The main issue with wave 5 is the sheer scale of the SW universe - the republic is tens of thousands to millions of worlds (depending on source!). They're gonna need a lot of reapers...
The entire Reaper Fleet runs the gauntlet!
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#27
Posté 25 mars 2012 - 08:40
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The Halo Universe also has ordinary soldiers running around with an 8 gauge shotgun, which isn't humanly possible. All the UNSC weapons are pretty puny compared to Mass Effect, I mean they still use bullet based guns 500 years in the future? I think as far as MAC cannons go, someone got their numbers wrong. And even with their strength, they couldn't defeat the sheer numbers of Reapers out there.
The Star Wars universe on the other hand, that has some crazy stuff in it if you go digging. They might stand a chance.
The Star Wars universe on the other hand, that has some crazy stuff in it if you go digging. They might stand a chance.
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Posté 25 mars 2012 - 08:41
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I think we're forgetting one important factor.... indoctrination 
UNSC could have their own Mac Guns turned on them like the Batarians.
Indoctrined Emperor Palpatine?
UNSC could have their own Mac Guns turned on them like the Batarians. Indoctrined Emperor Palpatine?
#29
Posté 25 mars 2012 - 08:43
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jarms48 wrote...
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Wave 8: The United Federation of Planets. I mean, are the Reapers that much worse than the Borg?
Star Trek? I don't see them faring as well as the Mass Effect Galaxy and the Borg medicore.
considering most of Star Trek is built around energy weapons. the main cannon of a reaper would rip them all to pieces. aside from a few races, they'd lose on the ground since the Federation isn't much of a military outside it's fleet.
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Posté 25 mars 2012 - 08:43
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the jedi from star wars would mindtrick the reapers, telling them that these are not the organics they are looking for
#31
Posté 25 mars 2012 - 08:45
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MOELANDER wrote...
Ion Cannons and flexibility. Ion Cannons are widely available ion the SW universe and fire a blast, that disables electronics, any questions?
Ion Cannons wouldn't work when hitting shielding or armour plating, thats the idotic thing about star wars, EMP's disable hardware.
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Fighters are flexible and can mount ion cannons and carry Ion-Pulse missiles, any more questions?
Photon Torpedeos ignore shielding, much more effective.
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Posté 25 mars 2012 - 08:46
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cyric085 wrote...
the jedi from star wars would mindtrick the reapers, telling them that these are not the organics they are looking for
Lol
Though I'm not sure the Reapers would count as weak willed/minded XD
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Posté 25 mars 2012 - 08:50
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Warhammer 40: Imperial Navy
Imperial Escort vessels are anywhere between 750 metres and 3 kilometres in length, Cruisers are anywhere between 5 and 6 kilometres long and Battleships anywhere between 6 and 8 kilometres.
Give you a rough idea the Reaper Sovereign is only 2 kilometres. Hack Cruisers and up sometimes pack Nova Cannons which measure in hundreds of metres length. Give a rought idea thats a weapon the size of the smaller Reapers you witness in ME3. Think those Reapers measure at 200 metres?
Imperial Escort vessels are anywhere between 750 metres and 3 kilometres in length, Cruisers are anywhere between 5 and 6 kilometres long and Battleships anywhere between 6 and 8 kilometres.
Give you a rough idea the Reaper Sovereign is only 2 kilometres. Hack Cruisers and up sometimes pack Nova Cannons which measure in hundreds of metres length. Give a rought idea thats a weapon the size of the smaller Reapers you witness in ME3. Think those Reapers measure at 200 metres?
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Posté 25 mars 2012 - 08:57
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The Federation Star Fleet or the Klingon Deep Space Fleet from The Next Generation on would wipe the floor with the Reapers for the same reason the Galactic Empire would. Energy weapons. Apparently a photon torpedo has a yield of 25 isotons, according to an episode of Star Trek:Voyager 50 isotons would destroy a small planet. With out the adaptability of the Borg the Reapers would be dog meat JUST from the photons. Some Star Fleet ship carry an upgraded torpedo, the Quantum Torpedo which was designed to fight the Borg.
No, I don't see Star Fleet having any trouble with the Reapers
BTW Star Trek is set 300 years AFTER the timeline in Mass Effect
No, I don't see Star Fleet having any trouble with the Reapers
BTW Star Trek is set 300 years AFTER the timeline in Mass Effect
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Posté 25 mars 2012 - 09:00
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MOELANDER wrote...
Star Wars would wipe the floor with the reapers for two reasons:
Ion Cannons and flexibility. Ion Cannons are widely available ion the SW universe and fire a blast, that disables electronics, any questions?
Fighters are flexible and can mount ion cannons and carry Ion-Pulse missiles, any more questions?
More than that though, if your talking about fighting the empire at the height of its power then its not even a guess who will win. The Empire has millions of ships and thousands of star destroyers, including over a dozen 10 kilometer long super star destroyers, and they ahve the death star, the reapers are outnumbered and have inferior technology. Reapers use kinetic weapons still and their barriers are designed against kinetic weapons. Star wars ships use directed plasma weapons with unimaginably more power than the reaper weapons
A Single heavy turbolaser has the destructive power of 100 terratons of TNT thats 100 trillion tons of TNT from a single turbolaser reapers in the codex have been downed by sustained fire from 3-4 dreadnaughts whos main guns have the power of like 38 kilotons of TNT, the destructive force of a single heavy turbolaser is higher than the combined firepower of every dreadnaught the council races have put together.
The reapers even lose in terms of manuverability Star wars hyperdrives have speeds of 10 to 100 million times the speed of light, which means that the star wars ships are faster than the reapers are using mass relays just using conventional hyperspace.
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#36
Posté 25 mars 2012 - 09:01
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This thread is amazing...
How often does one topic bring together so many nerds (no offense, can't think of a better word) with expertise on so many different fictional universes?
How often does one topic bring together so many nerds (no offense, can't think of a better word) with expertise on so many different fictional universes?
#37
Posté 25 mars 2012 - 09:02
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The Imperium of Man from the 40K Universe could defeat them single handly.
On the ground Reaper destroyers or hell their capital ships don't stand a chance against the Adeptus Mechanicus's Titan Legions. A Reaper destroyer is 160 meters tall were as a Warhound the smallest class of Titan is 250 meters and boosts enough firepower to level entire contenants singlehandly.
And don't het me started on indoctrination vs the 40K universe, this happens on a daily basis with the false chantings of the Dark Gods.
In Space:
Again the Imperial Navy could beat them with out pause, a Fury Interceptor the Imperiums basic fighter craft is 70 meters long and is armed with many banks of lascannons. As it was said eariler the Imperium of Mans ships are also much larger in scale each vessel armed with weapons that can glass entire planets. The smallest Frigate the Cobra class Destroyer is 3 kilometers long the same size as the Star Wars Imperial Star Destroyer and the Imperium of Mans Battleships are anything from 8 to dozens of kilometers depending on make, role and where it was produced.
On the ground Reaper destroyers or hell their capital ships don't stand a chance against the Adeptus Mechanicus's Titan Legions. A Reaper destroyer is 160 meters tall were as a Warhound the smallest class of Titan is 250 meters and boosts enough firepower to level entire contenants singlehandly.
And don't het me started on indoctrination vs the 40K universe, this happens on a daily basis with the false chantings of the Dark Gods.
In Space:
Again the Imperial Navy could beat them with out pause, a Fury Interceptor the Imperiums basic fighter craft is 70 meters long and is armed with many banks of lascannons. As it was said eariler the Imperium of Mans ships are also much larger in scale each vessel armed with weapons that can glass entire planets. The smallest Frigate the Cobra class Destroyer is 3 kilometers long the same size as the Star Wars Imperial Star Destroyer and the Imperium of Mans Battleships are anything from 8 to dozens of kilometers depending on make, role and where it was produced.
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Posté 25 mars 2012 - 09:03
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1. No, Even with 21st century Humanity full prepared they only have 1 planet. They can't flee and regroup even with full preperation to the Reapers coming they couldn't exactly do a lot. It would really all depend on how effective Nuclear weapons are against the Reapers. The war would probably end in Nuclear armagedon as a desperate attempt to destroy the Reapers.
2. I'm not fully aware of Halo lore so I'm not really sure.
3. Same as 2
4. Maybe, If the entire Prothean empire was united and they weren't seperated via the Citadel Relat they could of stood a chance. The Protheans were extremely powerful and it took centuries for the Reapers to defeat a disorganised Prothean Empire so imagine what a fully functional cooperative effort could have accomplished.
5. Yes, the technology of the star wars universe is immense and with the possibilities to create planet destroying superweapons like the death star the reapers could easily be defeated.
6. Yes, The Fully functional Prothean Empire could almost be enough to topply the reapers alone, then with the combination of the current cycle equipped with Large Dreadnaughts fitted with Thanix Cannons the reapers wouldn't stand a chance.
2. I'm not fully aware of Halo lore so I'm not really sure.
3. Same as 2
4. Maybe, If the entire Prothean empire was united and they weren't seperated via the Citadel Relat they could of stood a chance. The Protheans were extremely powerful and it took centuries for the Reapers to defeat a disorganised Prothean Empire so imagine what a fully functional cooperative effort could have accomplished.
5. Yes, the technology of the star wars universe is immense and with the possibilities to create planet destroying superweapons like the death star the reapers could easily be defeated.
6. Yes, The Fully functional Prothean Empire could almost be enough to topply the reapers alone, then with the combination of the current cycle equipped with Large Dreadnaughts fitted with Thanix Cannons the reapers wouldn't stand a chance.
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Posté 25 mars 2012 - 09:05
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Slash1667 wrote...
The Federation Star Fleet or the Klingon Deep Space Fleet from The Next Generation on would wipe the floor with the Reapers for the same reason the Galactic Empire would. Energy weapons. Apparently a photon torpedo has a yield of 25 isotons, according to an episode of Star Trek:Voyager 50 isotons would destroy a small planet. With out the adaptability of the Borg the Reapers would be dog meat JUST from the photons. Some Star Fleet ship carry an upgraded torpedo, the Quantum Torpedo which was designed to fight the Borg.
No, I don't see Star Fleet having any trouble with the Reapers
BTW Star Trek is set 300 years AFTER the timeline in Mass Effect
The problem with this is that an isoton is a fictional measurement, but there is alot of math where people tried to figure out what it was I cant remember but I believe it came out to be that a Photon torpedo is approximately 68 megatons star trek was always very lose on science making up terms and measurements to suit its needs lol
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Posté 25 mars 2012 - 09:07
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Poor me, no one got the Honorverse reference.
Still think the Manticorian Navy would wipe the floor with them. A few hundred pod laying Super Dreadnoughts would launch tens of thousands of of x-ray producing nuclear missiles at them simultaneously with FTL based targeting feeds (Keyhole-II) for the whole barrage at a range of around 30 million kilometers and approaching 99% of the speed of light.
http://wikibin.org/a...honorverse.html
Still think the Manticorian Navy would wipe the floor with them. A few hundred pod laying Super Dreadnoughts would launch tens of thousands of of x-ray producing nuclear missiles at them simultaneously with FTL based targeting feeds (Keyhole-II) for the whole barrage at a range of around 30 million kilometers and approaching 99% of the speed of light.
http://wikibin.org/a...honorverse.html
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Posté 25 mars 2012 - 09:10
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jarms48 wrote...
Photon Torpedeos ignore shielding, much more effective.
No they dont this is never stated anywhere and shown to be not true plenty of times in all of the series. They also have nowhere near the yield that some of the star wars weapons have, mathmaticaly. Star wars doesnt need Ion cannons because its Turbolasers are so powerful reaper kinetic barriers would simply fold under the first few shots since those barriers can be taken down by sustained fire from Mass effect dreadnaughts who's main guns only have the force of about 38 kilotons
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Posté 25 mars 2012 - 09:13
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UNSC has Master Chief + ODST... Both would literally land on reapers and rip them from the inside, Auto-win (Oh and MAC cannons anyone? lol.)
Covenant would probably lose, but in combo with UNSC would be unstoppable.
Star Wars? Yeah they could probably win.
Protheans already lost (might've won with warning though). Shepard's cycle already won.
And 21st century humans? Us? Now? Lol. Even if every leader around the globe was given a vision by the reapers of what was to come nothing we have could beat them conventionally and we would probably start WW3 first lmao (We would need Star Child rofl).
Covenant would probably lose, but in combo with UNSC would be unstoppable.
Star Wars? Yeah they could probably win.
Protheans already lost (might've won with warning though). Shepard's cycle already won.
And 21st century humans? Us? Now? Lol. Even if every leader around the globe was given a vision by the reapers of what was to come nothing we have could beat them conventionally and we would probably start WW3 first lmao (We would need Star Child rofl).
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#43
Posté 25 mars 2012 - 09:16
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Wave 1
The Reaper Fleet vs. 21st Century Humanity as we know it. = Reaper Win
Wave 2
The Reaper Fleet vs. The UNSC of Halo Lore. = Reapers Win
Wave 3
The Reaper Fleet vs. The Covenant of Halo Lore. = Reapers Win
Wave 4
The Reaper Fleet vs. The full force of the Prothean Empire. = This is hard, the reapers would suffer heavy losses but they would win because of their Sovereign class ships.
Wave 5
The Reaper Fleet vs. The Star Wars galaxy. = Reapers Win
Wave 6
The Reaper Fleet vs. The combined fleets of Shepard's cycle and the Prothean cycle. Can this group finally beat the Reapers conventionally?
= Reapers win + Heavy losses
The Reaper Fleet vs. 21st Century Humanity as we know it. = Reaper Win
Wave 2
The Reaper Fleet vs. The UNSC of Halo Lore. = Reapers Win
Wave 3
The Reaper Fleet vs. The Covenant of Halo Lore. = Reapers Win
Wave 4
The Reaper Fleet vs. The full force of the Prothean Empire. = This is hard, the reapers would suffer heavy losses but they would win because of their Sovereign class ships.
Wave 5
The Reaper Fleet vs. The Star Wars galaxy. = Reapers Win
Wave 6
The Reaper Fleet vs. The combined fleets of Shepard's cycle and the Prothean cycle. Can this group finally beat the Reapers conventionally?
= Reapers win + Heavy losses
#44
Posté 25 mars 2012 - 09:16
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Draconis6666 wrote...
jarms48 wrote...
Photon Torpedeos ignore shielding, much more effective.
No they dont this is never stated anywhere and shown to be not true plenty of times in all of the series. They also have nowhere near the yield that some of the star wars weapons have, mathmaticaly. Star wars doesnt need Ion cannons because its Turbolasers are so powerful reaper kinetic barriers would simply fold under the first few shots since those barriers can be taken down by sustained fire from Mass effect dreadnaughts who's main guns only have the force of about 38 kilotons
They do in the video games and I beleive the Death Star Reactor was ray shielded so only photon torpedeos could penetrate it.
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Posté 25 mars 2012 - 09:17
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Anything in star wars will kill a reaper with absolute ease.
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Posté 25 mars 2012 - 09:20
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101ezylonhxeT wrote...
Anything in star wars will kill a reaper with absolute ease.
Yeah there is just no contest here. I mean, think of Jedi against Husk forces.
Then there is the Death Star, that thing is just insanely powerful. Kills a sovereign class ship in one hit.
The Reapers would be fudged...
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Posté 25 mars 2012 - 09:21
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101ezylonhxeT wrote...
Anything in star wars will kill a reaper with absolute ease.
Nothing can damage a Sovereign class Reaper without the Sovereign class reaper damaging itself.
#48
Posté 25 mars 2012 - 09:22
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Star wars? No problem- ISD is 3 km long, full of weapons carrying 12 squadrons of fighters. VictorySD 1,5 km 4-6 squadrons. SuperSD? Whole Reaper fleet wouldn't stand a chance... I think that Reapers are heavily underpowered as for superior technologically "race". It may be due to fact that they don't improve themselves but race that made them should be far more advanced. On the other hand- Reapers have advantage in land battles.
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Posté 25 mars 2012 - 09:23
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Draconis6666 wrote...
Slash1667 wrote...
The Federation Star Fleet or the Klingon Deep Space Fleet from The Next Generation on would wipe the floor with the Reapers for the same reason the Galactic Empire would. Energy weapons. Apparently a photon torpedo has a yield of 25 isotons, according to an episode of Star Trek:Voyager 50 isotons would destroy a small planet. With out the adaptability of the Borg the Reapers would be dog meat JUST from the photons. Some Star Fleet ship carry an upgraded torpedo, the Quantum Torpedo which was designed to fight the Borg.
No, I don't see Star Fleet having any trouble with the Reapers
BTW Star Trek is set 300 years AFTER the timeline in Mass Effect
The problem with this is that an isoton is a fictional measurement, but there is alot of math where people tried to figure out what it was I cant remember but I believe it came out to be that a Photon torpedo is approximately 68 megatons star trek was always very lose on science making up terms and measurements to suit its needs lol
Yes it is a fictional measurement which is why I added "according to an episode of Star Trek:Voyager 50 isotons would destroy a small planet". With no exact or real measurment I had to pull a comment made in an episode of the show for reference.
However you are correct that a photon torpedo, as explained how they work, would in reality only yeild about 64.4 megatons. We're dealing with fiction here and using Star Trek canon we are able to throw real life out the window and say that 25 "isotons" would more than likely wreck a reaper's shields and possibly the reaper inside.
Just as a side note, after playing Mass Effect 1 last week I noticed something. Soveriegn's shield could take a hell of a beating. Once penetrated there was no protection what so ever. One shot from an Alliance cruiser (I think it was anyway) went straight through Soveriegn.
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Posté 25 mars 2012 - 09:24
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Iwillbeback wrote...
101ezylonhxeT wrote...
Anything in star wars will kill a reaper with absolute ease.
Nothing can damage a Sovereign class Reaper without the Sovereign class reaper damaging itself.
Not true it happens in ME 3, in fact there is an entry in the codex about how the turians used a suprise attack to down several Soverign class reapers with sustained dreadnaught fire before the Reapers could turn around to return fire.
