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[The Angry One]

Vhalkyrie wrote...

Hadeedak wrote...

Kaidan and Garrus ARE pretty awesome, as is Thane (despite his early death and the complete lack of aftermath for it....), but I sure would like more choices.

Gaddamnit, Vega and Joker. I swear you're just trolling me.

I thought Joker's reaction at the dance club was pretty funny if Shepard asks, "What about you and me?"  He says something like, "Uh.  I never thought of you that way.  There's that whole chain of command thing.  I'm not Kaidan. Pfft."  I laughed.  Touche, Joker.  Touche.

He also says "If it weren't for regs I'd totally rock your world." Needed a renegade interrupt to pull his arm and say "Put up or shut up, Joker!".
Well maybe not pull his arm.

[HurricaneGinger]

I posted this in the Joker Support Thread:

PhantomGinger wrote...

Ugh, tell me about it. ManShep can have almost anyone, but FemShep?

Garr-bear can only be romanced in ME2.
Thane dies.
Jacob cheats on you.
Then there's Kaidan.
(Since we are talking about straight females, I shall not include Liara.)

So...four male LIs for FemShep, but only two stay true and live throughout ME3. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie]

How many LIs does ManShep have?

Liara
Tali
Ashley
Miranda
Jack
All of which can live. None of them cheat on Shep, or die.

So, I totally agree with you! As a straight female, I feel left out. Joker would have been a perfect addition.

In short, straight FemShep DOES get screwed over. Not that Garrus and Kaidan aren't great, they are! Just...

BIOWARE Y U NO GIVE FEMSHEP MORE OPTIONS?!

[Baronesa]

The Angry One wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...

Hadeedak wrote...

Kaidan and Garrus ARE pretty awesome, as is Thane (despite his early death and the complete lack of aftermath for it....), but I sure would like more choices.

Gaddamnit, Vega and Joker. I swear you're just trolling me.

I thought Joker's reaction at the dance club was pretty funny if Shepard asks, "What about you and me?"  He says something like, "Uh.  I never thought of you that way.  There's that whole chain of command thing.  I'm not Kaidan. Pfft."  I laughed.  Touche, Joker.  Touche.

He also says "If it weren't for regs I'd totally rock your world." Needed a renegade interrupt to pull his arm and say "Put up or shut up, Joker!".
Well maybe not pull his arm.

I insist... if you could hook up EDI with Traynor... then you could get a Joker LI option... everyone happy

[Trapper_920]

Baronesa wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...

Hadeedak wrote...

Kaidan and Garrus ARE pretty awesome, as is Thane (despite his early death and the complete lack of aftermath for it....), but I sure would like more choices.

Gaddamnit, Vega and Joker. I swear you're just trolling me.

I thought Joker's reaction at the dance club was pretty funny if Shepard asks, "What about you and me?"  He says something like, "Uh.  I never thought of you that way.  There's that whole chain of command thing.  I'm not Kaidan. Pfft."  I laughed.  Touche, Joker.  Touche.

He also says "If it weren't for regs I'd totally rock your world." Needed a renegade interrupt to pull his arm and say "Put up or shut up, Joker!".
Well maybe not pull his arm.

I insist... if you could hook up EDI with Traynor... then you could get a Joker LI option... everyone happy

I love this idea. Traynor was already talking about EDI's voice after all, you know shes into it.

[SilentK]

Vhalkyrie wrote...

VerdantSF wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...

I never romanced Jacob (and never will).  I've heard about the priiiize thing, but don't know what that is?

The Priiiize

That is...hahaha...oh dear...

There is more to Jacob than just that line. He has a great romance-arc. Here's a really good youtube-vid that a fellow here on BSN had made

FemShep Jacob

Going from that happy loving feeling to Jacob looking surprised at seeing you alive, and cheating on you. It is quite a punch in the gut.

[LucyMaire]

So true. Thane and Jacob were kicked out, that leaves Garrus and if you didn't romance him in ME2, you're screwed. Well there's Kaidan but he either died on Virmire or was incredibly annoying to me.
Not.fair.Bioware.

[Marixus99.9]

Baronesa wrote...

Missy_MI wrote...

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...
Depends on what defines the "gaming population." It's as much of a minority as some people think, don't know the statistic, but isn't it almost half by now?

I guess we'd need to know the the statistics for RPGs.  I know a lot of women like games like Bejeweled and The Sims and Farmsville.  I'd be more interested to know many women have played Witcher or any of the single player Final Fantasy games.

I wonder if BioWare has good data on their playerbase gender ratio.  It would be interesting to see if the number of female gamers has gone up since say, KOTOR.

I think Bioware and other RPG developers have more female fans, because we do get the option to play as females. If more  companies introduced that option to their games, it would be more inclussive.

A case in point. There is no reason for a game like Ghostbusters, that has no voice over for the player character, to not have a female option.

Hey .. I remember an mmo called EvE online once did a survey and found only 5% of the players were female and I'm sure its still around that number since I played earlier this year and heard only 1 female voice out of a few dozens voices in the game's mic system. 

The game always had a character creator with females but it would only end up as a portrait that showed the face so nothing sexual. The game developers concluded that female players don't like spaceships and years later full human avatars were released with customizable clothing. Good thing that was cut short and they went back to spaceships ~

Point is .. the minority and casual stereotypes seems is strong and the games don't even need human avatars to drive away potential female gamers apparently. Bioware seems to have it better with a larger percentage of female players then normal .. but its still rare for me to see a female PvPer. 

It would be nice of things were balanced, so its not a "surprise" to some people to hear a female voice on mic and maybe it would get rid of those awful attention ****s.

/end random rant

[Baronesa]

Marixus99.9 wrote...
Hey .. I remember an mmo called EvE online once did a survey and found only 5% of the players were female and I'm sure its still around that number since I played earlier this year and heard only 1 female voice out of a few dozens voices in the game's mic system. 

The game always had a character creator with females but it would only end up as a portrait that showed the face so nothing sexual. The game developers concluded that female players don't like spaceships and years later full human avatars were released with customizable clothing. Good thing that was cut short and they went back to spaceships ~

Point is .. the minority and casual stereotypes seems is strong and the games don't even need human avatars to drive away potential female gamers apparently. Bioware seems to have it better with a larger percentage of female players then normal .. but its still rare for me to see a female PvPer. 

It would be nice of things were balanced, so its not a "surprise" to some people to hear a female voice on mic and maybe it would get rid of those awful attention ****s.

/end random rant

MMO are different beasts... and I can say there are a lot of female gamers on the only MMO I play, City of Heroes.

[Marixus99.9]

Baronesa wrote...

Marixus99.9 wrote...
my rant

MMO are different beasts... and I can say there are a lot of female gamers on the only MMO I play, City of Heroes.

Really? What are they doing that's causing it?

[The Angry One]

EvE is a bit of a niche mmo in any case. I suppose it appeals mostly to males.
World of Warcraft and such have far higher female populations.

[Vhalkyrie]

Marixus99.9 wrote...

Point is .. the minority and casual stereotypes seems is strong and the games don't even need human avatars to drive away potential female gamers apparently. Bioware seems to have it better with a larger percentage of female players then normal .. but its still rare for me to see a female PvPer. 

It would be nice of things were balanced, so its not a "surprise" to some people to hear a female voice on mic and maybe it would get rid of those awful attention ****s.

/end random rant

I played on a PvP server in WoW.  Had a level 50 priest and paladin.  Stopped playing when they started making the gameplay 'easier' for the casual player.  I didn't often join big raids on the voice mic because I didn't really like the ridiculous comments.  I duo'ed with a friend of mine, and was content in silence knowing a girl was kicking their butt.

[Trapper_920]

Marixus99.9 wrote...

Hey .. I remember an mmo called EvE online once did a survey and found only 5% of the players were female and I'm sure its still around that number since I played earlier this year and heard only 1 female voice out of a few dozens voices in the game's mic system. 

The game always had a character creator with females but it would only end up as a portrait that showed the face so nothing sexual. The game developers concluded that female players don't like spaceships and years later full human avatars were released with customizable clothing. Good thing that was cut short and they went back to spaceships ~

Point is .. the minority and casual stereotypes seems is strong and the games don't even need human avatars to drive away potential female gamers apparently. Bioware seems to have it better with a larger percentage of female players then normal .. but its still rare for me to see a female PvPer. 

It would be nice of things were balanced, so its not a "surprise" to some people to hear a female voice on mic and maybe it would get rid of those awful attention ****s.

/end random rant

Dude I don't know where your coming from. EVE still has that CC by the way and thats the only reason I use the game and I'm a guy. EVE is flat out boreing thats why no one plays it. I just get a trial make something and take screen caps but all you get is a head shot for the avatar if you want to actually play the game.

Back on topic 90% of my friends are game playing females. I am a Femshep player and she gets the short end of the stick. There is a serious lack of human LI options.

Modifié par Trapper_920, 03 avril 2012 - 03:00 .

[Marixus99.9]

Vhalkyrie wrote...

Marixus99.9 wrote...

Point is .. the minority and casual stereotypes seems is strong and the games don't even need human avatars to drive away potential female gamers apparently. Bioware seems to have it better with a larger percentage of female players then normal .. but its still rare for me to see a female PvPer. 

It would be nice of things were balanced, so its not a "surprise" to some people to hear a female voice on mic and maybe it would get rid of those awful attention ****s.

/end random rant

I played on a PvP server in WoW.  Had a level 50 priest and paladin.  Stopped playing when they started making the gameplay 'easier' for the casual player.  I didn't often join big raids on the voice mic because I didn't really like the ridiculous comments.  I duo'ed with a friend of mine, and was content in silence knowing a girl was kicking their butt.

If more of you would speak up maybe it would start looking like the norm and the stereotype will go away ..

Trapper_920 wrote...

Dude I don't know where your coming from. EVE still has that CC by the way and thats the only reason I use the game and I'm a guy. EVE is flat out boreing thats why no one plays it. I just get a trial make something and take screen caps but all you get is a head shot for the avatar if you want to actually play the game.

I meant the focus .. they went to focusing more on spaceships again rather then Incarna. If EvE is boring to you then its not for you, simple. 

Edit: Heck it would be better if EvE just advertise itself as a sandbox PvP focused game and if you're a WoW player then you might not like it.

Modifié par Marixus99.9, 03 avril 2012 - 03:03 .

[Johanna]

The Angry One wrote...

Speaking for myself I don't play games like The Witcher because they have set male characters, and in RPGs that's a huge put off for me.

Same.

I will no longer purchase an RPG if it does not give me the option of playing my gender. 

[Baronesa]

pants witch wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Speaking for myself I don't play games like The Witcher because they have set male characters, and in RPGs that's a huge put off for me.

Same.

I will no longer purchase an RPG if it does not give me the option of playing my gender. 

that is why I didn't got Alpha Protocol when it was on sale on Steam...  There are already plenty of old games that force me to play as male... why should I get another one?

[Trapper_920]

pants witch wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Speaking for myself I don't play games like The Witcher because they have set male characters, and in RPGs that's a huge put off for me.

Same.

I will no longer purchase an RPG if it does not give me the option of playing my gender. 

I hear that. I don't typically don't buy games that don't have the option for picking your gender.

[Trapper_920]

Marixus99.9 wrote...

Trapper_920 wrote...

Dude I don't know where your coming from. EVE still has that CC by the way and thats the only reason I use the game and I'm a guy. EVE is flat out boreing thats why no one plays it. I just get a trial make something and take screen caps but all you get is a head shot for the avatar if you want to actually play the game.

I meant the focus .. they went to focusing more on spaceships again rather then Incarna. If EvE is boring to you then its not for you, simple.

What do you mean? They have always had a focus on ships. They have had one of the best CC's I've seen since I beta tested the game but you only ever get a single avatar that you can't change.

Modifié par Trapper_920, 03 avril 2012 - 03:06 .

[Vhalkyrie]

Marixus99.9 wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...
I played on a PvP server in WoW.  Had a level 50 priest and paladin.  Stopped playing when they started making the gameplay 'easier' for the casual player.  I didn't often join big raids on the voice mic because I didn't really like the ridiculous comments.  I duo'ed with a friend of mine, and was content in silence knowing a girl was kicking their butt.

If more of you would speak up maybe it would start looking like the norm and the stereotype will go away ..

It's exhausting and exasperating to join these things and inevitably someone has to state the obvious - "hurr hurr omg there's a girl".  Especially on pvp servers some of the people can be...shall we say...immature.  The experience would be more enjoyable if more people like you would tell them, "Yeah, so what?" or kick them out of the group if they're being a twit.

[Johanna]

Vhalkyrie wrote...

Marixus99.9 wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...
I played on a PvP server in WoW.  Had a level 50 priest and paladin.  Stopped playing when they started making the gameplay 'easier' for the casual player.  I didn't often join big raids on the voice mic because I didn't really like the ridiculous comments.  I duo'ed with a friend of mine, and was content in silence knowing a girl was kicking their butt.

If more of you would speak up maybe it would start looking like the norm and the stereotype will go away ..

It's exhausting and exasperating to join these things and inevitably someone has to state the obvious - "hurr hurr omg there's a girl".  Especially on pvp servers some of the people can be...shall we say...immature.  The experience would be more enjoyable if more people like you would tell them, "Yeah, so what?" or kick them out of the group if they're being a twit.

Yeeeeeeep.  Even in ME3MP the old "kitchen's THAT way, c***" was not... unusual.
Games are supposed to be fun.  Being dehumanized is not fun.  When dehumanization becomes part of a game, that game is no longer fun.  When a game is no longer fun, I no longer play.

[Lucky Thirteen]

J-Sheridan wrote...

Everyone knows Shepard is male... femsheps are just an 'alternate' universe. Like Revan being female in KOTOR or the Exile being male in KOTOR 2.

You know why this is a really bad example. Because Female Exile also got really screwed on her romance options. She had absolutely no one at all while male exile had Brianna and Visas. If you mod KOTOR2 you can squeeze a third one in because of the cut content files stored in there for Mira.

With female Exile you can barely mod Mical into a romance, but there's so much missing plus the fact so very few fans actually wanted him at all I just can't count him as a full romance. I remember everyone wanted Atton or Bao-Dur, but it just doesn't exist with them. At the most Atton has some unrequited love lines in a cut death scene and Bao-Dur has too much of a fetish for droids. Even with cut content, Bao-Dur just disappears towards the end of the game without story explanation.

However, KOTOR2 was back in 2004, nearly a decade ago and additionally, Obsidian wasn't allowed enough time to finish the game. So they catered to the male half first.

In the case with Bioware, it's like they reverted back to that decade a go thinking when it comes to their fan base. They did such a wonderful job catering to the female fan base in ME2 with Thane, Garrus, and Jacob. Then turn around and cut out Thane and Jacob and only make Garrus available by import. It would really suck if a new player set up the game with Kaidan dead because all they would be limited to same sex options. It's not that I'm displeased there are so many same sex options, in fact I'm quite happy to see Bioware had opened up to this finally for the same sex male half. I'm displeased that that's all there is besides Kaidan for female Shepard.


In my case, I was pretty set that my Shepard would stick with Thane even if he died, but if I had planned otherwise Kaidan friendzoned my Shepard because I didn't buy him booze. Though I was happy for this, if I had been someone that had planned to have their Shepard move on(or back) to Kaidan, I would have been screwed just because I had no idea what that whiskey was doing in a hospital. Couldn't it have been like, a big teddy bear or a bunch of balloons or something. Why is whiskey allowed in ICU?

I don't care if more play male Shepard and the straight male fan base is larger, there is a good chuck of female Shepard players and female fan base is large enough that this shouldn't have happened.

It's 2012 you guys, come on Bioware. You fixed one social issue problem and then went back to another.

[Missy_MI]

Baronesa wrote...
MMO are different beasts... and I can say there are a lot of female gamers on the only MMO I play, City of Heroes.

Agreed.  Most of the women I met on World of Warcraft were there so they could spend time with their significant others as a social activity.  I think the number of girls who play on their own initiative has increased now, but MMOs are still basically social games.

Single player RPGs like Mass Effect are a different story.  Sometimes girls like to save the galaxy and 'get the girl/guy too'.  Or in ME3's case we like to save... um, life in general.  Yeah.  Some vague life in general.

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

J-Sheridan wrote...
Everyone knows Shepard is male... femsheps are just an 'alternate' universe. Like Revan being female in KOTOR or the Exile being male in KOTOR 2.

You
know why this is a really bad example. Because Female Exile also got
really screwed on her romance options.

Ha ha KOTOR2.  Yes, yes we did get screwed with those options.

Atton: "Do you want to play pazaak?"
Exile: "Actually could we have a real conversation?"
Atton: "Do you want to play pazaak?"
Exile: "Um, is that like a euphemism for something or..?"
Atton: "Do you want to play pazaak?"
Exile: *sigh*

Modifié par Missy_MI, 03 avril 2012 - 03:21 .

[The Angry One]

pants witch wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...

Marixus99.9 wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...
I played on a PvP server in WoW.  Had a level 50 priest and paladin.  Stopped playing when they started making the gameplay 'easier' for the casual player.  I didn't often join big raids on the voice mic because I didn't really like the ridiculous comments.  I duo'ed with a friend of mine, and was content in silence knowing a girl was kicking their butt.

If more of you would speak up maybe it would start looking like the norm and the stereotype will go away ..

It's exhausting and exasperating to join these things and inevitably someone has to state the obvious - "hurr hurr omg there's a girl".  Especially on pvp servers some of the people can be...shall we say...immature.  The experience would be more enjoyable if more people like you would tell them, "Yeah, so what?" or kick them out of the group if they're being a twit.

Yeeeeeeep.  Even in ME3MP the old "kitchen's THAT way, c***" was not... unusual.
Games are supposed to be fun.  Being dehumanized is not fun.  When dehumanization becomes part of a game, that game is no longer fun.  When a game is no longer fun, I no longer play.

Yeah the amount of tosspots online and in voice chats is disconcerting.
Now if you find a guild or clan or whatnot with good people that's different, but out in the random wastes..

[The Angry One]

Missy_MI wrote...

Baronesa wrote...
MMO are different beasts... and I can say there are a lot of female gamers on the only MMO I play, City of Heroes.

Agreed.  Most of the women I met on World of Warcraft were there so they could spend time with their significant others as a social activity.  I think the number of girls who play on their own initiative has increased now, but MMOs are still basically social games.

Single player RPGs like Mass Effect are a different story.  Sometimes girls like to save the galaxy and 'get the girl/guy too'.  Or in ME3's case we like to save... um, life in general.  Yeah.  Some vague life in general.

I don't know I guess there's still a stigma with women playing videogames in some parts (which is ridiculous) and I suppose going online with one's partner alleviates that. Or maybe it stops creepy stalkers, I don't know.
Still the number of female gamers off and online are growing all the time and I don't see that stopping.

[Marixus99.9]

Trapper_920 wrote...

Marixus99.9 wrote...

Trapper_920 wrote...

Dude I don't know where your coming from. EVE still has that CC by the way and thats the only reason I use the game and I'm a guy. EVE is flat out boreing thats why no one plays it. I just get a trial make something and take screen caps but all you get is a head shot for the avatar if you want to actually play the game.

I meant the focus .. they went to focusing more on spaceships again rather then Incarna. If EvE is boring to you then its not for you, simple.

What do you mean? They have always had a focus on ships. They have had one of the best CC's I've seen since I beta tested the game but you only ever get a single avatar that you can't change.

Most of the time, but with incarna they did a few graphic changes and balance tweaks for ships while the main focus was the whole walking in stations fluff with a store for "clothes". 

Also don't bother responding since you blocked me when I tried to move it off the topic :innocent:. I was using EvE as an example of women minority for reasons I don't know ..

[Quietness]

Vhalkyrie wrote...

Marixus99.9 wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...
I played on a PvP server in WoW.  Had a level 50 priest and paladin.  Stopped playing when they started making the gameplay 'easier' for the casual player.  I didn't often join big raids on the voice mic because I didn't really like the ridiculous comments.  I duo'ed with a friend of mine, and was content in silence knowing a girl was kicking their butt.

If more of you would speak up maybe it would start looking like the norm and the stereotype will go away ..

It's exhausting and exasperating to join these things and inevitably someone has to state the obvious - "hurr hurr omg there's a girl".  Especially on pvp servers some of the people can be...shall we say...immature.  The experience would be more enjoyable if more people like you would tell them, "Yeah, so what?" or kick them out of the group if they're being a twit.

My wife had issues constantly so she generally let me talk on vent and just listened when we were outside of guild only runs.