuously justifiable reasons. Without Morinth on the ship every conversation just boils down to "I like saving people!" "Me too!"

[leafyFresh]

Yea, Morinth was super cool. Sad that she didn't get a larger role. I was really disappointed when I saw that she was a banshee and I spent a long time searching google to see if I could save her. It's alright if that's one of the things that can happen to her, that would actually be cool. I wish they would have made this storyline more dynamic instead of making this unchangeable no matter what you do.

[The Angry One]

Goneaviking wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

How is it a stupid risk, Morinth would know any renegade Shepard would nail her ass to the wall if she tried anything with the crew. She's not stupid.

If she can control herself that well for an extended period of time, despite regular opportunities, the "addict who can't control herself" argument seems even more shallow and ill-advised.

True but personally I don't put much stock into that argument.
I know she's a sicko. But to me Morinth and Samara are a choice between a completely unrepentant sicko and a sicko who sticks to a set of rules to justify her murderous urges.

[lyssalu]

Zix13 wrote...

WhooMovingTarget wrote...

Shes a named Banshee is all I know?

Lol what? Really? Thought you just got that ****ty email.

yeah

lots of bull**** for everyone

[Goneaviking]

The Angry One wrote...

Goneaviking wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

How is it a stupid risk, Morinth would know any renegade Shepard would nail her ass to the wall if she tried anything with the crew. She's not stupid.

If she can control herself that well for an extended period of time, despite regular opportunities, the "addict who can't control herself" argument seems even more shallow and ill-advised.

True but personally I don't put much stock into that argument.
I know she's a sicko. But to me Morinth and Samara are a choice between a completely unrepentant sicko and a sicko who sticks to a set of rules to justify her murderous urges.

Even with that rationale, it's a choice between someone who kills apparent criminals and someone who kills the beautiful and that talented. Someone who is sworn to protect the innocent even if it means letting a criminal escape or someone who only values her own life.

[Dendio1]

I felt bad for her. Her mom gave her the option of living in seclusion or dying. Her mom was a crazy justicar who will do anything for her *code*. I saved morinth and she sent me a letter telling me to stay alive so we could meet again one day. Poor morinth ..the reapers got to her first. She deserved better...just one more reason to end the reapers

Modifié par Dendio1, 26 mars 2012 - 08:27 .