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[Trakarg]

Morinth selfishly chose to flee in order to kill people for pleasure. There is nothing redeeming about her. She's a selfish, narcissistic psychopath who'd gladly kill anyone if it meant getting some pleasure from it. She is far, far, far worse than Samara.

[Zix13]

Trakarg wrote...

Morinth selfishly chose to flee in order to kill people for pleasure. There is nothing redeeming about her. She's a selfish, narcissistic psychopath who'd gladly kill anyone if it meant getting some pleasure from it. She is far, far, far worse than Samara.

Still a better person than Jack...

[CaFe87]

Maybe I am missing some crucial information, but when did Morinth actually "torture" people and how many did she kill?
The Dossier only tells us about one village and Nef.

[AlexMBrennan]

What, does she get to kill one village without being a bad person?

I'm pretty sure I read something about her involvement in the leak, guess that was cut too.

[DranakShadow]

She tries to get Shepard to sleep with her, knowing full well what'll happen. So.. she deserved it.

[Goneaviking]

DranakShadow wrote...

She tries to get Shepard to sleep with her, knowing full well what'll happen. So.. she deserved it.

If Shepard was stupid enough to try and shag her then (s)he deserved that critical failure.

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Morinth was a self-obsessed psychopath, to in love with her own intelligence to actually use it to it's fullness. She may have been a master of hiding in plain sight, she may have been willing to throw anyone under a bus to ensure her own survival but until the Reaper invasion she's only really had to escape one pursuer hunter her down.

It doesn't surprise me that she got culled during the invasion. A reaper invasion is completely different from anything she's ever dealt with before, and she'd probably let her guard down a great deal since Shepard helped kill her mother - the only person hunter her is death after all.

It wouldn't have been terrible for her fans to have the chance to interact with her in the final game, but I'm glad she wasn't cut and pasted over Samara. Not only would it have been out of character for her to put herself at risk for someone else, but it would have added to the nihilistic edge the ending attached to the game by rendering one of big moral decisions of ME2 irrelevant.

[Bigdoser]

I think people forget that in me2 majority of our squad mates are murderers and monsters.

[Zix13]

Goneaviking wrote...

DranakShadow wrote...

She tries to get Shepard to sleep with her, knowing full well what'll happen. So.. she deserved it.

If Shepard was stupid enough to try and shag her then (s)he deserved that critical failure.

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Morinth was a self-obsessed psychopath, to in love with her own intelligence to actually use it to it's fullness. She may have been a master of hiding in plain sight, she may have been willing to throw anyone under a bus to ensure her own survival but until the Reaper invasion she's only really had to escape one pursuer hunter her down.

It doesn't surprise me that she got culled during the invasion. A reaper invasion is completely different from anything she's ever dealt with before, and she'd probably let her guard down a great deal since Shepard helped kill her mother - the only person hunter her is death after all.

It wouldn't have been terrible for her fans to have the chance to interact with her in the final game, but I'm glad she wasn't cut and pasted over Samara. Not only would it have been out of character for her to put herself at risk for someone else, but it would have added to the nihilistic edge the ending attached to the game by rendering one of big moral decisions of ME2 irrelevant.

Few things: 
a) she did care (to some degree) about her sisters and may well have gone back for them. In fact, even if she didn't really care about her sisters, she might have decided she wanted some peeps to pillage with.
Wouldn't have been terrible if she was in the final game? Even Jacob got a Cameo and literally no one cares about him. Morinth was an interesting character. Everytime she said anything you'd look for her angle, and her perspectives were very different from the rest of your crew(though she was never really developed enough in me2 either). 
c) Not giving her a role in me3 just makes picking her in me2 pointless
d) Like I said before, Samara would end up as a banshee long before Morinth, there is no possible way that you could expect Samara to be more likely to escape the reapers than Morinth. Presumably, by this point in time, she is considerably more powerful than Samara anyways. Also, she'd be far more useful to the reapers indoctrinated than as a Banshee. Even the codex says the reapers have trouble tracking down biotics, and Morinth is quite likely the most powerful biotic(excluding adept/vanguard shep) in the galaxy. Honestly, turning her into a Banshee was just stupid and lazy writing on Biowares part. 
e) I'm really not sure what she was thinking trying to get Shep to sleep with her while she was still on the Normandy. Dead Shep on Normandy = Dead Morinth within a couple minutes. She's smarter than that. Once again though, it's probably something Bioware never really considered. 

[movieguyabw]

Backtracking a bit.

Lmaoboat wrote...

movieguyabw wrote...

Painaid wrote...

Samara = Lawful Neutral

You can disagree with Samara's code as a Justicar, but you cannot deny that her actions are in the sole pursuit of Justice--no matter the form. You can disagree with the harshness of her actions, but you will always know that she stands on the side of Justice. Hence why Nihilus was able to pervert the code to escape from Samara by forcing her to protect an innocent civilian over gettig revenge.

Morinth = Chaotic Evil

There is -nothing- redeemable about her whatsoever. She is the ultimate egotistical, sociopathic apex predator. You can say she is a slave to her own desire, but that does not redeem her actions and choice to such a life. Samara said as much.

"No one deserves execution, no matter what their crime."

^Ethos with which I played my 100% Paragon.  I ended up sparing Morinth, and she killed her mother.  I would've liked there to be a way to save them both, but oh well.

Interestingly enough, there's a possible ending to ME2 where Morinth sacrifices her life in order to save your crew.  What was that about there being "nothing redeemable" about her? 

There's a difference between not killing an unarmed, surrendering merc, and not killing a fugitive who has no intent if turning herself in, if capturing her is even physically possible, and who has killed countless amounts of people over hundreds of years, and will continue to do so unless stopped. And let's not even get into the fact that you executed Samara

As I said before, my Shep didn't execute anyone, Morinth did.  At least, the way I RP him, he didn't approve, but still felt it was wrong to murder Morinth.

Yes, there is a difference.  What I'm saying is that's not how I played *my* Shepard.  I'm not telling you how to play yours.    I also didn't shoot Udina, and even though I didn't have enough P/R points to talk Wrex down, I still didn't shoot him, or give Ashley permission to.  I even ****ed her out when she did anyway, even though she was my LI.

My point is, why hate on those of us who saved Morinth?  It doesn't affect your playthrough in the SLIGHTEST.  Some of us just like the character and would've liked ONE mission with her, where we could've possibly saved her from becoming a banshee.  Whether it be by (for some people) killing her, or (possibly in my case) attempting to talk her down.

[Zix13]

Painaid wrote...

Samara = Lawful Neutral

You can disagree with Samara's code as a Justicar, but you cannot deny that her actions are in the sole pursuit of Justice--no matter the form. You can disagree with the harshness of her actions, but you will always know that she stands on the side of Justice. Hence why Nihilus was able to pervert the code to escape from Samara by forcing her to protect an innocent civilian over gettig revenge.

Morinth = Chaotic Evil

There is -nothing- redeemable about her whatsoever. She is the ultimate egotistical, sociopathic apex predator. You can say she is a slave to her own desire, but that does not redeem her actions and choice to such a life. Samara said as much.

No. Jack is Chaotic Evil. Morinth is Neutral Evil. Samara can't even be given a evil/good or a chaotic/lawful alignment. She doesn't really have one.

Modifié par Zix13, 28 mars 2012 - 01:38 .

[Tilarta]

CaFé87 wrote...

Maybe I am missing some crucial information, but when did Morinth actually "torture" people and how many did she kill?
The Dossier only tells us about one village and Nef.

Well, I got the impression Morinth liked to inflict mental pain.
Reading between the lines, she took a shy artistic bookworm (Nef) and got her interested in all sorts of unpleasant things.
Think about Morinth's personal interests, deathrage music, drugs, psychotic killing spree movies, statues/artwork that make you sick to look at and you get the idea.
I'm assuming she did a similar thing to each of her victims, twisted their minds before eventually sucking them dry.

As for the body count, Liara has a severe comment to make when asked about it:
"Ardat-Yakshi who choose to kill leave behind astronomical bodycounts. Morinth was just hitting her stride."
This meant that all the murders Morinth had committed so far were only a warmup act and when she really got down to business, she would be responsible for lots of deaths. And given the long life of an Asari, how many would that amount to before she died of old age?

I'm betting, as a numbers game, no-one else in the game could come close to that many kills.
Well, on purpose anyway.

[Silhouett3]

Body-count argument is pretty meaningless in a universe like ME. Assume Ardat-Yakshi were Salarian and not Asari, would that make them much less horrific due to the much smaller murder-count?

Than again, if we only mind the body-count, it would always be a krogan battlemaster/mercenary at the top of the chart. And they don't rely on their..umm.. seduction skills you know.

In Mass Effect, a skilled enough scientist can make a bioweapon in a standart laboratory and next the whole galaxy, interspecies relations, culture and political climate changes. Next to Mordin, Morinth can't even be a footnote.

Modifié par Silhouett3, 28 mars 2012 - 09:25 .

[Hunter_Wolf]

Orthodox Infidel wrote...

Red Dust wrote...

Would it have been such a great stretch of the budget to put her in place of Samara, attempting to rescue and liberate her sisters?

Morinth is a total psychopath. Why would she risk herself to save her sisters?

So she can have a posse' to reap the galaxy with, duh.

[Trikormadenadon]

jreezy wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

Did you know that there is a Phantom named Jack at the Cerberus HQ if you don't rescue Jack at Grissom Academy? I'm guessing that before the Omega mission got scrapped for DLC, there was a part on that station where you could save her too. Hopefully they will change it so you can save her when that DLC comes out. Best LI in the game TBH.

Jack gets the same treatment? Wow that sucks.

Yeah but at least you get a chance to save Jack from that fate. Morinth becomes a Banshee no matter what.

[Exicuren]

Yuoaman wrote...

More than she deserved, really.

This^

[Tilarta]

Silhouett3 wrote...

Body-count argument is pretty meaningless in a universe like ME. Assume Ardat-Yakshi were Salarian and not Asari, would that make them much less horrific due to the much smaller murder-count?

Than again, if we only mind the body-count, it would always be a krogan battlemaster/mercenary at the top of the chart.

Salarians have a lifespan of around 40-50 years compared to the 1000+ of an Asari.
I wouldn't be terribly worried about what they'd do in that time.

I'm not sure Krogan Battlemasters really count, since they only seek foes in battle, not walk into a bar and say, right, you, you and you, you're going to die today.

Mostly, the problem is that an Ardat-Yakshi "on the outside" is going to be a killer no matter what.
Liara makes that point over and over that the Asari do not tolerate "uncontrolled" Ardat-Yakshi because of this reason.

A Salarian or a Krogan may choose to kill or they may not, but they're not going to be forced to do it by the nature of some genetic abnormality.

I'd rather have a crewmember who knew when they should stop killing rather then someone who does it for cheap thrills and can't stop themselves.

[Zix13]

Tilarta wrote...

Silhouett3 wrote...

Body-count argument is pretty meaningless in a universe like ME. Assume Ardat-Yakshi were Salarian and not Asari, would that make them much less horrific due to the much smaller murder-count?

Than again, if we only mind the body-count, it would always be a krogan battlemaster/mercenary at the top of the chart.

Salarians have a lifespan of around 40-50 years compared to the 1000+ of an Asari.
I wouldn't be terribly worried about what they'd do in that time.

I'm not sure Krogan Battlemasters really count, since they only seek foes in battle, not walk into a bar and say, right, you, you and you, you're going to die today.

Mostly, the problem is that an Ardat-Yakshi "on the outside" is going to be a killer no matter what.
Liara makes that point over and over that the Asari do not tolerate "uncontrolled" Ardat-Yakshi because of this reason.

A Salarian or a Krogan may choose to kill or they may not, but they're not going to be forced to do it by the nature of some genetic abnormality.

I'd rather have a crewmember who knew when they should stop killing rather then someone who does it for cheap thrills and can't stop themselves.

Jack is still far more dangerous to have on your ship than Morinth.

[YohkoOhno]

Jack's not the only one who can show up. If you chose to give Legion to Cerebus in ME2 he reportedly shows up in the same place Jack does, as an assassin.

Modifié par YohkoOhno, 29 mars 2012 - 12:19 .

[mi55ion]

i like morinth ..

[Zix13]

mi55ion wrote...

i like morinth ..

As a character or as a person?

Phycopaths make good characters( provided they aren't just violent, **** the world type phycopaths like Jack), but lousy people.