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[Zardoc]

ReaperMAC wrote...

Zardoc wrote...

ReaperMAC wrote...

I'd like to see how the Reapers fare against the Tyranids. You wanna harvest all organic beings huh? The Hive Mind (not even the Zerg compare) would like a word with you.

Heck, the lack of the Imperial Navy from the Imperium of Man on that list makes me sad.

I firmly believe if the Reapers were to encounter the Necrons they'd be best friends in no time.

Well if they don't have any souls to harvest, they would .

Another interesting comparison would be the Krogan (pre-genophage) vs. Orks. WAAAGH! 

I think that's a pretty easy win for the orks. I mean yeah, the krogan can reproduce very fast alright. But so can the orks, if not more efficient. That and orks are pretty much krogan on crack in just about any aspect.
Of course it depends on how big that WAAAGH is.

Modifié par Zardoc, 26 mars 2012 - 02:57 .

[NY ASS4551N]

It pretty obvious that the Reapers would lose against any battle involving the SW and Warhammer universes, simply because of the technological differences. The Halo universe, on the other hand, I see the Reapers having a very good chance at annihilating both UNSC and Covenant fleets. First and foremost, everyone seems to be forgetting about the Reapers indoctrination power. This is there most important power because this essentially makes them similar to the Flood in the Halo Universe.

With the power of indoctrination, the dead turns into an asset of the Reaper fleets, allowing them to gain the powers of their opponents forces. If this power was to be used wisely in the Halo universe, I can see the UNSC and Covenant fleets quickly turning against each other, making an easy win for the Reapers. The only chance they would have would be resorting to use a super weapon, Halo.

[Sangheili_1337]

NY ASS4551N wrote...

It pretty obvious that the Reapers would lose against any battle involving the SW and Warhammer universes, simply because of the technological differences. The Halo universe, on the other hand, I see the Reapers having a very good chance at annihilating both UNSC and Covenant fleets. First and foremost, everyone seems to be forgetting about the Reapers indoctrination power. This is there most important power because this essentially makes them similar to the Flood in the Halo Universe.

With the power of indoctrination, the dead turns into an asset of the Reaper fleets, allowing them to gain the powers of their opponents forces. If this power was to be used wisely in the Halo universe, I can see the UNSC and Covenant fleets quickly turning against each other, making an easy win for the Reapers. The only chance they would have would be resorting to use a super weapon, Halo.

Why would indoctrination be a game changing element in the Haloverse and not in SW and Warhammer? Indoctrination wouldnt mean much when the Reaper ships are being blown out of the sky. Indoctrination is also a slow process and less effective compared to how the Flood operates. The Flood can infect beings in seconds and use their opponents tech more effectively than their opponents themseles due to being a hivemind with all of the combined knowledge of their victims. Industry wise we see the Covenant built high charity dwarfs the citadel and the super carrier seen in Reach is 27 kilometers long. We know that there are hundreds of these super carriers protecting High charity.

In a Reaper vs haloverse fight they might as well be facing SW and Warhammer, they arent even on the same power scale.

[NReed106]

Sorry wrong thread

Modifié par NReed106, 26 mars 2012 - 03:09 .

[jvara]

The Galactic empire would just wipe the Reapers even if they caught them completely by surprise, just one word: Super Star Destroyer: up to 19km long, Armament: Turbolaser cannons (2,000, fire-linked in groups of 8) Heavy turbolaser cannons (2,000, fire-linked in groups of 8) Assault concussion missile tubes (250) 30 missiles each Heavy ion cannons (250) Phylon Transport Q7 tractor beam projectors (40) Point-defense laser cannons (500) Complements: TIE series starfighters (144) (can number in their thousands if fully loaded) AT-ATs (30) AT-STs (40) Prefabricated garrison bases (2) Various other assault and support craft (total of 200) Y-85 Titan dropships[10].

Just one of this can send the whole Reaper invasion to oblivion, add to this that you said Star Wars Galaxy and you have also the full rebel fleet, Mercenaries armies, the Hutts, etc ...

[TheOptimist]

mooney6023 wrote...

jarms48 wrote...

mooney6023 wrote...

Wave 8: The United Federation of Planets. I mean, are the Reapers that much worse than the Borg?

Star Trek? I don't see them faring as well as the Mass Effect Galaxy and the Borg medicore.

Well, the Borg cubes and spheres seemed to be on par with reapers in size.  But I have know idea what the stopping power of a phaser or photon torpedo is comparitively.

The real question is.  Could the Royal Manticorian Navy and Honor Harrington take them out in wave 9?

Had to comment on this, Harrington would nail the reapers to the wall.  Not only is the firepower of the RMN of ruinously epic proportions, the standoff range of RMN missiles compared to almost any other scifi universe I've seen is utterly mindboggling. 

[Rolling Flame]

Axolotl Shepard wrote...

Wave 10: Reapers vs. Forerunners.
Halo rings, all I got to say.

Wouldn't have to go that far. Fortress-class ships have the ability to destabilise a Halo, and are 100km long.

[jarms48]

ReaperMAC wrote...

I'd like to see how the Reapers fare against the Tyranids. You wanna harvest all organic beings huh? The Hive Mind (not even the Zerg compare) would like a word with you.

Over their millions of dead bodies.

ReaperMAC wrote...

Heck, the lack of the Imperial Navy from the Imperium of Man on that list makes me sad.

I know they should be added in for option 7, personally I think an Emperor class Battleship could take on multiple Reaper Dreadnoughts at once.

1: Its shielding can already withstand all manner of weapons ranging from basic kinetic, energy, plasma, warp, photon, proton etc. Even if you were to penetrate its first shield, you would still have another three to contend with. (And during its down time the hundreds of engineering crews would be working to restore the first)

2: Hull integrity a ship of that pure mass, will have an overwhelming hull strength and seeing as its armoured prow is designed to go straight through ships and asteroids with equal contempt suggests it can take quite a beating.

3: Ordnance capability, we are taking about a universe where everyday is a battle for survival in a hostile galaxy. Where individual ship mounted weapons have the ability to level entire cities, instantly evaporate oceans and glass entire continents. W40k Torpedoes alone are 60 to 200 meters in length, given warheads of either melta, plasma, vortex hell they even use these are boarding craft.

Fighter and Bomber craft are still no exception Fury Interceptors are armed with several lascannon banks, weapons that can rip through even the mightest battle tanks or monstrous creatures not to mention a Fury Interceptor is also 70 meters long. Starhawk Bombers are almost double that, with their own shielding, point defense armourments, plasma/vortex/melta/conventional bombs.

Nothing in the 40k galaxy lacks in firepower or in size.

[Zardoc]

jarms48 wrote...

ReaperMAC wrote...

I'd like to see how the Reapers fare against the Tyranids. You wanna harvest all organic beings huh? The Hive Mind (not even the Zerg compare) would like a word with you.

Over their millions of dead bodies.

ReaperMAC wrote...

Heck, the lack of the Imperial Navy from the Imperium of Man on that list makes me sad.

I know they should be added in for option 7, personally I think an Emperor class Battleship could take on multiple Reaper Dreadnoughts at once.

1: Its shielding can already withstand all manner of weapons ranging from basic kinetic, energy, plasma, warp, photon, proton etc. Even if you were to penetrate its first shield, you would still have another three to contend with. (And during its down time the hundreds of engineering crews would be working to restore the first)

2: Hull integrity a ship of that pure mass, will have an overwhelming hull strength and seeing as its armoured prow is designed to go straight through ships and asteroids with equal contempt suggests it can take quite a beating.

3: Ordnance capability, we are taking about a universe where everyday is a battle for survival in a hostile galaxy. Where individual ship mounted weapons have the ability to level entire cities, instantly evaporate oceans and glass entire continents. W40k Torpedoes alone are 60 to 200 meters in length, given warheads of either melta, plasma, vortex hell they even use these are boarding craft.

Fighter and Bomber craft are still no exception Fury Interceptors are armed with several lascannon banks, weapons that can rip through even the mightest battle tanks or monstrous creatures not to mention a Fury Interceptor is also 70 meters long. Starhawk Bombers are almost double that, with their own shielding, point defense armourments, plasma/vortex/melta/conventional bombs.

Nothing in the 40k galaxy lacks in firepower or in size.

Well, what do you expect from a universe that runs on grimdark and Mary Sues? :>

Pitting anything against 40k is kinda futile, even if you were able to defeat the Imperium (which most other universes wouldn't even remotely be capable of [no offense]), there are still the Nids, Necrons, Orks and Chaos, which means you're still pretty much f*cked.

Modifié par Zardoc, 26 mars 2012 - 03:40 .

[jarms48]

Zardoc wrote...

Well, what do you expect from a universe that runs on grimdark and Mary Sues? :>

Nothing shorter than pure epic win.

[ReaperMAC]

jarms48 wrote...

Over their millions of dead bodies.

 

I can say with confidence that "millions" would be a MASSIVE understatement. 

jarms48 wrote... 

Nothing in the 40k galaxy lacks in firepower or in size.

True that. If all else fails, the crew can overload the cores and take out the ENTIRE Reaper fleet with the detonation. Arrive on a planet infested with Reapers? Exterminatus! 

Zardoc wrote...

I think that's a pretty easy win for the orks. I mean yeah, the krogan can reproduce very fast alright. But so can the orks, if not more efficient. That and orks are pretty much krogan on crack in just about any aspect.
Of course it depends on how big that WAAAGH is.

 

I was thinking the same; spores > thousands of eggs. It would still be an amusing fight, given equal numbers. 

Modifié par ReaperMAC, 26 mars 2012 - 03:44 .

[jumpingkaede]

They'd probably do alright.

www.youtube.com/watch

[jarms48]

ReaperMAC wrote...

I can say with confidence that "millions" would be a MASSIVE understatement. 

Agreed

ReaperMAC wrote...

True that. If all else fails, the crew can overload the cores and take out the ENTIRE Reaper fleet with the detonation. Arrive on a planet infested with Reapers? Exterminatus! 

Exactly lets see how they like facing the horrors of the warp.

ReaperMAC wrote...

I was thinking the same; spores > thousands of eggs. It would still be an amusing fight, given equal numbers.

Well even if the Krogan did win the Orks would grow back being a continuing pestilence in-till their spores have been dealt with. But if the Orks win, well Krogan reproduce naturally so no females no problem.

[Zardoc]

jumpingkaede wrote...

They'd probably do alright.

www.youtube.com/watch

 

[Draconis6666]

Even on the ground Reapers have no chance against the 40k verse, between Titans and Baneblades and Baneblade Variants and things like the Ordinatus Armageddon they would just get blown to pieces on the ground too.

[Arl Raylen]

Draconis6666 wrote...

Even on the ground Reapers have no chance against the 40k verse, between Titans and Baneblades and Baneblade Variants and things like the Ordinatus Armageddon they would just get blown to pieces on the ground too.

The Reapers are pretty intelligent though. If they sent a vanguard into the 40k Universe, do you think they could analyze some of their weapons and technology and make it for themselves?

I know the Reapers aren't really known for pushing the envelope, but in the ME Universe it was never really required. Plus indoctrination could easily get the insectoid races as well as Orks on their side if they are careful about it. All they need is to convince one leader that their cause is a righteous one.

Modifié par Arl Raylen, 26 mars 2012 - 05:54 .

[jarms48]

Arl Raylen wrote...

The Reapers are pretty intelligent though. If they sent a vanguard into the 40k Universe, do you think they could analyze some of their weapons and technology and make it for themselves?

Honestly no, I don't see them doing this at all, no where I have read that they could and would do this.

Arl Raylen wrote...

Plus indoctrination could easily get the insectoid races as well as Orks on their side if they are careful about it. All they need is to convince one leader that their cause is a righteous one.

Now this I can see happening but there begs a question, could the Orks inbuilt psychic abilities resist the attempts of indoctrination? Would the Orks merely attack the vessel?

And indoctrination itself I see having little effect on the 40k Galaxy, the Imperium have put up numerous laws to stop the spread of corruption. The separation of the Imperial Army, the Codex Astarties, all branches of the Inquisition etc.

[Draconis6666]

jarms48 wrote...

Arl Raylen wrote...

The Reapers are pretty intelligent though. If they sent a vanguard into the 40k Universe, do you think they could analyze some of their weapons and technology and make it for themselves?

Honestly no, I don't see them doing this at all, no where I have read that they could and would do this.

Arl Raylen wrote...

Plus indoctrination could easily get the insectoid races as well as Orks on their side if they are careful about it. All they need is to convince one leader that their cause is a righteous one.

Now this I can see happening but there begs a question, could the Orks inbuilt psychic abilities resist the attempts of indoctrination? Would the Orks merely attack the vessel?

And indoctrination itself I see having little effect on the 40k Galaxy, the Imperium have put up numerous laws to stop the spread of corruption. The separation of the Imperial Army, the Codex Astarties, all branches of the Inquisition etc.

Many of the races of 40k are psychic in some form or another as well, that brings how effective indoctrination would even be into question. You couldnt actualy indoctrinate tyranids without indoctrinating the hive mind itself, necrons could not be indoctrinated, eldar are naturaly psychic would they not be able to detect indoctrination? The forces of chaos expecialy the demons are beholden to rules and powers greater than themselves that defy comprehension and likely could not be indoctrinated against them. 

[Crasher027]

Edit; Someone beat me to it! Disregard!

Modifié par Crasher027, 26 mars 2012 - 06:42 .

[Arl Raylen]

jarms48 wrote...

Arl Raylen wrote...

The Reapers are pretty intelligent though. If they sent a vanguard into the 40k Universe, do you think they could analyze some of their weapons and technology and make it for themselves?

Honestly no, I don't see them doing this at all, no where I have read that they could and would do this.

Arl Raylen wrote...

Plus indoctrination could easily get the insectoid races as well as Orks on their side if they are careful about it. All they need is to convince one leader that their cause is a righteous one.

Now this I can see happening but there begs a question, could the Orks inbuilt psychic abilities resist the attempts of indoctrination? Would the Orks merely attack the vessel?

And indoctrination itself I see having little effect on the 40k Galaxy, the Imperium have put up numerous laws to stop the spread of corruption. The separation of the Imperial Army, the Codex Astarties, all branches of the Inquisition etc.

Hmm well you know much more about the 40k universe than I do but seeing as the Reapers were able to indoctrinate such strong minded people such as Saren and The Illusive Man I can see them at least getting a few sleeper agents within the Warhammer Races.

Now, whether or not this proves to be effective at all is the real question. Because from what I've seen the Reapers pale in comparison militarily to anything in that verse.

[Draconis6666]

Arl Raylen wrote...

jarms48 wrote...

Arl Raylen wrote...

The Reapers are pretty intelligent though. If they sent a vanguard into the 40k Universe, do you think they could analyze some of their weapons and technology and make it for themselves?

Honestly no, I don't see them doing this at all, no where I have read that they could and would do this.

Arl Raylen wrote...

Plus indoctrination could easily get the insectoid races as well as Orks on their side if they are careful about it. All they need is to convince one leader that their cause is a righteous one.

Now this I can see happening but there begs a question, could the Orks inbuilt psychic abilities resist the attempts of indoctrination? Would the Orks merely attack the vessel?

And indoctrination itself I see having little effect on the 40k Galaxy, the Imperium have put up numerous laws to stop the spread of corruption. The separation of the Imperial Army, the Codex Astarties, all branches of the Inquisition etc.

Hmm well you know much more about the 40k universe than I do but seeing as the Reapers were able to indoctrinate such strong minded people such as Saren and The Illusive Man I can see them at least getting a few sleeper agents within the Warhammer Races.

Now, whether or not this proves to be effective at all is the real question. Because from what I've seen the Reapers pale in comparison militarily to anything in that verse.

Possible but the problem with sleeper agents is that at least in the Imperium NO ONE is above suspicion, everyone is constantly watched by everyone else and everyone expects everyone else to possibly be a traitor.

[Arl Raylen]

Draconis6666 wrote...

jarms48 wrote...

Arl Raylen wrote...

The Reapers are pretty intelligent though. If they sent a vanguard into the 40k Universe, do you think they could analyze some of their weapons and technology and make it for themselves?

Honestly no, I don't see them doing this at all, no where I have read that they could and would do this.

Arl Raylen wrote...

Plus indoctrination could easily get the insectoid races as well as Orks on their side if they are careful about it. All they need is to convince one leader that their cause is a righteous one.

Now this I can see happening but there begs a question, could the Orks inbuilt psychic abilities resist the attempts of indoctrination? Would the Orks merely attack the vessel?

And indoctrination itself I see having little effect on the 40k Galaxy, the Imperium have put up numerous laws to stop the spread of corruption. The separation of the Imperial Army, the Codex Astarties, all branches of the Inquisition etc.

Many of the races of 40k are psychic in some form or another as well, that brings how effective indoctrination would even be into question. You couldnt actualy indoctrinate tyranids without indoctrinating the hive mind itself, necrons could not be indoctrinated, eldar are naturaly psychic would they not be able to detect indoctrination? The forces of chaos expecialy the demons are beholden to rules and powers greater than themselves that defy comprehension and likely could not be indoctrinated against them. 

I know there is nothing equivalent to being "Psychic" in the ME universe but I'd imagine that Indoctrination could have an effect on them. After all, it affects the brain and its organic aspects, so wouldn't it get past any sort of mystic force?

[Johnnycide]

Shepard and Jim Raynor vs. Reapers

Do it.

[Arl Raylen]

Draconis6666 wrote...

Arl Raylen wrote...

jarms48 wrote...

Arl Raylen wrote...

The Reapers are pretty intelligent though. If they sent a vanguard into the 40k Universe, do you think they could analyze some of their weapons and technology and make it for themselves?

Honestly no, I don't see them doing this at all, no where I have read that they could and would do this.

Arl Raylen wrote...

Plus indoctrination could easily get the insectoid races as well as Orks on their side if they are careful about it. All they need is to convince one leader that their cause is a righteous one.

Now this I can see happening but there begs a question, could the Orks inbuilt psychic abilities resist the attempts of indoctrination? Would the Orks merely attack the vessel?

And indoctrination itself I see having little effect on the 40k Galaxy, the Imperium have put up numerous laws to stop the spread of corruption. The separation of the Imperial Army, the Codex Astarties, all branches of the Inquisition etc.

Hmm well you know much more about the 40k universe than I do but seeing as the Reapers were able to indoctrinate such strong minded people such as Saren and The Illusive Man I can see them at least getting a few sleeper agents within the Warhammer Races.

Now, whether or not this proves to be effective at all is the real question. Because from what I've seen the Reapers pale in comparison militarily to anything in that verse.

Possible but the problem with sleeper agents is that at least in the Imperium NO ONE is above suspicion, everyone is constantly watched by everyone else and everyone expects everyone else to possibly be a traitor.

I'm dipping deep into lore I don't quite understand, but what if the guy on the Golden Throne (the Emperor?) was indoctrinated? That beacon they use to direct FTL would be disabled, and then the Reapers would have a marginally better chance of taking on their Empire.

[effortname]

Being closed minded and dogmatic is something to be praised in the 40k universe, so it'd be like squeezing blood from a stone trying to indoctrinate them.