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Marixus99.9 wrote...

Trapper_920 wrote...

Marixus99.9 wrote...

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Dude I don't know where your coming from. EVE still has that CC by the way and thats the only reason I use the game and I'm a guy. EVE is flat out boreing thats why no one plays it. I just get a trial make something and take screen caps but all you get is a head shot for the avatar if you want to actually play the game.


I meant the focus .. they went to focusing more on spaceships again rather then Incarna. If EvE is boring to you then its not for you, simple.


What do you mean? They have always had a focus on ships. They have had one of the best CC's I've seen since I beta tested the game but you only ever get a single avatar that you can't change.


Most of the time, but with incarna they did a few graphic changes and balance tweaks for ships while the main focus was the whole walking in stations fluff with a store for "clothes". 

Also don't bother responding since you blocked me when I tried to move it off the topic :innocent:. I was using EvE as an example of women minority for reasons I don't know ..


Only friends get to PM me not trolls. That is an aweful example for female gamers by the way.

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Soltana wrote...

They seriously should have at least given us Vega since they were so intent on giving Joker a sexbot...


I thought making a romance between Joker and the AI was a nice touch, considering the story stuff surrounding AIs and the Geth. Not sure what you'd call that exactly (since EDI doesn't have ANY female organs, despite the... chassis), but it fits. Doubly so if Synthesis ending is chosen, where they presumably are able to swap kernel data packets or something in order to spawn off a secondary process. *cough*

But yes, I wish they had made Vega a persuadable option. Bet the devs had a real laugh over making him such a tease though! *lol*

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Trapper_920 wrote...

Only friends get to PM me not trolls. That is an aweful example for female gamers by the way.


How am I trolling? Even if the game isn't fun to you .. I'm interested in why out of the current playerbase that do like the game, is there a female percentage so low. Is it because of some sort of gameplay women don't like, the community, what?

Modifié par Marixus99.9, 03 avril 2012 - 03:34 .


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Vega is the equivalent to Miranda, a hypersexualized big tease. However Vega isn't a romance. Can you imagine if Miranda wasn't a romance. All those butt shots and flirtation going on and then nothing happens.

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SilentK wrote...

There is more to Jacob than just that line. He has a great romance-arc. Here's a really good youtube-vid that a fellow here on BSN had made

FemShep Jacob

Going from that happy loving feeling to Jacob looking surprised at seeing you alive, and cheating on you. It is quite a punch in the gut.


What the heck were they thinking with Jacob?  That whole baby thing pretty much kills any chance of them doing a retcon.

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Vhalkyrie wrote...

SilentK wrote...

There is more to Jacob than just that line. He has a great romance-arc. Here's a really good youtube-vid that a fellow here on BSN had made

FemShep Jacob

Going from that happy loving feeling to Jacob looking surprised at seeing you alive, and cheating on you. It is quite a punch in the gut.


What the heck were they thinking with Jacob?  That whole baby thing pretty much kills any chance of them doing a retcon.


They decided dialogue with Diana Allers was more important.

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Why wasn't Vega an LI? That really makes NO sense.

I mean I figure Beefcake Boy was almost put in BECAUSE of LI possibilities. That really makes NO sense.

Also, I've been flirting with him on my femshep on 2nd playthrough, and the sexual tension is just mounting between the two of them.

So why no mounting between the two of them?!

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Vega not being a LI was not too surprising. The flirting seems something that was more of just how he plays around .He super super Hero worships Shepard. So when she calls him to the carpet he just kinda trips and falls

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MrGone wrote...

Why wasn't Vega an LI? That really makes NO sense.

I mean I figure Beefcake Boy was almost put in BECAUSE of LI possibilities. That really makes NO sense.

Also, I've been flirting with him on my femshep on 2nd playthrough, and the sexual tension is just mounting between the two of them.

So why no mounting between the two of them?!


I suppose they could put that as a side thing in a DLC. Enough people want Vega that they just might. (assuming ending is fixed etc etc etc)

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Even if the argument that the white male demographic is what Bioware was shooting for was completely valid (and while I admit there is some truth to it I don't believe that it holds as much weight as it is sometimes given) it was still very unfair for Bioware to screw over FemShep like that with Thane and Jacob.

Though ME2 romances in general that weren't Tali/Garrus kind of got shoved to the side at least Miranda and Jack got closure and stayed with Sheploo to the end if he stayed with them. They even got a holographic goodbye at the end. It's not much, but it's definitely better than having Thane die no matter what and not even get an achievement/codex entry and having Jacob cheat on you, have a kid, and have the mom want to name it after you just to pour salt in the wound. I mean imagine if Jack found another guy and got pregnant while you were gone for 6 months on Earth, and although you could've seen the "Thane dies" thing coming, he really didn't get that much unique romance content at all.

I say this all from the point of view of a very content loyal Kaidanmancer point of view. I'm happy with what I got but I feel for the poor LI's (for males or females) that were neglected in this game.

Edit: Minor spelling/grammar issues

Modifié par catgirl789, 03 avril 2012 - 03:54 .


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MrGone wrote...

Why wasn't Vega an LI? That really makes NO sense.

I mean I figure Beefcake Boy was almost put in BECAUSE of LI possibilities. That really makes NO sense.

Also, I've been flirting with him on my femshep on 2nd playthrough, and the sexual tension is just mounting between the two of them.

So why no mounting between the two of them?!


It is this weird sexual tension between them.  But it was all just a big tease.  When one would make a move, the other would pull back.  When he came to her cabin, I was like "Aww yeah!"  Then she kicked him out, and I was like, "Wait, what?"  Then Allers came in and made a pass at me.  And I was like, "Wait, what?"

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Awesome ways to gain female players:

1. Design an entirely new bad-ass species and character made specifically for female players. Kill Him Off. yay!
2 Grant solid solider type romance. Have him cheat on you!

Honestly, at this point I don't know why Thane and Jacob were even option in ME2 if they were going to be thrown under a bus in ME3.

And please don't reply with ..you knew Thane was going to die bulls***, there is an entire thread discussing his non-romance if you would like to read it.

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Vhalkyrie wrote...

MrGone wrote...

Why wasn't Vega an LI? That really makes NO sense.

I mean I figure Beefcake Boy was almost put in BECAUSE of LI possibilities. That really makes NO sense.

Also, I've been flirting with him on my femshep on 2nd playthrough, and the sexual tension is just mounting between the two of them.

So why no mounting between the two of them?!


It is this weird sexual tension between them.  But it was all just a big tease.  When one would make a move, the other would pull back.  When he came to her cabin, I was like "Aww yeah!"  Then she kicked him out, and I was like, "Wait, what?"  Then Allers came in and made a pass at me.  And I was like, "Wait, what?"


I had that exact same reaction. I literally blurted out "You're kidding, right!?".

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MrGone wrote...
Also, I've been flirting with him on my femshep on 2nd playthrough, and the sexual tension is just mounting between the two of them.

So why no mounting between the two of them?!

Ha ha, I see what you did there.

Actually, I don't get the tease thing either.  There's that scene in the beginning where you talk to Vega and he's doing pull ups or whatever.  It seemed like fairly blatant eye candy.

Maybe he was originally intended as an LI and got scrapped for some reason?

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Vhalkyrie wrote...

SilentK wrote...

There is more to Jacob than just that line. He has a great romance-arc. Here's a really good youtube-vid that a fellow here on BSN had made

FemShep Jacob

Going from that happy loving feeling to Jacob looking surprised at seeing you alive, and cheating on you. It is quite a punch in the gut.


What the heck were they thinking with Jacob?  That whole baby thing pretty much kills any chance of them doing a retcon.


I know right? I wrote up a quick post on this situation a little while ago. I think they probably meant to have Jacob continue as an LI, and the pregnacy thing was only supposed to occur if you didn't romance him, sort of like if you don't romance Garrus or Tali, they hook up.

But then, I think the devs ran out of time and rushed a bunch of things towards the end. The Jacob issue is a lot smaller compared to the ending or the copypasta endings.

Seriously I think half the issues with the endings would have been overlooked if they weren't so obviously slapped together using the same assets.

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MrGone wrote...

Why wasn't Vega an LI? That really makes NO sense.

I mean I figure Beefcake Boy was almost put in BECAUSE of LI possibilities. That really makes NO sense.

Also, I've been flirting with him on my femshep on 2nd playthrough, and the sexual tension is just mounting between the two of them.

So why no mounting between the two of them?!


I admit I like his persona and I'd support a LI with Vega because of it but just curious are women really into that sort of figure?

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Vhalkyrie wrote...

MrGone wrote...

Why wasn't Vega an LI? That really makes NO sense.

I mean I figure Beefcake Boy was almost put in BECAUSE of LI possibilities. That really makes NO sense.

Also, I've been flirting with him on my femshep on 2nd playthrough, and the sexual tension is just mounting between the two of them.

So why no mounting between the two of them?!


It is this weird sexual tension between them.  But it was all just a big tease.  When one would make a move, the other would pull back.  When he came to her cabin, I was like "Aww yeah!"  Then she kicked him out, and I was like, "Wait, what?"  Then Allers came in and made a pass at me.  And I was like, "Wait, what?"


Oh yea that was weird and unexpected.

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Quietness wrote...

Vega not being a LI was not too surprising. The flirting seems something that was more of just how he plays around .He super super Hero worships Shepard. So when she calls him to the carpet he just kinda trips and falls


That makes sense.
Shame, though.  My Shep wanted him to nail her to the bed. :wub:

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Trapper_920 wrote...

MrGone wrote...

Why wasn't Vega an LI? That really makes NO sense.

I mean I figure Beefcake Boy was almost put in BECAUSE of LI possibilities. That really makes NO sense.

Also, I've been flirting with him on my femshep on 2nd playthrough, and the sexual tension is just mounting between the two of them.

So why no mounting between the two of them?!


I admit I like his persona and I'd support a LI with Vega because of it but just curious are women really into that sort of figure?


From my experience, not every woman, but some women certainly.

I mean, aside from gay men, who do you think buys fireman calenders?

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@numerous cranky femSheps that surfaced in the thread.

Wow, disgruntled gamers + yy chromsome = frighteningly large walls of text.

You could criticize for gender-selection not being given as an option in RPGs, but games like Witcher and well Witcher 2 also benefited from the fact that the gender was not changeable. In fact the character wasn't customizable at all. Geralt was his own character, and the fact that he wasn't open to customizations at all, allowed the developers to delve deeper into the characterization of Geralt and provide more options without having to worry about what his female counterpart would/wouldn't do. While seemingly taking the control away from the player, it actually also gives developers more freedom to tell different stories and provide more options.

Aside from Witcher, why exactly do you guys feel that you can't have as much fun playing as a male? Is it a role-player's dilemma? (if it is, it's probably me that just 'dont get it') Or is it just the idea of not being given the choice?

Maybe it's my handicap at 'role-playing' as a character, but I personally can't ever seem to bring myself to 'role-play' as a male Shepard before getting frustrated with the limited dialogue options and a strong level of cognitive disonnance from the character having his own distinctive voice (not just literally but personality wise as well). Every ME game, I will try to make a male Shep that looks like me, and a couple hours later just delete him and wind up using the default Shepard face for an 'a**-hole Shep' playthrough (inspired by those 'Shepard is an A**hole' vids on YouTube).

I personally feel like Mass Effect games are less of an RPG than it really is just a videogame version of a 'choose your adventure' book (and probably why I don't get bored with them like I do with Bethesda games).

Shepard more or less comes premade as a character, and all you get to do is decide how he looks and which of the three given personalities/voices he/she will be. I believe what really draws you in and also what's one of the great things (or it used to be) about Bioware games, is that instead of just letting you roleplay they only really just let you choose WHAT stories are told to you and HOW they're told you (thorugh the player character, the narrative device). And until that abysmal ending, they did a damn good job at it.

And for those reasons, I can play Femsheps just fine, and perhaps even have a better time than playing a customized male shep (what's the point of customizing if you can't truly 'role play' the character?). If anything creating that obvious level of cognitive disonance between me and the player character (in that she has boobs), helps me get into the story better and enjoy Shepard as a character of her own. And the fact that I can make my female narrative device look like Rosie O'Donnell or Shirley Manson is just gravy on top.

I dunno, just a thought from the other side.

Modifié par pikey1969, 03 avril 2012 - 04:09 .


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MrGone wrote...

I know right? I wrote up a quick post on this situation a little while ago. I think they probably meant to have Jacob continue as an LI, and the pregnacy thing was only supposed to occur if you didn't romance him, sort of like if you don't romance Garrus or Tali, they hook up.

But then, I think the devs ran out of time and rushed a bunch of things towards the end. The Jacob issue is a lot smaller compared to the ending or the copypasta endings.

Seriously I think half the issues with the endings would have been overlooked if they weren't so obviously slapped together using the same assets.


I like your version.  That would have been great.  Ashley and Kaidan are both miffed if Shepard was with anyone else, but they can be swayed back.  Jacob is just done and over.

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Im surprised kaiden was made bisexual. I killed him off back at virmire, but the last time we talked about relationships, he was eying liara

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I have to ask......would it have actually been more DIFFICULT to have a reasonable Jacob arc? I mean, they hired the VA, they animated the character, they wrote dialogue for him. Why would having DIFFERENT dialogue be a lot more expensive? It just doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Same with Thane--a few different lines and it could all be fixed....

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I spend a lot of time playing RPGs, and in that time I want a character I can relate to.
I just can't relate to Geralt, at all. He is not in any way me.
I'm not saying it's an invalid format, or wrong. It's simply not a game I'm interested in, I'd rather spend time with a character I can at least feel bonded to on some level.

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MrGone wrote...

Trapper_920 wrote...

MrGone wrote...

Why wasn't Vega an LI? That really makes NO sense.

I mean I figure Beefcake Boy was almost put in BECAUSE of LI possibilities. That really makes NO sense.

Also, I've been flirting with him on my femshep on 2nd playthrough, and the sexual tension is just mounting between the two of them.

So why no mounting between the two of them?!


I admit I like his persona and I'd support a LI with Vega because of it but just curious are women really into that sort of figure?


From my experience, not every woman, but some women certainly.

I mean, aside from gay men, who do you think buys fireman calenders?


True but there is built then there is over built in my opinion. He looks like he must be so bored that lifting is his only pass time. There is nothing wrong it but I had to ask if thats really appealing. I really like his personality.