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[Whole Particle]

Hey JShepppp, great way to add some humor to an ME universe that appeared to be doomed from the get go :happy:

I enjoyed how the Reapers and Catalyst were just "chilling around" for all those years. Wonder what they were doing? Playing their own versions of "Civilization" perhaps?

Regarding bringing a sword to a gunfight, I think it would have been funny if an interrupt had Shepard just go Indiana Jones on Kai Leng, and blast him away after he waved his sword and jumped all around the Cerberus Base.

Also, I liked the nod to ME3 multiplayer when the servers go out after so many rounds, happened to me before as well and kinda sucked after all the Reaper Troop killing I just did.

And I honestly couldn't believe the Quarians went to war with the Geth either (perfect timing, right?). Even after I begged them not to in ME2, looks like they went ahead and attacked anyway. Don't they know there's Galactic War for Survival going on?

[Unlimited69x]

This topic deserves more attention.

[AnImpossibleGirl]

uwyz wrote...

Thank you very much for this thorough and well-written piece exposing the plot-holes in this series. I enjoyed your humor and dry wit.

I suppose no ending dlc could explain the biggest plot-hole in this story, which is why Sovereign labored so assiduously for centuries to crack open the citadel, when he could simply have made a short 3 year trip and physically wake up his friends. It is almost as if that being a synthetic and programmed construct, Sovy couldn't think outside the box. Such a shame for a soldier who could make an awesome speech. Maybe he was new on the job and didn't want supervisor Harby to know that he screwed up while in probation - wouldn't look good on those millenial reviews. Afterall, Harby wouldn't notice if he is late by one thousand years - what is a thousand years to an immortal?

It is not a surprise that the ending would be so bad, but that the writers could get away with all these holes until the end.

Thank you once again. This thread deserves more thought.

It does deserve more thought. 
I think we tended to more or less drown out plotholes because we expected "answers are coming".
OR that we were missing something along the way. I always assume if I do not have the answer to something, well, I must have missed something *better go look again* and usually end up with nothing...feeling worse about it than I initially had.

The end was bound to be drowning in plot holes, they just could have been executed a lot better.

Like no spacebrat...Catalyst threw a lot off. In the end, I do not NEED to know why the reapers are such a**holes. Sometimes it is okay to just be an a**. If I did, the spacebrat was the wrong reason for being such.

Great post though. Very enjoyable.

[JShepppp]

Whole Particle wrote...

Hey JShepppp, great way to add some humor to an ME universe that appeared to be doomed from the get go :happy:

I enjoyed how the Reapers and Catalyst were just "chilling around" for all those years. Wonder what they were doing? Playing their own versions of "Civilization" perhaps?

Regarding bringing a sword to a gunfight, I think it would have been funny if an interrupt had Shepard just go Indiana Jones on Kai Leng, and blast him away after he waved his sword and jumped all around the Cerberus Base.

Also, I liked the nod to ME3 multiplayer when the servers go out after so many rounds, happened to me before as well and kinda sucked after all the Reaper Troop killing I just did.

And I honestly couldn't believe the Quarians went to war with the Geth either (perfect timing, right?). Even after I begged them not to in ME2, looks like they went ahead and attacked anyway. Don't they know there's Galactic War for Survival going on?

Thanks for the input lol. Just wanted to say - you should look at this (not my video) for a renegade interrupt edit on the Indiana Jones scene you exactly described. 

And yeah, ME does have some inconsistencies here and there, and the ending was not the first...

[FellishBeast]

[JShepppp]

FellishBeast wrote...

Sorry, I don't think your post came through?

[Whole Particle]

JShepppp wrote...

Thanks for the input lol. Just wanted to say - you should look at this (not my video) for a renegade interrupt edit on the Indiana Jones scene you exactly described.

That's a great video, exactly the type of situation I had  in mind.


Another inconsistency I had thought of a while back was the Council's reluctance to go to Ilos because the Mu Relays location in the Terminus Systems, yet in ME2 Shepard spends most of his time there anyway. Some potentially good humor there I think.

[legionaireshen]

" must've designed programs so well that they never randomly got disconnected from EA Servers on Wave 11."

lol

[sammysoso]

HA!

Funny stuff OP, and now I'm sad again...

[JShepppp]

Whole Particle wrote...

JShepppp wrote...

Thanks for the input lol. Just wanted to say - you should look at this (not my video) for a renegade interrupt edit on the Indiana Jones scene you exactly described.

That's a great video, exactly the type of situation I had  in mind.


Another inconsistency I had thought of a while back was the Council's reluctance to go to Ilos because the Mu Relays location in the Terminus Systems, yet in ME2 Shepard spends most of his time there anyway. Some potentially good humor there I think.

Yeah, though the Normandy has its super advanced stealth drive that can evade Reaper tech lol. Plus Shep's always been one to venture into danger whereas the Council is more worried than anything else.

[fle6isnow]

*slowclap*

I'm Garrus Vakarian* and this is my favorite thread on BSN!

I agree though, no regrets from this series.


________
*not really.

[Whole Particle]

Surprised this thread doesn't have more responses.

[JShepppp]

Whole Particle wrote...

Surprised this thread doesn't have more responses.

I was hoping for more response too, lol. Perhaps people have nothing to say and just read it (hopefully enjoying it). 

Or, perhaps people don't share my sense of humor. 

Thanks for your support though!

[Iwillbeback]

JShepppp wrote...


1. Protheans screwing Keeper signal so Reapers are delayed
2. Sovvy not calling in Harby and Co. to quickly FTL to the galaxy within 3 years and instead chilling for centuries trying to find out how to open the Citadel
3. Sheps' brain being the only thing not liquified after the Normandy SR1 was destroyed
4. Randomly finding a Reaper in the galaxy that died 37 million years ago
5. Stopping Harby and Co. mere minutes at the end of their 3-year long FTL journey
6. Reapers not immediately taking the Citadel after Earth to control/turn off the relays as they usually would (not touched upon in my summary but yeah)
7. Learning about the Crucible just as the Reapers are on Earth's doorstep (as opposed to finding them during the decades prior of studying Prothean archives)
8. Catalyst not opening the Citadel and allowing the Reapers to come in immediately (which would render the entire series pretty much null)

4. Cerberus found it
5. Well he was unlucky he didn't have more time


To answer all your questions the Reapers should of fixed the signal after it was sabotaged and then Bioware shouldn't of made Mass effect 

[Koshiir]

Wow. That was... AWESOME! I just saved a copy on my Hard Drive.

Seriously, I was grinning the whole time and laughing out loud a few times. It's a great analysis of all the convenient coincidences in the ME universe which one would normally expect in a James Bond movie. I love your writing style, too!

While I enjoyed the ME series, your article also shows a problem that I often find with sequels nowadays: Plot continuation and coherency often go out the window. Mass Effect 1 was pretty coherent and consistent in itself, but with it's two sequels more and more themes/plot holes/retcons were integrated until the plot (when viewed in retrospective like you did) feels like a joke.

I fear for Half-Life 3. Don't disappoint me Valve!


edit:
My favourite parts:

The Catalyst for some reason didn't bother to help out and open its relay. Maybe, setting an example for Reaper underlings, the Catalyst was also taking an average nap of 50,000 years, which would've been kind of stupid, seeing as its future enemies were living inside it. But who knows.

Plot hole as big as a reaper that I never noticed until now.

For all intents and purposes, the base
should've been impregnable. Harby would've been perfectly within his
rights to be like OMGHAX during the entire mission

With funding that seems to rival not only planets but entire civilizations, Cerberus, in a self-defeating kind of logic, hampers the Crucible/Allied efforts...for its grand plans that involve using the completed Allied-Effort-Built Crucible to control the Reapers. Walking a fine balance, if Cerberus was "too" successful at dividing the galaxy, it would have still failed without a functional Crucible to use. This can be conveniently hidden behind indoctrination though.

Another weird logic error that I never noticed. Thank God Catalyst for indoctrination, right?

As the gamer watches in awe, Shepard announces his unbelievably heroic sacrificial, and borderline insane/stupid idea to take on a live Reaper on foot, calling down orbital strikes from the entire Quarian Fleet + Normandy. Somehow he manages to dodge the Reaper's advanced-computer-AI-enhanced-targeted-laser-weapon-system.

I have to admit that this setpiece was epic as s***, but still.. lol.

Modifié par Koshiir, 02 avril 2012 - 11:28 .

[Whole Particle]

JShepppp wrote...

I was hoping for more response too, lol. Perhaps people have nothing to say and just read it (hopefully enjoying it).

Or, perhaps people don't share my sense of humor.

Thanks for your support though!

No problem. I actually think it's due to the FTL speeds of the forum and not enough people get a chance to see the longer-to-read threads, as shown by the posters here that have already shown their support.

Koshiir wrote...

Seriously, I was grinning the whole time and laughing out loud a few times. It's a great analysis of all the convenient coincidences in the ME universe which one would normally expect in a James Bond movie. I love your writing style, too!

I know it's not directly-related, and I did post this in the "Ask the Catalyst" thread, but I thought it could be pretty funny to share here as well, in regards to the bond-themed style which I had in mind as well, that the ending could use, which was:


Shepard: Do you honestly expect me to choose how this ends?

Star Child: No Mr. Shepard, I expect you to DIE!

[Apocsapel91]

Protagonists are always lucky.

[JShepppp]

fle6isnow wrote...

*slowclap*

I'm Garrus Vakarian* and this is my favorite thread on BSN!

I agree though, no regrets from this series.


________
*not really.

thanks for your support. lol...yeah the real garrus would probably read this but he'd be in the middle of calibrations

Modifié par JShepppp, 03 avril 2012 - 03:17 .

[JShepppp]

Koshiir wrote...

Wow. That was... AWESOME! I just saved a copy on my Hard Drive.

Seriously, I was grinning the whole time and laughing out loud a few times. 

Thanks dude. I have been successful then.

[Jafryn]

Heh, it was a very funny read. But there was at least an explanation for finding the derelict Reaper. The Great Rift on Klendragon was known to be caused by an ancient superweapon. TIM had cerberus use that to find the remains of the weapon, and then used the weapon in relation to Klendragon to trace the trajectory to the system the Reaper was located in. Still pretty lucky, but eh, I'll buy it. Not the biggest stretch in the games by a longshot.

In terms of unlucky, Shepard and everyone else in the game completely forgot about the Conduit on Ilos when they were trying to get to the Citadel. That probably would have been a better plan then "fight through the entire Reaper ground army and hope that the gigantic beam will teleport you to the Citadel", but I'm no millitary strategist.

Modifié par Jafryn, 03 avril 2012 - 06:22 .

[JShepppp]

Jafryn wrote...

Heh, it was a very funny read. But there was at least an explanation for finding the derelict Reaper. The Great Rift on Klendragon was known to be caused by an ancient superweapon. TIM had cerberus use that to find the remains of the weapon, and then used the weapon in relation to Klendragon to trace the trajectory to the system the Reaper was located in. Still pretty lucky, but eh, I'll buy it. Not the biggest stretch in the games by a longshot.

In terms of unlucky, Shepard and everyone else in the game completely forgot about the Conduit on Ilos when they were trying to get to the Citadel. That probably would have been a better plan then "fight through the entire Reaper ground army and hope that the gigantic beam will teleport you to the Citadel", but I'm no millitary strategist.

Okay, I *guess* I can accept the derelict reaper lol. Finding the planet is a bit of a stretch but I will concede that point because at least they did a bit of scientific thinking and stuff in the game before they found the Reaper. 

Totally forgot about the Conduit though. That would've definitely been a lot safer. It also would've been smart for the Reapers to later destroy it, and maybe they did and that's why we didn't use it, but they just didn't say at all. Definitely another big glaring plot hole lol. 

[rizuno]

" In fact, it seems more and more that Sovvy was almost a kind of Reaper outcast of sorts, voted off the Island of Dark Space to be a Vanguard of Destruction for Organics Without Being Told Why. Hell, the Catalyst didn't even help him open the Citadel."

This is win and I choked my water all over my keyboard at work.

[Thiamath]

Nice and entertaining reading OP, thank's....!!!!

[Armdin]

Great post, very funny in many places~

BFA! (Bump for Awareness)

[JShepppp]

rizuno wrote...

" In fact, it seems more and more that Sovvy was almost a kind of Reaper outcast of sorts, voted off the Island of Dark Space to be a Vanguard of Destruction for Organics Without Being Told Why. Hell, the Catalyst didn't even help him open the Citadel."

This is win and I choked my water all over my keyboard at work.

I am happy you enjoyed it that much. Sorry about your keyboard though.